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What do we still need? Post Summer 2016 edition
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I know he wasn't the most popular here but I watched the 2009/10 and 10/11 season reviews the other day and I think this side is screaming out for a player like Nani. Stays wide, can beat a man on the outside and deliver a cross or cuts inside and shoots. We are a bit predictable to defend against at the moment
Similar to Nani he also can be very frustrating. He's improved this season and in the last two big games, he actually tried to make something happen for his team, unlike before when he was regularly nowhere to be found, when they played against the best teams in Italy. In terms of defensive contribution he's probably Jose's wet dream of a winger.
Manolas
Aurier or Semedo
Mendy
Weigl
Saul
Lemar
------------DeGea------------
Aurier---Bailly---Manolas----Mendy
--------------Weigl-----------------
-------Saul-------------Pogba------
Mhki----------Martial-----------Lemar
Good list, but I doubt that we'll sign 6 players/starters.
Not starters I agree but I could see 6 players in total being signed.
We'll probably need 6, I just don't think it's going to happen in one summer.
Is there such thing as a player that can boss the midfield like Carrick but with the strength, physicality and tough tackling of a DM?
You mean a bit like Kante for Leicester?
We did it in LvG's first season but I imagine you'll be right. I just think CB, RB, 2 CM's and a Striker are needed, and that's before we even see what happens with Shaw and Martial.
Hopefully nothing other than them improving and becoming a factor again.
Currently I'd probably prefer a winger to a striker, but a lot can change between now and the summer.
Edit: I agree with the need for a RB, CB, 2 CMs and an attacking player. What would you think, if we bought Andre Silva and loaned him for a season to a Spanish club?
Manolas: No, Serie A defender, high risk of failing, only makes sense for a small price
Aurier or Semedo: No need as long as Valencia plays like this
Mendy. Which one?
Weigl: to soon
Saul: wouln't say no
Lemar: rather get Griezmann, and then we are well stacked attacking-wise
we shouldn't get more then 2, 3 at max for our starting 11. About time for some continuity, our squad is more then good enough finally.
Griezmann seems a done deal, and a player who can replace Carrick. Would be fine if we make no other transfers in the summer. If some (upcoming) world star from central defense might become available, then fine. But just buying one for the sake of it is nonsense, we are pretty well positioned there now, Phil finally being fit.
You can see what happens, when you splash the cash for "star defenders" from other leagues. Just look at City.
I hope so as well but I get the feeling one of them wont be here at the start of next season.
Yeah, I respect that you and I see the striker situation differently, personally I'd buy Silva and keep him in the squad because I think we are already overplaying Zlatan due to Jose not fancying the other #9 options, so to go into another season expecting 50+ games out of a 36 year old would be a big issue IMO.
Just on the bolded 2, we have zero cover for Valencia and he'll be 32 at the start of next season, we should be getting in his replacement this summer to be his understudy for a season and acclimatize to the club, league and to the conutry IMO. I also think Weigl is ready to step in and be the Carrick replacement we need.
On the CB front I'd also expect to see Bailly's partner brought in so we have Bailly/New CB as the starters and Jones/Rojo as the back-ups.
Kante is well overrated yes he's a good player but bossing midfields???
Suggest someone else then that fits the description:
I agree, was just thinking whether it would make sense.
Not everyone that plays in Italy is going to have a hard time adapting to the English league. Manolas has shown on CL level that he's more than good enough. I think @Jib meant Mendy from Monaco.
Kante hasn't got the passing range of Carrick but he is fantastic
so mobile, strong in the tackle and a good passer.....Chelsea haven't missed a playmaker - Kante gets the ball and feeds the creative players in front
wish we had signed him - He'd improve any squad in the world IMO
N'Zonzi
What's Moussa Dembele's contract like at Spurs? Would be a nice upgrade on Herrera.
If not him then Saul.
Griezmann
What's Moussa Dembele's contract like at Spurs? Would be a nice upgrade on Herrera.
If not him then Saul.
Griezmann
After the last 3 games there's been quite a few mentions that the team looks tired and people talking about squad rotation. The thing is Jose is rotating the fullbacks and wide attackers, and even though you don't usually tamper with your CB's he's had to rotate them as well. The problem is the engine room is tired as one is 35 and Herrera has no proper cover for his specific role in the 3, and the other issue is that Jose doesn't fancy anyone else in the squad at #9 so we are really overplaying a 35 year old striker.
