What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

Gyökeres: too expensive for his age.

Osimhen: also expensive and on high wages.

Joao Pedro: PL proven and only 23. Should be our top target if Brighton sell at 65m, which they might not.
 
Left surely. Lazio either have an obligation to buy or an option that they will certainly trigger so we would have to convince the player, but if we can it could be a cheap way to get another natural left-sided option who is a powerful runner both on and off the ball. You can see why he didn't get a look in at Arsenal as he is just a completely different kind of player to those Arteta has been using at left back.
I reckon he's talented enough to be dangerous on either side. If we could nick him it would he a great deal. He's creating loads of assists this season and has serious technical ability.
 
5 players: A CB, a CM, a LWB, an AM, and a Striker.
Players: Branthwaite, Ederson, Alt-Nouri, Cunha, Osimhen.
Explanation below: (long as feck).

(a) The Young Players:
The fanbase is so quick to criticise many of our players and want to rip this squad to shreds, but the truth is that the squad is down to the bare bones now, between injuries and outgoings. Most of the players that come in for heavy criticism are pretty young. People state their "problems" as though they are permanent issues, rather than just be flaws in the games of players who are still developing. Lets quickly look at the young talent in this squad that is already ready to make a big contribution, and have significant scope to improve:

Heaven (18), Yoro (19), Dorgu (20), Mainoo (19), Collyer (21), Hojlund (22), Zirkzee (23), Amad (22), Garnacho (20), and Ugarte (23).

That is a really fantastic group of young players, all of whom should end up playing significant parts in this squad for years to come. Some, such as Yoro, Dorgu, Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho, could become some of the best players in the league in their positions. Heaven looks a really exciting prospect, although it's too early to tell, Collyer has reliable squad player written all over him. Zirkzee is a real x-factor, as he could quickly become great, or he might amount to just being a decent squad player (I love his skill set and attitude). Hojlund has a lot of tools but is still raw and needs another season or so before we really judge, and Ugarte looks really strong all round. Not sure if he'll be undisputed first choice, but he has a lot of tools and will be an important player. Whatever your opinion on each of them, the specific don't matter too much at this stage, they are all young - and in several cases VERY young, and they should be allowed time to develop and mature accordingly. It's pretty crazy to be relying on players this young to deliver week in, week out.

(b) The Prime Players. Standard Bearers.....
So this next block of our squad, players in their prime years who should carry the responsibility, and help bring the young stars along, and help this develop into a willing team, are the following:

Mazraoui (27), De Ligt (25), Martinez (27), Dalot (25), Shaw (29), Mount (26), Fernandes (30), Rashford (27), Antony (25), Sancho (24).

This block of players in their prime are supposed to be the standard by which the rest of the squad is set. They are the benchmark. The level young players aspire to get to. The players that drive our biggest results and performances. Very, very quickly we can see that this is our problem right here. Of this list, only Mazraoui, De Ligt, Dalot and Fernandes, 4 of 10 players in their prime, are either fit or even at the club. And with the greatest respect to Mazraoui and Dalot, they are two players who I consider to be good, and very important squad players; but not two players which are going to be torchbearers for incredibly high performance levels. Their attitudes and contributions are first rate, but in an ideal world they would be rotational squad players. De Ligt is still finding his feet, but emerging as a genuine leader of the team and top level performer, and Bruno is well Bruno.....everything that is still great about this club. He is THE standard. Really the only one.

Martinez, Shaw and Mount are permanently injured. Rashford, Sancho and Antony are all out on loan.

It therefore is VERY clear to me that this summer, while we will I am sure bring in one or two players 23 or under, to continue to focus on developing stars (rather than buying them), that the club simply has to invest in 2-3 players in or entering their prime, who can really raise the standard of the whole team and perform immediately. We simply cannot fairly rely on a team of kids without any experienced leaders and performers in it, except for De Ligt (who is new too), and Bruno. That's the heart of the malaise here.

(c) The (not so) Golden Oldies.....
Of course we have other, older players who all need to move on in all probability. Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans, Maguire, and Lindelof. Players commanding too much in wages for the relative value of their performances. But the loss of their experience will certainly have to be replaced by players in that 24-27 age bracket.

With all that said, what would I like to see, and why?

I am going to assume that all of the following will leave this summer: Lindelof, Malacia, Maguire, Evans, Eriksen, Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, and Sancho. That's 9 first team players. In all probability we should likely add Shaw and Mount to that list. But I think they will be kept for (a) their versatility, (b) difficulty in shifting them on their wages and injury records, and (c) their homegrown status. However, if all those players go out, we will presumably have a decent amount to spend. In that case I would want to see:

1. A versatile, modern centre-back, who is physically imposing. I would rather sign one very good CB, than two average ones. My outstanding candidate for this role is Jarrad Branthwaite. I like that he is PL proven, I like that he is extremely two footed and can play all along the back line, I like he is physically imposing and good on the ball, and I like that he brings good recovery pace to our options. He's on the young side, but already has a lot of top level experience. Can see him costing 60m or so, but at 22 and one of the outstanding english defensive talents out there, I think it'd be an excellent investment. For me, we would then have Yoro, De Ligt and Branthwaite as three outstanding CBs, along with Heaven as a huge prospect, Mazraoui as a very capable deputy, Martinez as a great leader (but no longer first choice), and maybe one month a year....Shaw.

2. We need a mobile, physically durable, tireless, and technical midfielder. No small order there. The player that ticks all the boxes for me, is Ederson from Atalanta. At 25 years old he is player in the prime of his career, with tons of experience and his best years ahead of him. He ticks every box on the profile sheet. He great and breaking up play, runs endlessly, is great carrying the ball, and is technical and a threat going forwards when he wants to be. He would be a perfect partner to Ugarte while Mainoo develops and is third choice and rotation for the role. Imagine he would cost around 50m, but be a superb signing for us.

3. We need another wingback. Someone physically robust, energetic, with pace, who can get up and down the flank. I would preferably like a left footer. On the left we have Dorgu. On the right next season, I think we should play Amad. The combination of Dorgu and Amad in the wide positions is mouth watering to me. Both very different, but both capable of running from deep with the ball and moving us up the field. Both with considerable threat going forwards, in different ways. Amad is superb receiving the ball under pressure and would be essential in the build up phase. If Amad is out, you resort to Dalot. A natural right footer on the right, it's a different option. More defensively robust, but still a solid option going forwards. Dalot is much better on the right than on the left. On the left, after Dorgu, we have no one. Unless it Dalot, and I already covered that. You could saw Shaw....never fit, or Mazraoui (I now see him as a CB in our system), so we need a left wingback, otherwise Dorgu will have to play 65 games. Milos Kerkez is a name I was talking about a year ago, and seems to be coming back into vogue. He's a player I like very much. And seeing as Dorgu is likely first choice, I am not sure it is necessary to buy an experienced understudy here. Kerkez has the quality to compete with Dorgu. One can also look at players like Theo Hernandez, Balde, Nuno Mendes, but these all seem unattainable to me, so the other serious option would probably be Rayan Alt-Nouri, who is almost unbelievably still only 23 and ticks all the boxes.

