Don't believe everything you read. He won't be happy with just 2 signings in the summer
What do we still need? Post Summer 2017 edition
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I think the Fabinho ship has sailed, he'll not be interested in being double cover, I think we need a slightly younger DM who is willing to learn their trade under Matic.
I don't think Blind is very good at LB and Young's purple patch aside I'd rather we had proper competition for Shaw, LB has been a makeshift position in this side since Evra left which is ridiculous for a club our size.
Rashford could probably do with a loan, or as I said Mata could go, but either way I think we need another fresh option to bolster the attack.
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I don't believe anything I hear about our transfer plans except for what Mourinho says. He's been accurate every window so far and if he says we are planning on making two signings then two signings it will be.
Why Fabinho isn't interested? It's not like he's going to be backup only, he can be our regular right back since it was his original position. Hargreaves was a double cover as well played in midfield but also covered the right back spot. No point trying to spend a lot of money on young DM if he's not going to play, might use McTomminey as our 3rd choice.
It seems you have missed our games this season, our left back spot is probably the most secure ones at the moment as we have two left backs who have been playing very well for us, Young has pushed Shaw, while Shaw has given Young a good competition. That's why I said we can wait until another summer window, and concentrate to sign other position that we need to strengthened. Shaw 1st choice, Young 2nd choice, Blind 3rd choice.
a loan?? You got to be kidding me. You wanted us to sign a young DM to cover Matic and not getting enough games but you wanted Rashford to go on loan?
Ozil (No brainer, then we should sell Mata)
Sandro (to fight with Shaw for the LB role)
Bale/Greizmann (If we get the opportunity... quality players)
Box-to-Box CM (Vidal, Savic, etc we look terrible without Pogba)
Summer spend approx: 200m
Sell:
Mata, Darmian, and perhaps Zlatan or reduce his contract.
Sandro (to fight with Shaw for the LB role)
Bale/Greizmann (If we get the opportunity... quality players)
Box-to-Box CM (Vidal, Savic, etc we look terrible without Pogba)
Summer spend approx: 200m
Sell:
Mata, Darmian, and perhaps Zlatan or reduce his contract.
Next season i'd like to see something along the lines of this, this would be 3 signings, 1 more attacked and 2 CM's
I believe Ruben Neves, Dendoncker and Pulisic would be realistic targets, with Pulisic probably being the most expensive of the 3.
Now you can substitute Neves and Dendoncker for others if you feel like they aren't good enough but the younger, exciting talents is what we should be going for I feel, particularly as Matic's understudy.
This is as well as bringing back Pereira and TFM from loan, my lineup is also based on the idea that Carrick is retiring, Ibra won't be renewing, Fellaini will (hopefully) leave, Mata won't fit in any longer, Romero will want First Team football and we might sell Blind and Smalling.
We've got two fullbacks turning 33 this summer, and Darmian is, well, Darmian. We need one LB and one RB, unless Mourinho plans to deploy Lindelöf and/or Rojo on the flanks regularly.
I think we still need a backup MF player and a right winger. I suspect that Alexis will play of the striker, with Martial taking LW (Rashford swapping) and we could do with a proper RW player to finish off the attack. Alternatively I guess a #10 with Alexis taking RW, but I'm not sure if that would work as well.
I'd certainly buy two full-backs this summer. Valencia and Young have been great, but they aren't going to get any younger and the likes of Blind and Darmian are not good enough. I'd also bring in two midfielders and maybe a young attacking player for competition.
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He said 4 last summer, we ended up with 3
We need a top midfielder to get our front 3 at their best and free up pogba more. Play a 4-3-3, and a proper midfielder who can dictate games. Someone like Kroos or modric would be perfect, but obviously not happening, so look stylistically for someone there.
He said he wanted 4 and we went for 4, just couldn't get Inter to agree a deal for Perisic.
i think valencia young shaw and TFM coming back from loan is plenty there, 2 experienced, super pros and 2 exciting young talents.
I think we should give shaw a shot next year at being first choice.
then bring in a center mid pushing lingard to the bench and freeing up pogba. I think we will have a super first 11 then.
Darmian out. Keep Blind as cover. Basically TFM takes darmian's spot
In midfield Carrick RTD and Fellaini out. New CM to replace Carrick. Will probably need a new CM to add numbers here.
Up top we have lingard, rashford and mata as cover for front 3.
Martial ----- Lukaku ----- Sanchez
------ Pogba --------- NEW -------
-------------- Matic ----------------
Shaw -- Bailly -- Jones -- Valencia
-------------- DDG -----------------
Why Fabinho isn't interested? It's not like he's going to be backup only, he can be our regular right back since it was his original position. Hargreaves was a double cover as well played in midfield but also covered the right back spot. No point trying to spend a lot of money on young DM if he's not going to play, might use McTomminey as our 3rd choice.