Also while we have been rotating the fullbacks pretty well the big problem is the huge drop off in quality at RB when Valencia is rested, and at LB we need Shaw to deliver on his potential as neither Blind or Darmian are good enough, and I'd like to see Jose give CBJ a chance to be his back-up.
For me in the summer the priority should be these positions;
A #6 and if TFM isn't getting a chance another #8 as Ander looks shattered as he's got no quality cover.
A #9 That can share the role with Ibra and be ready to take over the following season.
A CB that can actually pass the fecking ball and is up to the level of Bailly, with Jones and Rojo as the back-ups.
A young RB with the same idea as the #9 position.
Also while we have been rotating the fullbacks pretty well the big problem is the huge drop off in quality at RB when Valencia is rested, and at LB we need Shaw to deliver on his potential as neither Blind or Darmian are good enough, and I'd like to see Jose give CBJ a chance to be his back-up.
For me in the summer the priority should be these positions;
A #6 and if TFM isn't getting a chance another #8 as Ander looks shattered as he's got no quality cover.
A #9 That can share the role with Ibra and be ready to take over the following season.
A CB that can actually pass the fecking ball and is up to the level of Bailly, with Jones and Rojo as the back-ups.
A young RB with the same idea as the #9 position.
#numbers
I think we won't be any successful as long as we overhaul half our squad every season.
While we are probably 3 or 4 players short to rival for the CL, our squad now is more then good enough to win the Prem, definitely better then the Chelsea one. Some consistency is strongly needed, visible in every game...a huge bunch of lone fighters that barely pass to each other (and if, mostly way to slow, because there are no automatisms)
While we are probably 3 or 4 players short to rival for the CL, our squad now is more then good enough to win the Prem, definitely better then the Chelsea one. Some consistency is strongly needed, visible in every game...a huge bunch of lone fighters that barely pass to each other (and if, mostly way to slow, because there are no automatisms)
I know it can be difficult but I'm quite surprised we aren't signing a couple of players this window.
I wouldn't want to see us having to bed in too many players after the summer and, of course, it takes a bit of work to complete each transfer so we don't want to leave ourselves too much to do.
I wouldn't want to see us having to bed in too many players after the summer and, of course, it takes a bit of work to complete each transfer so we don't want to leave ourselves too much to do.
How is our squad more than good enough to win the league when we're in 6th and have a significantly inferior goal difference? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Of course it makes sense. It's by far not all about the players in football, i thought by 2017 that's common sense. We are not talking about baseball here, where a bloody algorithm can predict 99% of the games
We must sign a DM that can link the back to the front (Carrick Replacement). I would also like a ball playing CB to partner Bailly. Im worried at how panicky Smalling and Jones look at times but they are still good CB's imo. If Shaw gets back to his best then we are ok at full back for another year imo. Attacking wise we have, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Rashford, Rooney and Zlatan for possibly three positions which is plenty although I don't think many would be too annoyed with the purchase of Griezmann .
I would like to see more of the younger players given a chance as well. Fosu-Mensah and Pereira are two that seem like they are very close to being ready for a prolonged involvement in the first team while hopefully a few of the others get a few appearances (Tuanzebe, Williams etc)
.I would like to see more of the younger players given a chance as well. Fosu-Mensah and Pereira are two that seem like they are very close to being ready for a prolonged involvement in the first team while hopefully a few of the others get a few appearances (Tuanzebe, Williams etc)
From an outsiders perspective I feel you need one holding midfielder, one centre back and fix your left back situation.
I don't think you need a 'like for like' replacement for Carrick. There are many roads leading to Rome, and a deep lying playmaker may not be necessary. I do, however, think you need a player who can provide stability to your midfield and be comfortable receiving the ball under pressure.
A good talking centre back who can help organise your back four. Maybe I'm wrong here, but who in your defense are taking responsibility and keep players on their toes? As good as De Gea is, I don't think he is the type to do this either.
As much money as United have spent on Line Shaw it's weird that he hasn't been given more time. I know he has been coming off an injury, but it's not like he got good players ahead of him. So if Mourinho trusted him I would have thought he would be given a chance or two. Perhaps it's an attitude problem in training. Whatever happens, the position needs to be addressed somehow.