4. Lets be frank, we simply need a goalscoring striker. Bruno is our main source of goals. Next season I imagine we'll see him mostly as a 10, but also playing plenty of games as a CM. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see us go into the season with Ugarte, Ederson, Mainoo, Bruno, and Collyer as our first choice CMs, with the numbers supplemented with players from the academy (maybe Kone?). But even if we sign a second CM and Bruno is purely a 10, there just aren't enough goals in this team. We lack that killer instinct. We have some terrific approach players, in Bruno, Zirkzee, Garnacho, and maybe even Mount....we also have Amad who we can play there (but I see as being our RWB), but our only true striker is Hojlund. And all due respect to Rasmus but he is too young and too raw to take on that mantle at United just yet. The pressure is making him wilt. Even in one striker systems, you need to have two reliable strikers. So, we are looking for movement, pace, willingness to make the runs in behind, and above all....a killer instinct. A natural goalscorer. The outstanding candidate is surely Victor Osimhen. He's 26, scores goals for fun. Bags of pace. A real threat in behind. A striker in his prime years, with most of his best ones ahead of him, and available for what is a comparatively reasonable fee. Other candidates? Lautaro Martinez (too expensive), Gyokeres (just not sure about him at the highest level, especially for the price), or maybe someone with a slightly lesser profile in Victor Boniface. But my money is on Osimhen.


5. Okay, so is that it? No....We are one player light at the least. We either need to sign another CM and leave Bruno to play AM full time, or sign another AM and let Bruno be an option for both roles. My money is on the latter, because I think Bruno will naturally go further back the pitch anyway as he gets older. So another AM it is. Something I think is necessary especially if we play Amad RWB. Well, the player I want is Matheus Cunha. Pace, Power, Dribbling, the full package really. Not a prolific scorer, but a consummate team player and really brings absolutely everything we lack. If we couldn't get him, it gets a bit dicier. I wouldn't be averse to a Dibbling for a reasonable fee. He doesn't come straight into the team but he does add something new, and is a bright English talent.


"Just" five signings, but signings that I think would transform this team and squad. Supplement it with a couple of under the radar gems for cheap fees, and a couple from the academy, and I suddenly start feeling good about next season:

Onana/Bayindir

Yoro, De Ligt, Branthwaite / Mazraoui, Heaven, Martinez, / Shaw

Amad, Ederson, Ugarte, Dorgu / Dalot, Bruno, Mainoo, Alt-Nouri / Collyer, Amass

Cunha, Bruno / Garnacho, Zirkzee / Mount

Osimhen / Hojlund / Obi

Out: Evans, Malacia, Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen, Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, Sancho.
In: Branthwaite, Ederson, Alt-Nouri, Cunha, Osimhen

This squad has pace, power, technical ability, stamina, phsyicality, height. All positions are well covered. It's balanced. And I think it would be ultra competitive in every game. The would be a dangerous team going forwards, but very resilient in defence. The age profile on that squad is unbelievably good.

If you look at the numbers, what it would cost to bring those players in, versus what we can get for the players we sell, and the savings on wages for some of the highest earners - plus how report profits to PSR on sales vs acquisitions being amortised.....it's easily doable financially. My final point is that I would much, much, much rather sign the right five players, then make the budget go further and sign 7-8 players. That just doesn't work. Too much gambling and half measures. Every single one of the signings I've suggested is there or thereabouts the best player we can get for each position, that isn't completely unrealistic. They are all also young. The oldest is Osimhen at 26.
While the reasoning of your post is extremely sound, the big issue is even if we get CL football, we have major financial constraints mostly because we still have to pay £93m in the summer for players that might not be here. We do not have major PSR issues but we do have major cashflow and capital issues, which means we can not compete this summer with any of the big clubs for Marquee Players like ;

Branthwaite - Valued at £70m
R Alt Nouri - Valued at £45-50m
Ederson - Valued at £50-60m
M Cunha - Buy out £62m
V Osimhen - Buy out £64m

That’s a total of £290-315m, Never Ever going to happen and we won’t keep Hojlund if we buy Osimhen. I can see that deal happening but here’s the problem, both Cunha and Osimhen contracts have a buy out clause which means that we can’t negotiate on terms, we have to pay £125m for both plus huge Agent fees of another £15m so that’s £140m upfront.

Then try and negotiate £175-180m on another 3/4 years payment terms so £50m cash needed plus £20m for Agent fees that’s another £70m needed.

We simply don’t have £200m of cash to do that and even if we sell players for £100-150m, we will probably only get £40-50m at most with the rest in instalment payments.

We will be looking for cheap players like Hayden Hackney and Tyler Dibling where we can pay low upfront fees and low instalment fees. I think they will try to do one marquee signing like Osimhen and use either Hojlund or Garnacho to facilitate that transfer. If not Osimhen then they will try for Ederson and a free transfer up front like Johnathon David.
 
While the reasoning of your post is extremely sound, the big issue is even if we get CL football, we have major financial constraints mostly because we still have to pay £93m in the summer for players that might not be here. We do not have major PSR issues but we do have major cashflow and capital issues, which means we can not compete this summer with any of the big clubs for Marquee Players like ;

Branthwaite - Valued at £70m
R Alt Nouri - Valued at £45-50m
Ederson - Valued at £50-60m
M Cunha - Buy out £62m
V Osimhen - Buy out £64m

That’s a total of £290-315m, Never Ever going to happen and we won’t keep Hojlund if we buy Osimhen. I can see that deal happening but here’s the problem, both Cunha and Osimhen contracts have a buy out clause which means that we can’t negotiate on terms, we have to pay £125m for both plus huge Agent fees of another £15m so that’s £140m upfront.

Then try and negotiate £175-180m on another 3/4 years payment terms so £50m cash needed plus £20m for Agent fees that’s another £70m needed.

We simply don’t have £200m of cash to do that and even if we sell players for £100-150m, we will probably only get £40-50m at most with the rest in instalment payments.

We will be looking for cheap players like Hayden Hackney and Tyler Dibling where we can pay low upfront fees and low instalment fees. I think they will try to do one marquee signing like Osimhen and use either Hojlund or Garnacho to facilitate that transfer. If not Osimhen then they will try for Ederson and a free transfer up front like Johnathon David.
You and your bizarre takes , existence of release clauses doesn't prevent clubs to negotiate payment structures or for that matter even transfer fees .
 
Roger Fernandes
Matteus Fernandez
Cherki
Osimhen (if we can afford it)

In an ideal world I would love Vitinha but PSG have him wrapped up
 
5 players: A CB, a CM, a LWB, an AM, and a Striker.
Players: Branthwaite, Ederson, Alt-Nouri, Cunha, Osimhen.
Explanation below: (long as feck).

(a) The Young Players:
The fanbase is so quick to criticise many of our players and want to rip this squad to shreds, but the truth is that the squad is down to the bare bones now, between injuries and outgoings. Most of the players that come in for heavy criticism are pretty young. People state their "problems" as though they are permanent issues, rather than just be flaws in the games of players who are still developing. Lets quickly look at the young talent in this squad that is already ready to make a big contribution, and have significant scope to improve:

Heaven (18), Yoro (19), Dorgu (20), Mainoo (19), Collyer (21), Hojlund (22), Zirkzee (23), Amad (22), Garnacho (20), and Ugarte (23).

That is a really fantastic group of young players, all of whom should end up playing significant parts in this squad for years to come. Some, such as Yoro, Dorgu, Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho, could become some of the best players in the league in their positions. Heaven looks a really exciting prospect, although it's too early to tell, Collyer has reliable squad player written all over him. Zirkzee is a real x-factor, as he could quickly become great, or he might amount to just being a decent squad player (I love his skill set and attitude). Hojlund has a lot of tools but is still raw and needs another season or so before we really judge, and Ugarte looks really strong all round. Not sure if he'll be undisputed first choice, but he has a lot of tools and will be an important player. Whatever your opinion on each of them, the specific don't matter too much at this stage, they are all young - and in several cases VERY young, and they should be allowed time to develop and mature accordingly. It's pretty crazy to be relying on players this young to deliver week in, week out.

(b) The Prime Players. Standard Bearers.....
So this next block of our squad, players in their prime years who should carry the responsibility, and help bring the young stars along, and help this develop into a willing team, are the following:

Mazraoui (27), De Ligt (25), Martinez (27), Dalot (25), Shaw (29), Mount (26), Fernandes (30), Rashford (27), Antony (25), Sancho (24).