It seems you have missed our games this season, our left back spot is probably the most secure ones at the moment as we have two left backs who have been playing very well for us, Young has pushed Shaw, while Shaw has given Young a good competition. That's why I said we can wait until another summer window, and concentrate to sign other position that we need to strengthened. Shaw 1st choice, Young 2nd choice, Blind 3rd choice.
a loan?? You got to be kidding me. You wanted us to sign a young DM to cover Matic and not getting enough games but you wanted Rashford to go on loan?
Fabinho isn't particularly good at RB in my opinion, he thrived when moved to the DM role, but he's at the point in his career where he'll want to be settled in his role and playing week to week, not just filling in as the back-up when first choices are rested.
I've watched every game, there's a difference between quantity and quality, we have bodies but no true quality at LB, it's why the position is constantly in flux. Also I'm not sure what position you want us to save money for and strengthen as so far bar Fabinho you've pretty much made an excuse to not sign any upgrades.
Rashford is not getting games as a striker and isn't going to get many while a 24 year old Lukaku is playing every week, it's different to being the understudy to a 30 year old DM who clearly needs a lot more rest than he's getting.
For the first team we need a CM and a RB. Valencia will be 33 at the start of next season and Darmian is crap.
Beyond that I'd sign a good young RW and another CM if Fellaini leaves.
Beyond that I'd sign a good young RW and another CM if Fellaini leaves.
Midfielder. Have to see who gets sold.
Yes your right on that, but I think in the summer he wont want just 2 players, as I think we will shift a few out one way or the other. Darmian Ibra Carrick Mata maybe Blind maybe Romario
I'd say there goes any Dybala/Pulisic/Fekir hopes.
I would love both milinkovic-savic and jorginho. Ozil on a free if zlatan leaves. And a replacement for darmien.
I think Herrera has become a better 6 than anyone we're likely to get to back up Matic, so I'd say just a CM to play next to Pogba in the 4-3-3 and a fullback or two and that's the squad for now. Might be worth starting to look at big money youth signings to try to get the next Ousmane Dembele or Mbappe, like I guess Madrid did with Vinicius.
I think we still need a bunch of players. Valencia is getting older, so we need a right back. According to the performance Shaw will have, we might need a back up left back. If you think about how dramatically our performances dropped after Pogba's injury, we might need two midfielders. Pereira's situation will play a role here.
We might need one attacker to backup both Lukaku and winger position maybe. But, I know there is no way we can buy that much in a window. Exciting times ahead.
We might need one attacker to backup both Lukaku and winger position maybe. But, I know there is no way we can buy that much in a window. Exciting times ahead.
A world class or very highly rated yooung midfielder to play alongside Pogba and Matic plus 2 new fullbacks.
We need another midfielder to start if we go 433 or as cover for Pogba. Probably need cover for Matic as well if Fellaini and Carrick both leave. I still think we need another attacker as well, someone for the right wing. I think we should let Rashford be cover for Lukaku and Martial. Definitely need a younger right back as well. So I think we still need 3-4 players although most of them will just be as cover.
So Mkhitaryan has left the club, and we've already replaced him.
In the summer we have Carrick leaving us, and there are still question marks over Fellaini renewing his contract, so a central midfielder should be considered seriously. This would also help us with playing 4-3-3.
Valencia and Young are both 32, and Darmian is linked with a move away, so at least one younger full-back would be a good move for us. With Blind and Shaw able to play left-back, i'd prefer a signing to cover right-back.
Zlatan will likely not be with us by next season, but with Lukaku a guaranteed starter and Martial, Rashford and Sanchez all able to play up top when needed, I don't think a striker is a priority for us right now.
We still have Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly and Lindelof competing for our centre-back spots, so we're fine there. There's also Blind and Tuanzebe to consider as cover. We've been pretty good defensively the last couple of seasons.
Our wing options are realistically Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mata and Sanchez. If we keep on playing with a #10, then you'd assume Mata, Sanchez and Lingard will get games there too, so a real out-and-out winger would be a good move.
Overall, i'd say we should look into getting one central midfielder, one winger, and at least one full-back. That's a realistic number of players to bring in during one summer. We'll also be losing probably at least three players in Carrick, Zlatan and Darmian, so squad size isn't an issue and we'll save a lot in terms of wages with Zlatan off the wage bill. I can see a net spend of around £150m, depending on the targets we pursue.