Regarding your front line. You have spent a ridiculous amount of money on it, and I don't think you need more players. You don't need to throw money at Griezmann just because you want a new toy. So many keep talking about the 'world class' potential of Martial and Rashford etc. And whilst I don't buy the hype, one is a young player you spent massively to get, another a promising academy product. Time for Mourinho to show he can create a system for these players to work in, instead of spending big on the next worldbeater.
Just my thoughts.
I don't think you need a 'like for like' replacement for Carrick. There are many roads leading to Rome, and a deep lying playmaker may not be necessary. I do, however, think you need a player who can provide stability to your midfield and be comfortable receiving the ball under pressure.
A good talking centre back who can help organise your back four. Maybe I'm wrong here, but who in your defense are taking responsibility and keep players on their toes? As good as De Gea is, I don't think he is the type to do this either.
As much money as United have spent on Line Shaw it's weird that he hasn't been given more time. I know he has been coming off an injury, but it's not like he got good players ahead of him. So if Mourinho trusted him I would have thought he would be given a chance or two. Perhaps it's an attitude problem in training. Whatever happens, the position needs to be addressed somehow.
Regarding your front line. You have spent a ridiculous amount of money on it, and I don't think you need more players. You don't need to throw money at Griezmann just because you want a new toy. So many keep talking about the 'world class' potential of Martial and Rashford etc. And whilst I don't buy the hype, one is a young player you spent massively to get, another a promising academy product. Time for Mourinho to show he can create a system for these players to work in, instead of spending big on the next worldbeater.
Just my thoughts.
I don't believe Jose will get enough in this summer to challenge for the title. He's not elevating the play of our numerous lesser players like a Klopp or Conte are doing. Which to me means that those lesser players will be replaced with expensive and experienced players by him. He will effectively look to buy the title, and I doubt that happens this summer.
And if he's going for the title in year 3 that will mean replacing Ibra his most important player in years 1 and 2.
We belong in 6th right now no matter what anyone says, and that reflects the players and manager we currently have.
And if he's going for the title in year 3 that will mean replacing Ibra his most important player in years 1 and 2.
We belong in 6th right now no matter what anyone says, and that reflects the players and manager we currently have.
We need an attacking left back, to compete and push Shaw. We need another anchor in the middle of the park to compete with Carrick and I think we will need another forward in the squad to replace Rooney.
Most of all we need bigger contributions from Bailey, Micky, Marshal and Shaw over the 2nd half of the season and next. They're all very talented and if any of them could hit form and avoid injury they would be as good as any signing we could make for their spots.
Most of all we need bigger contributions from Bailey, Micky, Marshal and Shaw over the 2nd half of the season and next. They're all very talented and if any of them could hit form and avoid injury they would be as good as any signing we could make for their spots.
I would sign Andy Carroll
It could be useful, when we are losing a game, it's simply:
Put upfront Carroll, Fellaini, Smalling and Ibra
Play long
And you win the game
It could be useful, when we are losing a game, it's simply:
Put upfront Carroll, Fellaini, Smalling and Ibra
Play long
And you win the game
4 things for me.
We will probably make a marquee signing in the summer. I hope that will be Griezmann.
I'd also pay big money for Saul. Herrera Pogba Saul in the middle would be
Full back seems to be a bit of a problem. I'd keep going with Shaw but I'd definitely buy Seamus Coleman. Him at right back would improve us immensely. Valencia as backup would be great.
A hald back. A proper world class top quality centre half.
We will probably make a marquee signing in the summer. I hope that will be Griezmann.
I'd also pay big money for Saul. Herrera Pogba Saul in the middle would be
Full back seems to be a bit of a problem. I'd keep going with Shaw but I'd definitely buy Seamus Coleman. Him at right back would improve us immensely. Valencia as backup would be great.
A hald back. A proper world class top quality centre half.
I prefer Valencia to Coleman.
A proper winger would be good I think.
A proper winger would be good I think.
DDG
Valencia - Bailly - Rojo - Shaw/New LB
Carrick's replacement - Pogba
Mkhytaryan/Mata - Griezmann - Martial
Zlatan
In a big game we can play 433, play Herrera and drop Mkhytaryan/Mata
Problem solved with this may be??
