croadyman
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A new manager
We are too tight to buy one out of his contract that is for certain
A new manager
New manager and coaching staff.
In terms of players:
What we need now
Right Winger (We have no threat from this position, Greenwood is not a winger)
Striker (Martial is not good enough for this position, Cavani is only a temporary solution)
Centre Mid (Fred and McTominay shouldn't be first team players, Matic is getting on and is slow and If Pogba leaves then we will need two centre mids)
Centre Back (Since we are stuck with Maguire, Improving on Lindelof/Bailly shouldn't be difficult)
This can wait
Goalkeeper (De Gea is a problem for us but if we improve on the above positions we can still get away with having him, also Henderson should be given a proper chance before wasting a lot of money on a new keeper)
While I do think we need a new midfielder, I think today's game was 100% the opposite. It was the complete lack of anything from Rashford, Greenwood and AWB (Cavani to a lesser extent) that was the problem. It wouldn't have mattered who we had in the deeper midfield positions, the attacking players provided nothing. They didn't move to get into good positions, and when they received the ball in 1v1 positions they either gave it away (Rashford) or turned back and passed it backwards or sideways (Greenwood). We could have had Keane and Scholes in there and not much would have changed, except that Keane probably would have physically assaulted our attackers for that display.
Our forwards regularly aren't in position to receive the ball quickly though. Particularly today. And on days where they aren't performing there's really not much that any deeper midfielder can do to change that unless they can score themselves (which not many do regularly).The problem to me is by the time the ball reached our forwards Crystal Palace were in position and it made it so there wasn't any space to operate in, the front 4 were poor i admit but with Mason and Rashford we have seen better from them and they are young enough to get more consistent, Matic is only going backwards at this point while Fred and McTominay are what they are, workhorses. If we acted like the giant club we are we'd sort multiple issues out this summer, but since we have to prioritise I think a revamp of midfield and a new CB will improve the team, adding a top striker but leaving the rest the same will see us remain a broken unit as we just cannot connect to back to the front well enough or consistently enough.
Our forwards regularly aren't in position to receive the ball quickly though. Particularly today. And on days where they aren't performing there's really not much that any deeper midfielder can do to change that unless they can score themselves (which not many do regularly).
Personally I tend to think the thing we most need is one of our attacking players to bring a balance of creativity, playmaking and scoring. We're desperate for a Hazard/Grealish/Sancho style of winger IMO, somebody who helps the midfield control the game (Sancho probably doesn't do that as much as the other two, but he's younger and I'm hoping grows into that if we do sign him) while also being great with the final ball and scoring a bunch himself. Even if you go back over our great teams we had the likes of Beckham, the older version of Giggs, or Rooney who often played that role for us. They are players who provide a good balance, effectively allowing us to almost play with an extra man in the battle for midfield control while also being fully involved with the attacking threat. These days most teams have increased the amount of control that they try to get in midfield, while we've actually gone the opposite way.
All of the players in our front three are pure forwards (or in the case of James a pure winger) who are really only focused on scoring and assisting. They barely provide any help to the midfield in terms of controlling the game and the tempo. Combine that with Bruno being as risky with his passing as he is, and it's no surprise that we often look unbalanced and struggle to get true control of the game. Obviously the midfield itself could do better and I think we need somebody who bridges the gap between Pogba (good on the ball but not off it) and Matic, Fred and McTominay (good defensively but not good enough to be the main ball-player). I'd say that's probably second to the creative winger though.
I'm a realist. I only need what I can get. United's net transfer outlay in the last 2 seasons has been £80m - £100m. With COVID lockdowns annihilating gate receipts, that may be down to as little as £0 to £60m next summer. So, no money! What to do?
United need to (a) identify clubs who're financially challenged, (b) players we want with contracts ending in summer 2022, (c) players on Bosman's, and (d) United players who aren't core, like: Henderson, Telles, Martial, van de Beek. With all that in mind, United should sign the players on Bosmans who'll be an improvement (Çalhanoğlu?, replacement for Mata). Offer non-core players in part exchange for players we need. Need = starts.
There needs to be a link between the base of midfield and Bruno. So a midfielder who can consistently take the ball on the half turn and play forwards would be a start. Not quite sure why we like to drop one midfielder into CB either but that’s probably for another thread.
Yup, games like last night show we need that little bit of extra guile. Couple him with a better CM option and we’ll control games better and move the ball a lot quicker.Deep lying playmaker.
Someone that can dribble and beat a man from a standing start. Not a world beater but someone who is a threat.
Grealish.
After seeing last night and the fact we can’t buy a goal at the moment, I’m leaning towards we need some different ideas up front and less reliance on Rashford, Bruno etc.Exactly, I've been on this for ages, all the wingers and Haaland's in the world won't help if we don’t fix the quality on the ball from the double pivot. We need 2 CM's and a CB before we worry about any forward additions.