This block of players in their prime are supposed to be the standard by which the rest of the squad is set. They are the benchmark. The level young players aspire to get to. The players that drive our biggest results and performances. Very, very quickly we can see that this is our problem right here. Of this list, only Mazraoui, De Ligt, Dalot and Fernandes, 4 of 10 players in their prime, are either fit or even at the club. And with the greatest respect to Mazraoui and Dalot, they are two players who I consider to be good, and very important squad players; but not two players which are going to be torchbearers for incredibly high performance levels. Their attitudes and contributions are first rate, but in an ideal world they would be rotational squad players. De Ligt is still finding his feet, but emerging as a genuine leader of the team and top level performer, and Bruno is well Bruno.....everything that is still great about this club. He is THE standard. Really the only one.

Martinez, Shaw and Mount are permanently injured. Rashford, Sancho and Antony are all out on loan.

It therefore is VERY clear to me that this summer, while we will I am sure bring in one or two players 23 or under, to continue to focus on developing stars (rather than buying them), that the club simply has to invest in 2-3 players in or entering their prime, who can really raise the standard of the whole team and perform immediately. We simply cannot fairly rely on a team of kids without any experienced leaders and performers in it, except for De Ligt (who is new too), and Bruno. That's the heart of the malaise here.

(c) The (not so) Golden Oldies.....
Of course we have other, older players who all need to move on in all probability. Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans, Maguire, and Lindelof. Players commanding too much in wages for the relative value of their performances. But the loss of their experience will certainly have to be replaced by players in that 24-27 age bracket.

With all that said, what would I like to see, and why?

I am going to assume that all of the following will leave this summer: Lindelof, Malacia, Maguire, Evans, Eriksen, Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, and Sancho. That's 9 first team players. In all probability we should likely add Shaw and Mount to that list. But I think they will be kept for (a) their versatility, (b) difficulty in shifting them on their wages and injury records, and (c) their homegrown status. However, if all those players go out, we will presumably have a decent amount to spend. In that case I would want to see:

1. A versatile, modern centre-back, who is physically imposing. I would rather sign one very good CB, than two average ones. My outstanding candidate for this role is Jarrad Branthwaite. I like that he is PL proven, I like that he is extremely two footed and can play all along the back line, I like he is physically imposing and good on the ball, and I like that he brings good recovery pace to our options. He's on the young side, but already has a lot of top level experience. Can see him costing 60m or so, but at 22 and one of the outstanding english defensive talents out there, I think it'd be an excellent investment. For me, we would then have Yoro, De Ligt and Branthwaite as three outstanding CBs, along with Heaven as a huge prospect, Mazraoui as a very capable deputy, Martinez as a great leader (but no longer first choice), and maybe one month a year....Shaw.

2. We need a mobile, physically durable, tireless, and technical midfielder. No small order there. The player that ticks all the boxes for me, is Ederson from Atalanta. At 25 years old he is player in the prime of his career, with tons of experience and his best years ahead of him. He ticks every box on the profile sheet. He great and breaking up play, runs endlessly, is great carrying the ball, and is technical and a threat going forwards when he wants to be. He would be a perfect partner to Ugarte while Mainoo develops and is third choice and rotation for the role. Imagine he would cost around 50m, but be a superb signing for us.

3. We need another wingback. Someone physically robust, energetic, with pace, who can get up and down the flank. I would preferably like a left footer. On the left we have Dorgu. On the right next season, I think we should play Amad. The combination of Dorgu and Amad in the wide positions is mouth watering to me. Both very different, but both capable of running from deep with the ball and moving us up the field. Both with considerable threat going forwards, in different ways. Amad is superb receiving the ball under pressure and would be essential in the build up phase. If Amad is out, you resort to Dalot. A natural right footer on the right, it's a different option. More defensively robust, but still a solid option going forwards. Dalot is much better on the right than on the left. On the left, after Dorgu, we have no one. Unless it Dalot, and I already covered that. You could saw Shaw....never fit, or Mazraoui (I now see him as a CB in our system), so we need a left wingback, otherwise Dorgu will have to play 65 games. Milos Kerkez is a name I was talking about a year ago, and seems to be coming back into vogue. He's a player I like very much. And seeing as Dorgu is likely first choice, I am not sure it is necessary to buy an experienced understudy here. Kerkez has the quality to compete with Dorgu. One can also look at players like Theo Hernandez, Balde, Nuno Mendes, but these all seem unattainable to me, so the other serious option would probably be Rayan Alt-Nouri, who is almost unbelievably still only 23 and ticks all the boxes.

4. Lets be frank, we simply need a goalscoring striker. Bruno is our main source of goals. Next season I imagine we'll see him mostly as a 10, but also playing plenty of games as a CM. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see us go into the season with Ugarte, Ederson, Mainoo, Bruno, and Collyer as our first choice CMs, with the numbers supplemented with players from the academy (maybe Kone?). But even if we sign a second CM and Bruno is purely a 10, there just aren't enough goals in this team. We lack that killer instinct. We have some terrific approach players, in Bruno, Zirkzee, Garnacho, and maybe even Mount....we also have Amad who we can play there (but I see as being our RWB), but our only true striker is Hojlund. And all due respect to Rasmus but he is too young and too raw to take on that mantle at United just yet. The pressure is making him wilt. Even in one striker systems, you need to have two reliable strikers. So, we are looking for movement, pace, willingness to make the runs in behind, and above all....a killer instinct. A natural goalscorer. The outstanding candidate is surely Victor Osimhen. He's 26, scores goals for fun. Bags of pace. A real threat in behind. A striker in his prime years, with most of his best ones ahead of him, and available for what is a comparatively reasonable fee. Other candidates? Lautaro Martinez (too expensive), Gyokeres (just not sure about him at the highest level, especially for the price), or maybe someone with a slightly lesser profile in Victor Boniface. But my money is on Osimhen.


5. Okay, so is that it? No....We are one player light at the least. We either need to sign another CM and leave Bruno to play AM full time, or sign another AM and let Bruno be an option for both roles. My money is on the latter, because I think Bruno will naturally go further back the pitch anyway as he gets older. So another AM it is. Something I think is necessary especially if we play Amad RWB. Well, the player I want is Matheus Cunha. Pace, Power, Dribbling, the full package really. Not a prolific scorer, but a consummate team player and really brings absolutely everything we lack. If we couldn't get him, it gets a bit dicier. I wouldn't be averse to a Dibbling for a reasonable fee. He doesn't come straight into the team but he does add something new, and is a bright English talent.


"Just" five signings, but signings that I think would transform this team and squad. Supplement it with a couple of under the radar gems for cheap fees, and a couple from the academy, and I suddenly start feeling good about next season:

Onana/Bayindir

Yoro, De Ligt, Branthwaite / Mazraoui, Heaven, Martinez, / Shaw

Amad, Ederson, Ugarte, Dorgu / Dalot, Bruno, Mainoo, Alt-Nouri / Collyer, Amass

Cunha, Bruno / Garnacho, Zirkzee / Mount

Osimhen / Hojlund / Obi

Out: Evans, Malacia, Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen, Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, Sancho.
In: Branthwaite, Ederson, Alt-Nouri, Cunha, Osimhen

This squad has pace, power, technical ability, stamina, phsyicality, height. All positions are well covered. It's balanced. And I think it would be ultra competitive in every game. The would be a dangerous team going forwards, but very resilient in defence. The age profile on that squad is unbelievably good.

If you look at the numbers, what it would cost to bring those players in, versus what we can get for the players we sell, and the savings on wages for some of the highest earners - plus how report profits to PSR on sales vs acquisitions being amortised.....it's easily doable financially. My final point is that I would much, much, much rather sign the right five players, then make the budget go further and sign 7-8 players. That just doesn't work. Too much gambling and half measures. Every single one of the signings I've suggested is there or thereabouts the best player we can get for each position, that isn't completely unrealistic. They are all also young. The oldest is Osimhen at 26.