May be a world class centre back will do even better but I don't think there is a world class centre back available out there.
Valencia - Bailly - Rojo - Shaw/New LB
Carrick's replacement - Pogba
Mkhytaryan/Mata - Griezmann - Martial
Zlatan
In a big game we can play 433, play Herrera and drop Mkhytaryan/Mata
Problem solved with this may be??
May be a world class centre back will do even better but I don't think there is a world class centre back available out there.
Maybe we should start asking who do we need post Summer 2017. Griezmann will come in and sort out the No. 10 position this summer (presumably) but Ibra has only one season left after this one. The big signing in 2018 will probably be a striker. I think we should go for someone who has both strength and pace as well as being good in the air, players similar to Diego Costa and Benzema.
If the Griezmann deal is as done as these French reports say it is then it will be very interesting to see where we go with the midfield.
This player needs to come in this summer as well, we can't go into next season with a 36 year old striker as the only #9 Jose actualy wants to use in the role. Whether it's Silva, Belotti or even a younger guy like Dolberg, they'd all benefit from sharing the role for one season while they get used to the club and the league.
This player needs to come in this summer as well, we can't go into next season with a 36 year old striker as the only #9 Jose actualy wants to use in the role. Whether it's Silva, Belotti or even a younger guy like Dolberg, they'd all benefit from sharing the role for one season while they get used to the club and the league.
How about Lukaku? Likely easy to get being a Raiola client, on good terms with Pogba and Griezmann and proven in the league.
I think we still lack quite a lot.
If Shaw can't stay fit we need an attacking-minded left back.
We need a Carrick replacement. Someone that can spread the ball.
We could do with another Herrera type player (Bakayoko would be alright I guess).
We need an out and out striker to replace Ibra.
We need a worldclass winger or wide forward (Griezmann will do).
That's still quite a lot tbh. Unbelievable we are still so short in CM after all those years and after spending a shit ton of money.
If Shaw can't stay fit we need an attacking-minded left back.
We need a Carrick replacement. Someone that can spread the ball.
We could do with another Herrera type player (Bakayoko would be alright I guess).
We need an out and out striker to replace Ibra.
We need a worldclass winger or wide forward (Griezmann will do).
That's still quite a lot tbh. Unbelievable we are still so short in CM after all those years and after spending a shit ton of money.
If there's truth in the Griezmann and Semedo news in the last 24 hours that would be a cracking start to the transfer window.
CB - van Dijk/Lindelof
RB - Semedo
#6 - Weigl/Paredes/Fabinho
FW - Griezmann
#9 - Silva/Belotti/Dolberg
CB - van Dijk/Lindelof
RB - Semedo
#6 - Weigl/Paredes/Fabinho
FW - Griezmann
#9 - Silva/Belotti/Dolberg
What concerns me about signing Griezmann is that Mata, Rooney, Miki all play there best in the number 10 role, and when you play them out wide we lack width and pace.
Griezmann is a great player, but if we sign him we need to add some pace around him. Can you play Mata, Griezmann and a striker in the one side ??
Jose likes his number 10 to push back, will Griezmann do that enough.
Mata would likely be on the bench most of the time, and Griezmann has tremendous tracking back and overall workrate, he wouldn't have succeeded under Simeone if he didn't.
@M4nu4Life
I don't think Mata is trusted as the No. 10, Mkhitaryan seems like a good winger to me and I would be okay with Rooney leaving (Griezmann is much better than Rooney now).
I don't think Mata is trusted as the No. 10, Mkhitaryan seems like a good winger to me and I would be okay with Rooney leaving (Griezmann is much better than Rooney now).
I think we need a goal threat from out wide. Someone like Sanchez would be perfect.
A left back if Mourinho doesn't fancy Shaw.
A holding midfielder and another box-to-box midfielder.
Along with another goal threat(preferably a striker). If Griezmann is coming, then that's 1 box ticked.
A left back if Mourinho doesn't fancy Shaw.
A holding midfielder and another box-to-box midfielder.
Along with another goal threat(preferably a striker). If Griezmann is coming, then that's 1 box ticked.
Defensive mid
Centre back
Winger
Striker
Centre back
Winger
Striker