In the summer we have Carrick leaving us, and there are still question marks over Fellaini renewing his contract, so a central midfielder should be considered seriously. This would also help us with playing 4-3-3.
Valencia and Young are both 32, and Darmian is linked with a move away, so at least one younger full-back would be a good move for us. With Blind and Shaw able to play left-back, i'd prefer a signing to cover right-back.
Zlatan will likely not be with us by next season, but with Lukaku a guaranteed starter and Martial, Rashford and Sanchez all able to play up top when needed, I don't think a striker is a priority for us right now.
We still have Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly and Lindelof competing for our centre-back spots, so we're fine there. There's also Blind and Tuanzebe to consider as cover. We've been pretty good defensively the last couple of seasons.
Our wing options are realistically Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mata and Sanchez. If we keep on playing with a #10, then you'd assume Mata, Sanchez and Lingard will get games there too, so a real out-and-out winger would be a good move.
Overall, i'd say we should look into getting one central midfielder, one winger, and at least one full-back. That's a realistic number of players to bring in during one summer. We'll also be losing probably at least three players in Carrick, Zlatan and Darmian, so squad size isn't an issue and we'll save a lot in terms of wages with Zlatan off the wage bill. I can see a net spend of around £150m, depending on the targets we pursue.
You must be Fabinho's best friend because it sounds like you know what he wants.
I'm pretty sure I said our left backs Shaw & Young have been playing very well this season. That's not quantity, that's quality!
We still need to sign a regular right back & regular centre midfielder. With World Cup + today's market, it won't be easy & cheap to sign them.
Alexis Sanchez is 29 years old, and Rashford can't learn from him?
Yeah, we are best mates, or I just used logic, one of the two.
You said it, but that doesn't make it true, there's a reason none of them can nail down the spot, unlike Valencia on the other side who is the undisputed starter and a much more consistent performer than any of the LB options, yet you want to buy another player for that role.
Alexis and Rashford don't play the same position but that's not the point, Alexis is like Ronaldo, he's a fitness freak that wants to play every minute, Matic is the opposite, he needs resting more often and thus will be able to give his deputy more game time.
There is no logic of what you said about Fabinho seriously. You don't even give me a proof if midfield is his favourite position or he wants to settle his role as a midfielder.
So if you say something means it's true??
Young has been our regular left back this season and top 3 or 5 of our best player this season. Not sure how you can argue with that and said that he can't nail down the spot. And now that we have Shaw is being pushed by Mourinho & Young's performance and started to show improvement, I don't see why can't we just keep trusting the left back spot to Shaw & Young for at least one more season.
I want to buy another player in right back role because we only have Valencia who is good enough for that role and he's going to turn 33 years old this year. While in left back role we already have two players who have showed that they are good enough. Why can't you understand this?
Alexis has been playing on the left in Arsenal, he also can play on the right. Alexis also played as a striker most of the time last season and scored 24 league goals. And Rashford has been playing on the left & striker.
If you want someone to backup Matic and don't mind to be bench warmer, we got Herrera who actually played very well in Matic's role last season. I even shout Fabinho who is versatile & can play in two different position as well. Less money to spend & less time to do business for one player than two players, and less rotation which allow Mourinho to settle his XI.
There is no logic of what you said about Fabinho seriously. You don't even give me a proof if midfield is his favourite position or he wants to settle his role as a midfielder.
So if you say something means it's true??
Young has been our regular left back this season and top 3 or 5 of our best player this season. Not sure how you can argue with that and said that he can't nail down the spot. And now that we have Shaw is being pushed by Mourinho & Young's performance and started to show improvement, I don't see why can't we just keep trusting the left back spot to Shaw & Young for at least one more season.
I want to buy another player in right back role because we only have Valencia who is good enough for that role and he's going to turn 33 years old this year. While in left back role we already have two players who have showed that they are good enough. Why can't you understand this?
Alexis has been playing on the left in Arsenal, he also can play on the right. Alexis also played as a striker most of the time last season and scored 24 league goals. And Rashford has been playing on the left & striker.
If you want someone to backup Matic and don't mind to be bench warmer, we got Herrera who actually played very well in Matic's role last season. I even shout Fabinho who is versatile & can play in two different position as well. Less money to spend & less time to do business for one player than two players, and less rotation which allow Mourinho to settle his XI.
He's been playing regularly as a DM for Monaco for a reason, and he isn't coming to any club to play ping pong between two roles at this stage of his career, he's not a squad player and wouldn't settle for that, it's just simple logic, he's in the stage of his career where he will want to be starting every week in a settled role, as is normal for any player at the point he is at, in his career.