I see the previous 12 transfer windows haven’t killed your optimism.
 
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ST - Mateta (35m). Experienced in the league and good scoring record.

AM - Cunha (60m). Same as Mateta with the league experience and goal scoring. Also familiar with the 10 role in a back three system

CM - Jobe Bellingham (25m). Our midfield imo gets bypassed too easily with Bruno as one of the CMs. While Bruno has been excellent offensively in that position, We need midfielders that are good in attack and can also contribute defensively. Jobe from what I’ve seen does both and wouldn’t cost a fortune

RWB - Roger Fernandes (25m). Amad for me should be our starting RWB and Dorgu our LWB but when these two need to be rotated or are out injured we need to be able to do better than Dalot. Havent seen much of Roger tbh but looks electric in the highlights

CB - A bunch of our CBs are not really suited to pressing high as reiterated by Amorim . Not sure how much money we’d have left if we spend on the above positions but I’m fine with getting a cheap hidden gem CB like the Turkish lad we’ve been linked with. If we do still have money to spend, then I’ll go all in and get a Huijsen or Branthwaite or Schlotterbeck


Ideally:

Mateta
Cunha Fernandes
Dorgu Jobe Ugarte Amad
Yoro Branthwaite De Ligt
Onana​
 
You and your bizarre takes , existence of release clauses doesn't prevent clubs to negotiate payment structures or for that matter even transfer fees .
When you have a buyout clause in a contract, the buying club normally have to pay the contract value out in one payment, at least if your going to be critical make sure your correct.

And just like United wanted Jao Neves in the summer, our competition had the funds to pay the agreed buy out in one instalment, that’s why he went to PSG. We wanted to pay by instalments, when you have nearly £400m of transfer debt, at some point buying on a credit card that’s maxed out has to stop!

Some fans clearly have no understanding of a balance sheet and can’t see how perilous the Current finances of the club actually are.

We will not be buying 4 or 5 marquee signings, the club for click bait material will be linked with multiple players and we might actually buy one of those players linked.
 
I think our previous signings under sir Jim are getting there. De Ligt is a big upgrade on Lindelof though not a Van Djik. Yoro it seems too early to tell. Zirkzee is finally showing he’s a decent footballer. Dorgu and Heaven are superb. Mazraoui is probably the best of the lot.

Personally I’d go all out for a top quality striker and a midfielder. I do think Ugarte, Bruno and Mainoo are fantastic and would love to see Mount come good but Casemiro needs urgently to be replaced as does Erickson.

His signings have done the bare minimum. None have been a success. Not yet.

The love for Maz and Zirkzee on here is crazy in my eyes. Maz is a Decent defender, yes. But a hugely average footballer who is clueless when he crosses the halfway line, no club would win the league with him in their starting 11. Bayern don’t win the league and he’s on their priority list of players to sell… tells me quite a lot.
Zirkzee has had a handful of decent performances in 43 games. He’s too slow, weak and technically limited to play in the premier league. He’s also 24… he’s not a kid.

De Ligt is what he is. A player with good pedigree but a level below the likes of Gabriel and VDV. Never mind Saliba or VVD. Chances are any CB’s in Europe’s top 5 leagues are better than Lindelof so that isn’t a measuring stick for success.

I don’t read too much into Yoro’s shaky moments and obvious weaknesses too much, being just 19 and having had a big injury he gets a free pass.
Good starts from Dorgu and Heaven in the tiny amount of minutes we’ve seen them.


I find it a little odd that so many fans put the argument forward that our manager doesn’t have a chance with the group of players he has (which I fully agree with) but when said fans talk about players individually, they stick up for them. It makes no sense.
 
I think given where we are financially, the first question before composing how our squad will look next year is if we get into Europe or not. On the assumption that we don't I hope we go for 2-3 experienced heads and the rest composed of young players with potential. It would be great to recruit an experienced older GK that is relatively cheap but brings stability to the defence, he doesn't have to be a world beater just reliable. Would be the same at striker, a solid option that won't set the world alight be brings consistency to the position. After that stock up on young, athletic, physical players that can grow into a top notch squad. Heaven and Dorgu have shown that we don't have to pay £50m plus for a player to be of sufficient quality, potential and be a good fit for Amorim's scheme.
 
When you have a buyout clause in a contract, the buying club normally have to pay the contract value out in one payment, at least if your going to be critical make sure your correct.

And just like United wanted Jao Neves in the summer, our competition had the funds to pay the agreed buy out in one instalment, that’s why he went to PSG. We wanted to pay by instalments, when you have nearly £400m of transfer debt, at some point buying on a credit card that’s maxed out has to stop!

Some fans clearly have no understanding of a balance sheet and can’t see how perilous the Current finances of the club actually are.

We will not be buying 4 or 5 marquee signings, the club for click bait material will be linked with multiple players and we might actually buy one of those players linked.

Again you are talking out of your ass as usual , point you made was due to buy out clauses you can't negotiate the payment structures or fees when it clearly isn't the case even the example you have given proves that FYI Neves buy out clause was 120m and he went for significantly lower amount shows how clued in you are .

Point is buyout clause or not fees as well payment structure are negotiable if Selling Club wants to .
 
While the reasoning of your post is extremely sound, the big issue is even if we get CL football, we have major financial constraints mostly because we still have to pay £93m in the summer for players that might not be here. We do not have major PSR issues but we do have major cashflow and capital issues, which means we can not compete this summer with any of the big clubs for Marquee Players like ;

Branthwaite - Valued at £70m
R Alt Nouri - Valued at £45-50m
Ederson - Valued at £50-60m
M Cunha - Buy out £62m
V Osimhen - Buy out £64m

That’s a total of £290-315m, Never Ever going to happen and we won’t keep Hojlund if we buy Osimhen. I can see that deal happening but here’s the problem, both Cunha and Osimhen contracts have a buy out clause which means that we can’t negotiate on terms, we have to pay £125m for both plus huge Agent fees of another £15m so that’s £140m upfront.

Then try and negotiate £175-180m on another 3/4 years payment terms so £50m cash needed plus £20m for Agent fees that’s another £70m needed.

We simply don’t have £200m of cash to do that and even if we sell players for £100-150m, we will probably only get £40-50m at most with the rest in instalment payments.

We will be looking for cheap players like Hayden Hackney and Tyler Dibling where we can pay low upfront fees and low instalment fees. I think they will try to do one marquee signing like Osimhen and use either Hojlund or Garnacho to facilitate that transfer. If not Osimhen then they will try for Ederson and a free transfer up front like Johnathon David.
How much do you think Höjlund is worth? 20m? No way that he can facilitate Osimhen who also will be looking for a huge salary which is a thing of the past. Getting a decent striker in the summer won't be easy. Might very well be David.
 
Gyokeres or Osimhen and a top midfielder is all we need. Unless we're planning on selling Onana, which is a distinct possibility.
 
Again you are talking out of your ass as usual , point you made was due to buy out clauses you can't negotiate the payment structures or fees when it clearly isn't the case even the example you have given proves that FYI Neves buy out clause was 120m and he went for significantly lower amount shows how clued in you are .

Point is buyout clause or not fees as well payment structure are negotiable if Selling Club wants to .
Read the rules pal your going to have to change your tone from the 17th with your blatant insults, notice I never respond like a grown up adult wouldn’t, yes Neves went for considerably less however that lesser payment had to be paid upfront by PSG, that’s the main point which most United fans understand right now, due to decades of neglect we’re in financial life support!
 