Yeah. Been banging on it for a while but look at the wingers Sir Alex used his entire time here. Kanchelskis, Sharpe, Beckham, giggs, Ronaldo, Nani, Valencia, Young, Park... latter 2 were squad players but they all were direct, fast, tricky, and at a high level (and not #10's playing wide). And a very good balance between left wing and right wing. And all apart from Ronaldo were creators primarily, not wide forwards. I've got no doubt that Sir Alex would Rashford in the Ronaldo mold, but also no doubt that his first priority if he looked at our team would be to instantly sign a creative right winger, most likely Sancho. The frequency at which we fail to create chances has to be addressed, and the midfield has some part to play of course, but more so does the fact that we are ridiculously left side dependent. Our right wing isn't a creative threat from fullback of the wing, neither is it a scoring threat. So everything drifts to the left.After seeing last night and the fact we can’t buy a goal at the moment, I’m leaning towards we need some different ideas up front and less reliance on Rashford, Bruno etc.
After seeing last night and the fact we can’t buy a goal at the moment, I’m leaning towards we need some different ideas up front and less reliance on Rashford, Bruno etc.
They're our key two forwards but they often have a thankless task given the supply line, Bruno ended up drifting into our half to get the ball given how bad the service was into the front 4, I'm not saying the attack doesn't need an addition but given our board I think if we spend mega money in that area we won't fix the core issues, and adding players like Ings or Tammy Abrahams isn't going to elevate us, we need actual upgrades up top.
If teams like Brighton can play better football than us and create more chances with the players they have - we need to stop thinking the solution is always in the market. For a team like Brighton - that’s exactly where it is. They battered Palace for example, as they have done to a number of teams including ours, and lost the game because of lack of quality up front. They would die for an Ings or Tammy. This notion that we need the best players in the world in every position to give a decent account of ourselves needs to stop. All that will happen is we will buy world class players who will come in and look half the player once they arrive - as has been the case for 8 years now.
No matter what we spend - we find ourselves in the same position of saying they aren’t good enough before long. I’m not convinced personnel is as big a problem as is made out anymore.
They would die for a Tammy or Ings because their goal each season is to stay up, if we want to compete for actual trophies we need better, and I get your overall point about the coaching, we do often look clueless and reliant on individual moments of brilliance, but no matter who we have coaching us that midfield still can't pass water and our only proven striker is 34 and injury prone. Also, in fairness to Ole he's not had a single signing of his choosing in midfield, the wing or up top, he wanted Sancho and got 2 kids, he wanted Haaland and got Igalho then Cavani, he wanted Grealish and Bellingham and got Van de Beek, that doesn't happen to Pep or Klopp.
Of course it happens to them. Other coaches don’t just get who they want. What you mean is Ole didn’t get all of his first choices. But HE still signed VDB, nobody forced him on him, same with the rest. Pep wanted Koundé and got Dias and moved on, for example.
It rarely happens to them mate, in Ole's case he didn't get a single first choice and as far as Van de Beek goes, well the way he's used him doesn't suggest to me he wanted him, he just took another body as it was him or nothing. At the end of the day it seems to me you think essentially we need a manager upgrade, yes? If so there's no real argument here as I feel we're just treading water with Ole at this point and while I don’t think any manager could win top trophies with this team, I do think they could implement a better style of play.
I think whether a manager or coaching staff, but we need to get the best of what we have. Right now, we can’t comfortably beat teams of almost any standard. Do we need Mbappé for that? Surely not.
Grealish.
Where do we start.
De Jong (Barca skint)
Varane for Pogba
Sancho or Grealish
Is me dreaming. But could be doable.
Things we definitely need
Top Striker (Ideally Halaand)
RW (Especially if we don't sign a top Striker)
CM/CDM (One with brilliant long passing if Pogba leaves)
CB ( Preferably fast)
Obviously impossible for a club like our to do this all in one season. This summer assuming we keep Pogba the CB and Halaand would be good imo.
If Pogba goes that CM will have to be signed though cause our midfield would be so poor in the passing department.
Things we probably need long term
Better manager/coaches
Backup Right Back
Ole has some tough calls to make with Cavani injured again and Martial not scoring as well as the fact we have no proper holder and nobody in midfield that can pass bar Pogba. On top of that the winger has become much more important as Rashford is going to have his shoulder operation after the Euros so it could be Christmas before he's back. All of that and there's the need for a CB as well.......
I think Pogba wants to leave but covid might scupper his plans and if we can get him on a 3 year contract extension with a look to selling him in 2022 it would be best all round, otherwise we'd need 2 midfielders.
Yeah I think COVID will scupper his hopes of a move for the second summer in a row, like you say with Eddy starting to look a bit too injury prone then we may well need to push a ST right up the priority list. I think the absolute maximum we can get in the window is two which I can see being CB & RW/ST.