Your view of Young at LB is yours, I'll just say I respect your right to the view but disagree, I feel he had a purple patch of a few good games and that is it, he's also about to be 33 and can barely cross with his left foot which hampers Martial as he cuts into his space all of the time, meanwhile Shaw has had a handful of decent games but has yet to play blinders or to prove any long term fitness. Now Valencia on the other hand has been a consistently strong starter for us in his position for 4 seasons now, and we have TFM and Lindelof who can play at RB as cover just as easily as you want to keep using a 33 year old right footed winger as one of our main LB options, both fullbacks posiitons need upgrading, the difference is we have a top class proven player at RB where at LB we are constantly rotating 3 players that have not proven capable of locking down the spot.
Alexis can play in multiple posiitons but over his career he has predomineatnly played in the wide areas, however that wasn't my point, I was saying he likes to play every game so Rashford isn't going to be able to understudy him and get the games, on the flipside Rashford also struggles as a wide player as he is a striker being shoehorned in to a role, he would be better off getting a full season on loan where he could play as a striker every single week in the PL.
We need to be grooming Matic's replacement in that role, not just using a lackluster Herrera who is clearly well out of favour with Jose and better as a #8, I've already explained why Fabinho wont work, we need a player around the 20 mark to learn the role under Matic.
Thiago/ pjanic/Verratti /Kovacic + Dybala /marhez should be our priority.
With any of these two we will have a great starting eleven with many options.
With any of these two we will have a great starting eleven with many options.
If we signed Thiago, I’d expect to see us sign Vidal, Gaitan and Sneijder too.
Lol, we signed Sanchez, so you never know mate.
Based on Jose's comments we're going to go big in midfield in the summer, he spoke about needing a CM and if Carrick retires us then needing 2, if Fellaini goes as well could that mean 3? LB needs to be looked at as well
Formation plays a big part as well, if Jose persists with 4-2-3-1 then we still lack a top class number 10, less of an issue if he goes to a 4-3-3 though as it gives Pogba the license to attack more
Formation plays a big part as well, if Jose persists with 4-2-3-1 then we still lack a top class number 10, less of an issue if he goes to a 4-3-3 though as it gives Pogba the license to attack more
That doesn't give a reason why he doesn't want to play in two position both right back and midfield. He spent most of his career as a right back & he was originally a right back, he only played as a midfielder in 1.5 season. He plays in midfield because Monaco already has Djibril Sidibe who is good enough as a right back spot. And Monaco doesn't have anyone good to play in DM. Remember! We were strongly linked with him not long ago (two seasons ago) to play as a right back. It's not a simple logic.
The logic is players want to move from AS Monaco to Manchester United so they can play in highest level to compete in highest competition, improve as a player and fight for his spot. Take a look Benardo Silva now, he knows he won't be guarantee starter in City but he still choose City because he wants to play in highest level, improve as a player and fight for his spot.
It's not just my view, a lot of people in this forum are also saying the same thing about Young's performance this season.
He's about to turn 33 and that's why I said we can wait to next summer, and focus this summer on other position. You are being so unrealistic if you think we can sign 5 players in one window especially with a lot of players are going to be busy with World Cup.
It doesn't matter if Young is a right foot, the main point is he's been very effective of what he's been doing this season as a left back and we all know it's not a problem and also his assist for Smalling goal this season was a left foot cross. Denis Irwin is a right foot but he plays as a left back as well. I don't know why this "right foot" plays as a left back is a problem.
So just because a player like TFM has had a handful of decent games as a right back for Palace after 8 games & player like Lindelof only played twice as a right back, you think they are good enough to cover Valencia who is already 33 years old but you don't think Shaw & Young is good enough to cover our left back spot? Both Young & Shaw pretty much lock down the left back spot right now, Young has been very good this season & Shaw has received a very positive praise from Mourinho. While we only have Valencia on the right!! Ironically, when Valencia is injured we lost 1 game and drew 3 games in a row out of 4 games. It shows that we need another right back not another left back.
Everyone likes to play every game not just Sanchez. We got Martial Lukaku Sanchez up front, doesn't mean none of these three players don't need rest or won't get injury at all. And you want Rashford to leave on loan so he can get more playing time and don't him to learn from player like Sanchez. But you want to sign a new young DM so he can sit on the bench & learn something from Matic.
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We will keep Mata and Ander just to make De Gea happy.
This is one of the reasons why I don't want to sell Mata and Herrera which mean Ge Dea will be leaving for Spain, I hope we can add another Spanish player to keep De Gea company in crappy weather Manchester.
I imagine Bernardo Silva expected to be starting over Raheem Sterling who was bang average last season, but it's not worked out for him. There's a difference between that and coming in as purely a rotation player as neither Matic or Valencia are losing their spots, they are Jose's main guys along with Pogba and Lukaku.