How much do you think Höjlund is worth? 20m? No way that he can facilitate Osimhen who also will be looking for a huge salary which is a thing of the past. Getting a decent striker in the summer won't be easy. Might very well be David.
I think genuinely that he’s still young, has all the tools and may well develop into a £50-60m all round striker, we saw glimpses last season however the club massively overpaid by £30m when we bought him, because of his age I think we might get £35m from Napoli as Conte seems obsessed with making United players world beaters. I think Johnathon David would be fine as second striker option as he’s free however I can’t see anyone paying Osimhen huge wage request apart from United. They should move the right players out and that will free up the wages needed to sign Osimhen.

I still live in hope that Ruben’s Relationship with Gykores still gives the club a chance on that transfer if we don’t get Osimhen, we must buy one of them.
 
Read the rules pal your going to have to change your tone from the 17th with your blatant insults, notice I never respond like a grown up adult wouldn’t, yes Neves went for considerably less however that lesser payment had to be paid upfront by PSG, that’s the main point which most United fans understand right now, due to decades of neglect we’re in financial life support!
My apologies for my tone definitely went overboard there .
 
My apologies for my tone definitely went overboard there .
Just keep it real, it’s ok for us to disagree that’s ok but I never ever get personal and having different opinions are what make this forum so well grounded.

All United fans want the best, we all want the same, sometimes we get carried away, I’ve gone too far on our Manager a few times and I genuinely rate him very highly, we all want the same thing a successful team on the pitch.

However we are going to really go through the pain barrier this summer, watching other teams make really good signings, that we struggle to compete with financially.

The hope is we might pull a marquee player or two off and then sign some genuinely talented younger players like Patrick Dorgu that will bust a gut for the club.

I’ve turned over a new leaf, I’m not going to criticise the coach, even if we loose the next 12 games?

I really liked what I saw at old Trafford this Thursday and if that’s what we can achieve at least 7 or 8 times out of 10 next season, then sign me up.
 
While the reasoning of your post is extremely sound, the big issue is even if we get CL football, we have major financial constraints mostly because we still have to pay £93m in the summer for players that might not be here. We do not have major PSR issues but we do have major cashflow and capital issues, which means we can not compete this summer with any of the big clubs for Marquee Players like ;

Branthwaite - Valued at £70m
R Alt Nouri - Valued at £45-50m
Ederson - Valued at £50-60m
M Cunha - Buy out £62m
V Osimhen - Buy out £64m

That’s a total of £290-315m, Never Ever going to happen and we won’t keep Hojlund if we buy Osimhen. I can see that deal happening but here’s the problem, both Cunha and Osimhen contracts have a buy out clause which means that we can’t negotiate on terms, we have to pay £125m for both plus huge Agent fees of another £15m so that’s £140m upfront.

Then try and negotiate £175-180m on another 3/4 years payment terms so £50m cash needed plus £20m for Agent fees that’s another £70m needed.

We simply don’t have £200m of cash to do that and even if we sell players for £100-150m, we will probably only get £40-50m at most with the rest in instalment payments.

We will be looking for cheap players like Hayden Hackney and Tyler Dibling where we can pay low upfront fees and low instalment fees. I think they will try to do one marquee signing like Osimhen and use either Hojlund or Garnacho to facilitate that transfer. If not Osimhen then they will try for Ederson and a free transfer up front like Johnathon David.
I appreciate the acknowledgement of the reasoning. However, I think your financial analysis leaves some things to be desired. You are not way off the mark in that significant investment will be required but it’s certainly something we can pull off if we negotiate installements in fees. Say pay 65m instead of 62m and have it spread out over 3-4 years etc. We did exactly that for Zirkzee. We should bring in close to 100m or so in sales, and an absolute shed ton in saved wages.

We’ll end up with a very well balanced squad, with tons of resale value. We may be able to save some outlay in say signing a lesser target than Alt-Nouri for example, and securing the other 4 primary targets. I also wouldn’t rule out Ratcliffe injecting another 90m and converting to equity to ensure this transition. There is a definite financial pathway here to make it happen. We are going to feel the pinch of the Sancho, Antony and Casemiro transfers for a little bit longer but soon they’ll drop off our radar.
 
I appreciate the acknowledgement of the reasoning. However, I think your financial analysis leaves some things to be desired. You are not way off the mark in that significant investment will be required but it’s certainly something we can pull off if we negotiate installements in fees. Say pay 65m instead of 62m and have it spread out over 3-4 years etc. We did exactly that for Zirkzee. We should bring in close to 100m or so in sales, and an absolute shed ton in saved wages.

We’ll end up with a very well balanced squad, with tons of resale value. We may be able to save some outlay in say signing a lesser target than Alt-Nouri for example, and securing the other 4 primary targets. I also wouldn’t rule out Ratcliffe injecting another 90m and converting to equity to ensure this transition. There is a definite financial pathway here to make it happen. We are going to feel the pinch of the Sancho, Antony and Casemiro transfers for a little bit longer but soon they’ll drop off our radar.
Ok the only problem with your idea, we already owe £300m of existing transfer debt, most of which is ETH fault, so in the summer we have to pay £93m for existing payments for players which Sir Jim correctly stated in his recent interview, arranging terms for players is all well and good providing your the only big team looking at the specific player.

The moment City, Newcastle, PSG, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal or City are looking at the same player they are currently able to make that payment in one instalment Sometimes these team may even offer less but in one initial payment and Cash is always king for the selling club.

The thought of SJR investing maybe another $120m (£90m) is quite feasible and that’s why I think we might actually buy Gykores or Osimhen. I’m convinced both of them are being heavily chased by the club and all ‘The were not interested!” is purely to throw other clubs off their scent.

You can rest assured that the Agent for either Gykores or Osimhen is looking to line his pockets with at least a £20m agent fee as well, and to my knowledge not all of our deals were facilitated with payment terms in the summer, I think we paid for Lenny Yoro upfront and I’m sure we paid for Mason Mount upfront as well.
 
OUT £135m
Case £15mm
Rashford £50m
Sancho £25m
Antony £25m
Dalot £20m

IN £135m
Kane £40m
Frimpong £35m release
Cunha £60m release


—————— Kane ——————
————— Hojlund —————
——— CunhaAmad ——
——— Mainoo — Zirkzee ———
Dorgu ——————— Frimpong
Leon —————————— Amad
——— Bruno —— Urgarte ———
——— Mount —— Collyer ——
——— Mainoo — Kone ———
———————————————
Butcher — De Ligt — Mazzourai
Heaven — Maguire — Yoro


Three transfers would completely change this team and this is also full of youth with reasonable depth
 
Ok the only problem with your idea, we already owe £300m of existing transfer debt, most of which is ETH fault, so in the summer we have to pay £93m for existing payments for players which Sir Jim correctly stated in his recent interview, arranging terms for players is all well and good providing your the only big team looking at the specific player.

The moment City, Newcastle, PSG, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal or City are looking at the same player they are currently able to make that payment in one instalment Sometimes these team may even offer less but in one initial payment and Cash is always king for the selling club.

The thought of SJR investing maybe another $120m (£90m) is quite feasible and that’s why I think we might actually buy Gykores or Osimhen. I’m convinced both of them are being heavily chased by the club and all ‘The were not interested!” is purely to throw other clubs off their scent.

You can rest assured that the Agent for either Gykores or Osimhen is looking to line his pockets with at least a £20m agent fee as well, and to my knowledge not all of our deals were facilitated with payment terms in the summer, I think we paid for Lenny Yoro upfront and I’m sure we paid for Mason Mount upfront as well.
But this has always been the case. People are talking about our transfer debt like it’s some shocking revelation. Every club has transfer debt, because all deals are done in installements. We have to pay out 93m this summer, agreed, but we also have money coming in on installments too. This is just how clubs are run.

The problem here isn’t the transfer obligations per se, it’s that they are for players who turned out to be useless. So they need replacing. It’s also important to look at the budget holistically, not in such simplistic terms. Player costs will be the 93m plus other associated fees such as agents, bonuses etc., and wages. Minus sale income. When you reduce the wage basis significantly you can essentially convert a chunk of that savings into transfer fees if you want, as long as you keep overall player costs at a sustainable level. If you sell a player making 350k a week and replace him with someone making 125k a week, you’ve saved 12.5m a year. You will have the same cost basis therefore if you buy that player for 50m and amortise his fee over 4 years. If you sell the 350k guy for 40m, you are now saving 10m a year despite spending 50m on a transfer. And in all probability you book that sale value in year one, to give you more PSR wiggle room, meaning this year, such a change would give you a 40m accounting profit.

This doesn’t mean you have an extra 40m on hand, as cash flow is different. But it illustrates how incorrect it is to view transfers as simple x in and y out. Doesn’t work like that.

Assuming the club has cash on hand, which it has a revolving credit facility which Ratcliffe paid down to provide exactly that, the club can easily sell the players I mentioned and spend 250m on incoming transfers this summer, because it won’t have to disburse that 250m up front. Probably only 75m ish of it. The club also has wiggle room in how it sells. Just like clubs sometimes pay a little above the release clause to secure better payment terms (structured), you can offer a small discount to take all up front payment. Say 42m for this player in 4 installments or 37-38m if paid all up front. Well run clubs don’t do this, because they look at maximum return over a multi year period, but in difficult times, such as needed a massive reboot, it’s an option. You just need to be sure you have a plan to move to sustainability sooner rather than later.
 
OUT £135m
Case £15mm
Rashford £50m
Sancho £25m
Antony £25m
Dalot £20m

IN £135m
Kane £40m
Frimpong £35m release
Cunha £60m release


—————— Kane ——————
————— Hojlund —————
——— CunhaAmad ——
——— Mainoo — Zirkzee ———
Dorgu ——————— Frimpong
Leon —————————— Amad
——— Bruno —— Urgarte ———
——— Mount —— Collyer ——
——— Mainoo — Kone ———
———————————————
Butcher — De Ligt — Mazzourai
Heaven — Maguire — Yoro


Three transfers would completely change this team and this is also full of youth with reasonable depth

Sounds good, except that Kane is on £400k/week and is competing for leagues and CLs every year.
 
Right now, we need.

Keeper - Costa

Striker - Kolo Muani (David for free as a bonus)

Central Midfielder - Otavio (Gomes for free as a bonus)
 
I reckon he's talented enough to be dangerous on either side. If we could nick him it would he a great deal. He's creating loads of assists this season and has serious technical ability.
Yeah, good player. Tremendous engine and a good dribbler. Would only want to see him play on the left really, but would bring something to the team certainly I think.

Yep he’s never a wing back but would be perfect as Right 10/AM that’s a perfect role for him and Amad to share, with Amad and Dalot more than suitable to cover Right wing back, We also have Bendito Mantato, Ethan Williams and James Scallon, Kanason and Harry Amass. At least one of them is coming through next season.

If we are adding a wing back, then I really like the 19 year old at Braga that Ruben will know all about, Roger Fernandes and he should only cost £10-15m and wages of £20k per week. I think we can forget Players like Frimpong and others as Dalot will probably stay.

I think if we could get Tyler Dibling and Roger Fernandes for the £40-45m combined that the club would have spent on Quenda, that’s good business and mitigates the risk of two young players for the cost of one including wages.

This is only a best guess scenario for a United Squad next season without CL football;

Goalkeepers - J Trafford*, A Bayinder,
E Harrison

Defenders - L Yoro, N Mazraoui, MDL,
H Maguire, A Heaven, L Martinez, L Shaw

Wing Backs - D Dalot, P Dorgu, D Leon,
B Mantato, R Fernandes*,

Midfield - M Ugarte, K Mainoo, B Fernandes, H Hackney*, T Collyer, S Kone

Number 10’s/SS - J Zirkzee, M Mount, Amad, T Dibling*, A Garnaucho

Main Striker - V Osimhen*, E Wheatley, Chido


I think this would be the most realistic transfer window with no European football, where we go all out for one marquee signing like Osimhen.

Transfers out ;
1. M Rashford - £40m
2. J Sancho - £25m
3. Antony - £25m
4. Casemiro - £10m
5. R Hojlund - £40m as part of Osimhen deal
6.A Onana - £15m
7. J Evan’s - Retired
8. V Lindelof - Free
9. T Heaton - Free
10. C Eriksen - Free

Total Raised - £150-155m
Wages Saved - £1.8m per week

New Players Bought -
1. J Trafford - £20m / 60k per week
2. H Hackney - £20m / 50k per week
3. R Fernandes - £15m / 20k per week
4. T Dibling - £35m / 85k per week
5. V Osimhen - £65m / 260k per week

Total - Spent £155m
New Wages - £475k per week

Club saves £1.325m per week with only Bruno £300k, MDL £180k and Harry Maguire on £190k per week. All the rest are below £150k per week which allows them to renegotiate with Garnaucho and Mainoo with new contracts on £120-140k per week.
Assume they give Garnaucho a £75k per week pay rise and Kobbie £100k which would mean the club saved £1.8m per week in wages but spent £650,000 of that on new players and new contracts.

That’s £60m per year saved which coincidentally is the amount of interest the club paid last year to service all of its debt. This might not look inspiring but without European Football, I think this would be the best we could hope for. The savings would allow the club to be more aggressive in the winter transfer window if as I suspect we manage to get Mount and Shaw on the pitch enough times to sell them both for modest fees in January 26 and then replace them with a couple of marquee players.

The new contracts are rumoured to be reasonable base level contracts with high incentives for wining, scoring goals, clean sheets, European qualification etc.

Kobbie team might be told there’s no basic £150-180k per week but instead £100-120k like Amad but with major incentives that could mean you earn £150-160k per week if your playing well and the team is wining regularly and quality for CL year in year out.

There a lot of things I really don’t like about INEOS however trying to reset a decade of overpaying average players is not one of them, this new structure will mean the club target young, hungry physical players that will give their last breath to win for the club and not win for themselves.
Disagree. Would rather have Garnacho sharing the right attacking slot with Amad - gives us a different option and a better compliment were the two of them to play together down that flank.

You really like Roger Fernandes :lol: what, since you heard of him this morning?
 
His signings have done the bare minimum. None have been a success. Not yet.

The love for Maz and Zirkzee on here is crazy in my eyes. Maz is a Decent defender, yes. But a hugely average footballer who is clueless when he crosses the halfway line, no club would win the league with him in their starting 11. Bayern don’t win the league and he’s on their priority list of players to sell… tells me quite a lot.
Zirkzee has had a handful of decent performances in 43 games. He’s too slow, weak and technically limited to play in the premier league. He’s also 24… he’s not a kid.

De Ligt is what he is. A player with good pedigree but a level below the likes of Gabriel and VDV. Never mind Saliba or VVD. Chances are any CB’s in Europe’s top 5 leagues are better than Lindelof so that isn’t a measuring stick for success.

I don’t read too much into Yoro’s shaky moments and obvious weaknesses too much, being just 19 and having had a big injury he gets a free pass.
Good starts from Dorgu and Heaven in the tiny amount of minutes we’ve seen them.


I find it a little odd that so many fans put the argument forward that our manager doesn’t have a chance with the group of players he has (which I fully agree with) but when said fans talk about players individually, they stick up for them. It makes no sense.
Let’s just focus on Zirkzee. He’s overall been incredibly poor. The sub before half time could have broken him. At 23 (he’s not 24 ) that’s still young. We know foreign players can struggle to settle in the PL and it often takes two years. Sometimes players can look not up to it and prove everyone wrong. They need resilience and that’s what he does have. Remember Mourinho sold De Bruyne (22) and Salah (24) abroad. Zirkzee might not be setting the world alight but he’s improving and to say he isn’t young is unfair. He’s had a couple of great matches and has shown us all there’s talent and determination.
 