No, I never said, read back, I quoted what Jose said about only 2 in the summer and pointed out we are 5 players short of what the squad needs in upgrades, I have never once said we'd sign 5, I believe what Mourinho said, I was simply going over the weaknesses in the squad and posed the question of outside a top #8, which other position should we buy for in the summer.
It matters because Young constantly cuts into Martial's space, look at the game against Burnley, all of the time cutting into the area Martial does his work in because he doesn't want to go down the outside and onto his left, regardless of one assist from his left foot. As for Irwin, he was two footed.
Lindelof has played a lot more games at RB than the two he played here and Shaw and Young have not come remotely close to the level of performance and consistency Valencia has in his spot, so no I don't think either are good enough to be the starter, if anything have Young cover Tony for one season and get in another proper LB to compete with Shaw.
Everyone likes to play every game not just Sanchez. We got Martial Lukaku Sanchez up front, doesn't mean none of these three players don't need rest or won't get injury at all. And you want Rashford to leave on loan so he can get more playing time and don't him to learn from player like Sanchez. But you want to sign a new young DM so he can sit on the bench & learn something from Matic.
Again, no, take a look at how many games Pogba, Matic and Lukaku rest for under Jose, then add Sanchez to the list, you learn from players on the training pitch but you still need actual game time, unlike Sanchez Matic is clearly a player that needs a lot more rest, thus the DM would get a lot more games as understudy than Rashford will as he's going to get very few starts over Lukaku and Sanchez who will play nearly every league game for starters. Send Rashford on loan and bring in another proper wide attacker, then bring him back the season after when Mata will likely be off.
Well, this won't end if I keep replying with something that you disagree. Say whatever you want mate. But at the end of the day it's up to Mourinho.
Mourinho seems to rate highly Young & Shaw now as our left back. I can't see us signing a new left back after the performance they have showed this season unless if Young refuse a new contract.
Rashford will get plenty of game times if he stays, he's good enough to fight his spot and Mourinho thinks Sanchez will be benefit for our young players which include Rashford obviously and I don't see it benefit for our club to sign a new attacker and let him go on loan.
Just think about what happen if Rashford comes back on loan, what are we going to do with that "new attacker" then? Sell him after one season?? or let Rashford go on loan again and messing up his mind and confidence to play for United.
There is difference between players who aren't good enough to fight for his spot so he has to go on loan with player who is good enough to fight for his spot and stay. Rashford is clearly good enough to fight for his spot.
Think the only position we're absolutely crying out for is CM, we're one player short of a really good team IMO. We need someone as capable as Pogba in terms of being an all-action CM, I'd put as much of our transfer budget into that if we could.
Sanchez saves us a big headache for summer for RW, Shaw/Young have solved a problem at LB. Valencia is still good enough for another season, I think we'll bring back and assess TFM next season and see if he's good enough to take over Valencia, if not the summer after we might be in the market for a RB. I aslo wouldn't mind seeing us dip into the market for a back up striker with us probably losing Ibrahimovic.
Also, while I don't think he'll leave this summer we should start planning for life without DDG. We're in a much healthier position now to lose him than we were under LvG. I'd start sending out feelers for Oblak personally if PSG/Chelsea et al haven't already got there first. I think that might end up being an issue for the summer after though.
Sanchez saves us a big headache for summer for RW, Shaw/Young have solved a problem at LB. Valencia is still good enough for another season, I think we'll bring back and assess TFM next season and see if he's good enough to take over Valencia, if not the summer after we might be in the market for a RB. I aslo wouldn't mind seeing us dip into the market for a back up striker with us probably losing Ibrahimovic.
Also, while I don't think he'll leave this summer we should start planning for life without DDG. We're in a much healthier position now to lose him than we were under LvG. I'd start sending out feelers for Oblak personally if PSG/Chelsea et al haven't already got there first. I think that might end up being an issue for the summer after though.
I honestly dont think we need too much now that alexis has signed. We've probably saved 100m by buying him on a free this winter as we would have pursued bale or greizemann over the summer. Never fancied both of them and I dislike greizemanns attitude regarding Manchester. Think he would have been an expensive flop. Dont want Bale either. Dont get the impression madrid would push him out or that hes desperate to come. With benzema and Ronaldo likely to leave Real hes likely to stay. However, we desperately need another high quality first choice central midfielder. One with creativity and an engine. I think thats a priority. Second priority is a left back. Tony v is a machine at right back and hes got at least another year in him so right back can wait. A pacey right winger would be a bonus.