Zirkzee has been playing well recently. A lot of our attacks go through him. He's not a goalgetter but other than that a very important player atm.
 
The 2 most important position in any football team need to be our utmost priority this summer. Therefore I hope we sign the following 2 players - Goalkeeper - Lucas Chevalier (Lille) - Born: 6 November 2001 (age 23 years) - Height: 1.89 m and Centre-Forward - Samu Aghehowa (Porto) - Born: 5 May 2004 (age 20 years) - Height: 1.93 m. If we had these 2 in our team at the start of the season then I believe that we would be in the race for a Champs League spot.
 
But this has always been the case. People are talking about our transfer debt like it’s some shocking revelation. Every club has transfer debt, because all deals are done in installements. We have to pay out 93m this summer, agreed, but we also have money coming in on installments too. This is just how clubs are run.

The problem here isn’t the transfer obligations per se, it’s that they are for players who turned out to be useless. So they need replacing. It’s also important to look at the budget holistically, not in such simplistic terms. Player costs will be the 93m plus other associated fees such as agents, bonuses etc., and wages. Minus sale income. When you reduce the wage basis significantly you can essentially convert a chunk of that savings into transfer fees if you want, as long as you keep overall player costs at a sustainable level. If you sell a player making 350k a week and replace him with someone making 125k a week, you’ve saved 12.5m a year. You will have the same cost basis therefore if you buy that player for 50m and amortise his fee over 4 years. If you sell the 350k guy for 40m, you are now saving 10m a year despite spending 50m on a transfer. And in all probability you book that sale value in year one, to give you more PSR wiggle room, meaning this year, such a change would give you a 40m accounting profit.

This doesn’t mean you have an extra 40m on hand, as cash flow is different. But it illustrates how incorrect it is to view transfers as simple x in and y out. Doesn’t work like that.

Assuming the club has cash on hand, which it has a revolving credit facility which Ratcliffe paid down to provide exactly that, the club can easily sell the players I mentioned and spend 250m on incoming transfers this summer, because it won’t have to disburse that 250m up front. Probably only 75m ish of it. The club also has wiggle room in how it sells. Just like clubs sometimes pay a little above the release clause to secure better payment terms (structured), you can offer a small discount to take all up front payment. Say 42m for this player in 4 installments or 37-38m if paid all up front. Well run clubs don’t do this, because they look at maximum return over a multi year period, but in difficult times, such as needed a massive reboot, it’s an option. You just need to be sure you have a plan to move to sustainability sooner rather than later.
I guarantee you that if we don’t have European Football next year we will not spend more than £150m let alone £250m and that will only be if we sell £100m worth of players. Our biggest issue is this, the club has budgeted 25/26 season and the following 3 seasons after that for Europa League Football which roughly gives you another £25-40m on your revenue including additional Matchday revenue.

The CL is more like £75-90m. Last years Revenue was £662m and the club lost over £100m, that was with only 6 CL group matches.

This year Revenue will reduce to nearer £630-640m, wages have also reduced but cash is drying up. We currently have less than £100m (£95.5m) as a working cashflow, after SJR investment of $300m.

I completely agree with your analysis of being able to increase our transfer budget by reducing the wage bill, if we remove the 4 biggest earners of Casemiro, Rashford, Sancho and Antony you save £1.1m per year which is £58m in wages, replace those 4 players with 4/5 players who earn £600k per week combined and you save £25m which could be used in transfers in the summer but you will not see the cash benefit until 25/26 season.

The other benefit of not being in Europe means we are not governed by UEFA SRR (Squad Ratio Rule) where only 70% of revenue can be spent on wages, Agent and net transfer fee. So we agree United don’t really have any PSR issues however they have huge cashflow issues.

The £95.5m reported in December 2024, is now reduced just by the £25.2m the club paid upfront for Patrick Dorgu, no instalments up front payment. We did not get any loan payments for Rashford, Antony, and Sancho but we may have saved approximately £15-18m in their wages which will free up cash for the club. Most of the cut backs like Sir Alex salary being cut and all the other cutbacks rumoured to be anything from £40-£65m for this year including playing staff. Let’s say £50m for the purpose of this exercise.

The simple reality is that if your using less cash to pay for a reduced bloated employees whether they are footballers, accountants, chefs, IT staff you will have more cash available in the summer, we might have £100-120m of cash available for transfers, however the club might want to hold some of that cash back for the winter transfers

I agree the club will also be getting transfer residual payments in for players like Greenwood, McTominay and others also coming in however at most £20/25m against £93m we owe.

So £70m of that money will be allocated for those players that SJR was quite right, he never bought them but has to pay. That leaves maybe £50m available!
Let’s assume we sell Sancho for £25m and it’s paid upfront, now we have £75m . Rashford and Antony sell for a combined £60m however with instalments of £15m per year for 4 years that now means we have £90m and other smaller transfers generate cash of £10m so the club maybe has £100m of working cash. They will not spend all of that but at most £75-80m and that buys you £150m of players not £250m!

If you buy 5/6 players for £150m then the Upfront Agent fees and signing on fees alone will be £20-25m.

Then you have to actually agree that you can buy all the players on a 3/4 year payment plans which would cost £40/50m of cash this summer as initial first payments for all the new players.

The financial situation of the club is already incredibly perilous without even considering the true financial Implications of paying off ETH and his staff plus Dan Ashworth, both of these are reported to be a combined fee of £14.4m, now some of that expenditure will be moved into 25/26 accounts, maybe even half of the figure.

If that’s not enough to worry about add on the buying out Ruben Amorim and his coaching staff’s contracts for another €11m(£9.25m) which would have been paid in December 24 or January 25 and will definitely go into this years accounts.

Now you see why player sales are so critical and why United want at least one main young player’s sale to be done early in the window and to be paid upfront. I’m convinced either Garnaucho or Mainoo will go for £60/70m providing the buying club pay the payment upfront, if not they will sell Hojlund, Onana and a host of academy players like Wheatley, Amass, Gore and many more.
 
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The 2 most important position in any football team need to be our utmost priority this summer. Therefore I hope we sign the following 2 players - Goalkeeper - Lucas Chevalier (Lille) - Born: 6 November 2001 (age 23 years) - Height: 1.89 m and Centre-Forward - Samu Aghehowa (Porto) - Born: 5 May 2004 (age 20 years) - Height: 1.93 m. If we had these 2 in our team at the start of the season then I believe that we would be in the race for a Champs League spot.
Agree these are the sort of left field signings we need to make, I would even give James Trafford a chance, he’s a giant at 6’6 and has that arrogance to improve, many forget this kid won England the U21 Euros.

I really like Roger Fernandes from Braga as well. We only need one Marquee signing and that’s the number 9, all the rest can be left field signings who have something to prove. I think Samu Aghehowa is the next big thing just like you and think your right if we can’t get Osimhen or Gykores make this guy the next priority.
 
With Quenda off the cards - wondering what people think of Antoine Semenyo as a possible RWB/RAM signing (depending on where you want to play Amad)?

Fits the physical profile Amorim is after as he's 6'1", quick, decent engine - he's very two-footed and as a natural winger should improve the attacking output from that position, but also his defensive markers are generally above average for his position (tackles won, ball recoveries, aerials won per 90).

If he's available for a similar fee to Quenda (some reports linking him with Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool for £40-50m range) he could be a good option I think? Depends whether you'd prefer them to target established PL players at peak age or go for more of the younger, unproven but cheaper options like Dorgu still.
 
With Quenda off the cards - wondering what people think of Antoine Semenyo as a possible RWB/RAM signing (depending on where you want to play Amad)?

Fits the physical profile Amorim is after as he's 6'1", quick, decent engine - he's very two-footed and as a natural winger should improve the attacking output from that position, but also his defensive markers are generally above average for his position (tackles won, ball recoveries, aerials won per 90).

If he's available for a similar fee to Quenda (some reports linking him with Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool for £40-50m range) he could be a good option I think? Depends whether you'd prefer them to target established PL players at peak age or go for more of the younger, unproven but cheaper options like Dorgu still.

I believe Amad's long term future is further upfield So United would most probably be targeting RWB and truth to be told I don't see many attacking players in their prime putting in good numbers , no matter how you pitch it being happy to come play as WB under Amorim so most likely we would get a player who is already primarily playing as wingback or somebody who is playing as traditional Full back but has the attributes to play wingback .
 
I believe Amad's long term future is further upfield So United would most probably be targeting RWB and truth to be told I don't see many attacking players in their prime putting in good numbers , no matter how you pitch it being happy to come play as WB under Amorim so most likely we would get a player who is already primarily playing as wingback or somebody who is playing as traditional Full back but has the attributes to play wingback .
RA likes one of his wingbacks to be a winger. He wants them high up the pitch hurting teams, but they also need to be able to bust a gut and get back to help defensively
 
Yeah, good player. Tremendous engine and a good dribbler. Would only want to see him play on the left really, but would bring something to the team certainly I think.


Disagree. Would rather have Garnacho sharing the right attacking slot with Amad - gives us a different option and a better compliment were the two of them to play together down that flank.

You really like Roger Fernandes :lol: what, since you heard of him this morning?
No since the last 6 months, I watch a lot of Portuguese football pal, I have a lot of family that lives there, mostly near Porto.

I also think that deal could be done at £15-20m not £40m.

My brother is a saints season ticket holder and I’ve seen Dibling live a few times now, he’s not worth more than £35m, young very talented and far more creative than Garnaucho but he’s not as explosive also a moody player, why can’t we have Garnaucho, Amad and Tyler Dibling, left footed players with high ceilings are always worth the risk, saints fan wrongly do feel he has Shaw/Bake elite potential, not so sure about that!
 
With Quenda off the cards - wondering what people think of Antoine Semenyo as a possible RWB/RAM signing (depending on where you want to play Amad)?

Fits the physical profile Amorim is after as he's 6'1", quick, decent engine - he's very two-footed and as a natural winger should improve the attacking output from that position, but also his defensive markers are generally above average for his position (tackles won, ball recoveries, aerials won per 90).

If he's available for a similar fee to Quenda (some reports linking him with Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool for £40-50m range) he could be a good option I think? Depends whether you'd prefer them to target established PL players at peak age or go for more of the younger, unproven but cheaper options like Dorgu still.
Semenyo isn’t a RWB but could offer options as an AM and ST. I personally don’t think he’s a fantastic fit in either of those roles though for us and I also don’t think he has a super high ceiling to be a starter for a CL level team. Squad player absolutely, but I don’t think we can afford 50-60m squad signings right now.

Disclosure: I’m from Bristol and follow Bristol City alongside Utd so have seen Semenyo’s talent from early on. At Bristol City he was an absolute beast probably 1 in every 4 games but lacked the consistency he is now showing. Excited to see what happens to him over the next couple of years. My guess is he moves to Arsenal or Chelsea either this summer or next.
 
I guarantee you that if we don’t have European Football next year we will not spend more than £150m let alone £250m and that will only be if we sell £100m worth of players. Our biggest issue is this, the club has budgeted 25/26 season and the following 3 seasons after that for Europa League Football which roughly gives you another £25-40m on your revenue including additional Matchday revenue.

The CL is more like £75-90m. Last years Revenue was £662m and the club lost over £100m, that was with only 6 CL group matches.

This year Revenue will reduce to nearer £630-640m, wages have also reduced but cash is drying up. We currently have less than £100m (£95.5m) as a working cashflow, after SJR investment of $300m.

I completely agree with your analysis of being able to increase our transfer budget by reducing the wage bill, if we remove the 4 biggest earners of Casemiro, Rashford, Sancho and Antony you save £1.1m per year which is £58m in wages, replace those 4 players with 4/5 players who earn £600k per week combined and you save £25m which could be used in transfers in the summer but you will not see the cash benefit until 25/26 season.

The other benefit of not being in Europe means we are not governed by UEFA SRR (Squad Ratio Rule) where only 70% of revenue can be spent on wages, Agent and net transfer fee. So we agree United don’t really have any PSR issues however they have huge cashflow issues.

The £95.5m reported in December 2024, is now reduced just by the £25.2m the club paid upfront for Patrick Dorgu, no instalments up front payment. We did not get any loan payments for Rashford, Antony, and Sancho but we may have saved approximately £15-18m in their wages which will free up cash for the club. Most of the cut backs like Sir Alex salary being cut and all the other cutbacks rumoured to be anything from £40-£65m for this year including playing staff. Let’s say £50m for the purpose of this exercise.

The simple reality is that if your using less cash to pay for a reduced bloated employees whether they are footballers, accountants, chefs, IT staff you will have more cash available in the summer, we might have £100-120m of cash available for transfers, however the club might want to hold some of that cash back for the winter transfers

I agree the club will also be getting transfer residual payments in for players like Greenwood, McTominay and others also coming in however at most £20/25m against £93m we owe.

So £70m of that money will be allocated for those players that SJR was quite right, he never bought them but has to pay. That leaves maybe £50m available!
Let’s assume we sell Sancho for £25m and it’s paid upfront, now we have £75m . Rashford and Antony sell for a combined £60m however with instalments of £15m per year for 4 years that now means we have £90m and other smaller transfers generate cash of £10m so the club maybe has £100m of working cash. They will not spend all of that but at most £75-80m and that buys you £150m of players not £250m!

If you buy 5/6 players for £150m then the Upfront Agent fees and signing on fees alone will be £20-25m.

Then you have to actually agree that you can buy all the players on a 3/4 year payment plans which would cost £40/50m of cash this summer as initial first payments for all the new players.

The financial situation of the club is already incredibly perilous without even considering the true financial Implications of paying off ETH and his staff plus Dan Ashworth, both of these are reported to be a combined fee of £14.4m, now some of that expenditure will be moved into 25/26 accounts, maybe even half of the figure.

If that’s not enough to worry about add on the buying out Ruben Amorim and his coaching staff’s contracts for another €11m(£9.25m) which would have been paid in December 24 or January 25 and will definitely go into this years accounts.

Now you see why player sales are so critical and why United want at least one main young player’s sale to be done early in the window and to be paid upfront. I’m convinced either Garnaucho or Mainoo will go for £60/70m providing the buying club pay the payment upfront, if not they will sell Hojlund, Onana and a host of academy players like Wheatley, Amass, Gore and many more.
I agree with you on this tbf. Given the noise around Garnacho in January I’m confident it will be him not Mainoo though.

In short, we’re going to have to make a big decision on selling one of our higher value assets this summer if we want to make the necessary changes to the squad. Of which we don’t have many: Bruno, Garnacho and Mainoo are probably the only players who we could comfortably get £50m+ for.

Garnacho has improved recently moving to the RAM slot but I think he sees himself as an LW and if a decent opportunity presents itself this summer like Napoli, Chelsea or Athletico, I’m pretty sure he’ll take it.
 
RA likes one of his wingbacks to be a winger. He wants them high up the pitch hurting teams, but they also need to be able to bust a gut and get back to help defensively
I get that but it's still different from playing as winger So selling that to a attacker in his prime seems like a tall order to me no matter how we dress it up .