What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

I hope now that we have a reasonably strong first team, we can become a bit more strategic with our player purchases so we don't end up having to spend €50mn+ for every player we want to buy in the near future. Would like to think we could look at the age profile of our first team and target young players with the potential to break into the first team when current players begin their decline.

We should probably be looking for Varane, Casemiro, Bruno and Shaw successors now rather when their downfalls begin. Target the very best young talent out their in those positions. Even at RW, by buying a kid like the Brazilian Estevao, as something tells me that Antony is going to become a limiting factor for us with his lack of attacking threat.

I saw a video from Tifo football and they made the argument that our team from last season won't go on to win anything because they're too old. By the time the team has improved enough, the likes of Varane and Casemiro will need to be replaced anyway.

Still we could get the players who'll replace them now rather than wait 3 years for them to cost twice as much.
 
I hope now that we have a reasonably strong first team, we can become a bit more strategic with our player purchases so we don't end up having to spend €50mn+ for every player we want to buy in the near future. Would like to think we could look at the age profile of our first team and target young players with the potential to break into the first team when current players begin their decline.

We should probably be looking for Varane, Casemiro, Bruno and Shaw successors now rather when their downfalls begin. Target the very best young talent out their in those positions. Even at RW, by buying a kid like the Brazilian Estevao, as something tells me that Antony is going to become a limiting factor for us with his lack of attacking threat.

Yeah the searching needs to start in next window,the fact journos aren't talking about signing CB in this window much suggests they aren't confident that Maguire will be sold
 
For the moment, Amrabat to provide assistance to Casemiro. Mainoo has a long, long career ahead of him.

If Levy breaks down on September 1 , bring in Kane. We’ll find the money somewhere.
 
For the moment, Amrabat to provide assistance to Casemiro. Mainoo has a long, long career ahead of him.

If Levy breaks down on September 1 , bring in Kane. We’ll find the money somewhere.

Would be absolutely staggered if they don't finally get this over the line next week unfortunately
 
Yeah the searching needs to start in next window,the fact journos aren't talking about signing CB in this window much suggests they aren't confident that Maguire will be sold
Sell Maguire and get Sutalo. We will regret this one if we are not in the conversation.
 
I'm shocked we addressed CM, GK and CF with long term options. Love to see it. Don't really expect anything else this summer, very happy with it but next steps would be replacing Maguire with a younger but long term Varane replacement who can cover now and is strong in possession, replace McTominay with a younger but long term Casemiro successor who can cover now (but looking like it'll be Amrabat so not quite the right age profile but not bad anyway), find a right back to be the guy and get rid of whoever we don't want as I'm not convinced in either. Getting another CF who can be a strong impact sub but without drastically changing our system or competition with Hojlund to replace Martial (probably more experienced guy for this).

That's the first rebuild done. From there, we have a starting 11 and depth that suits the manager, and it's about getting it to work. Anything past that is replacing players who just didn't live up to the hype and weren't quite good enough.
 
We need a world class striker, world class right back, world class winger, world class cb, world class b2b. Nothing a Qatari takeover couldn't sort out.
 
I saw a video from Tifo football and they made the argument that our team from last season won't go on to win anything because they're too old. By the time the team has improved enough, the likes of Varane and Casemiro will need to be replaced anyway.

Still we could get the players who'll replace them now rather than wait 3 years for them to cost twice as much.
Tifo may have a point in general but they’re not aware of our academy
 
Tifo may have a point in general but they’re not aware of our academy
Think the odds based on historical trends would suggest if we get two top performers like Garnacho and Kobbie in successive seasons, we are probably over performing already and the academy is unlikely to produce another senior star or two from this generation.
 
A proven goal scorer is still missing, despite Rasmus and perhaps a RB who is well versed in the way ETH wants to play
 
Yeah the searching needs to start in next window,the fact journos aren't talking about signing CB in this window much suggests they aren't confident that Maguire will be sold
Heard talk that there is a chance they might sign Johnny Evans beyond just pre-season. Arguably Maguire is 5th choice now so selling him and having Evans cover that for a season is probably managable.

We could probably survive a season without a new CB although I imagine if we could have made it work we would have brought in Kim. For as good as Varane is he does seem to pick up a few knocks here and there and is eventually going to need replacing. So next season a CB and I really just want a midfielder like a Pogba but one that works.
I miss having a midfielder that can carry the ball out of midfield beat people, have people bouncing off him and just drive forward. A McT but with more ability please.
 
If we let go of McFred this window, then Amrabat & Mainoo as their replacements would be good so can see why we are in for him if we feel confident that we will get the fees we want for both McTominay & Fred.

I agree, I would like another striker as we are still sort in that area unless Greenwood is going to be given that opportunity if he returns? Which is why I don’t think we will sign another one in this window as got a feeling that the club is going to give Greenwood an opportunity to redeem himself. We probably need another back up GK (although I’d rather we give that role to Kovar who has impressed me very much in his pre-season outings, but I reckon he wants to be a number one).

It's clear our summer transfers are almost finished. Maybe a midfielder and a really young striker for the academy and that's it.

If that's the board's intention, why don't they let him train with the squad?
 
Hope we get Amrabat. Having someone who can play with Casemiro in tougher games and instead of him when required would be great.

Beyond that I imagine we're done and then I hope (if all goes to plan) it'll be more tweaks than anything for a while moving forward. But this season will give us more of an answer to that.
 
I read somewhere that after the Hojlund deal, we are looking at up to 4 more signings. I presume they are thinking Amrabat, and my guess for the others are a second keeper (we were after Suzuki, but looks like he is not coming, so I guess we will stick with Kovar), a centre back if Maguire leaves (Disasi was linked, but just heard Chelsea have agreed a fee, so it may be Jonny Evans making a comeback if Maguire does go) and I think the final position is a cheap option for cover at number 9 if we could find a buyer for Martial and a loan for Greenwood (I would love to see what Gift Orban could do, buy realistically I think Martial's wages price out all buyers, and we may keep Greenwood as another striker). Talk about Frimpong, and right back in general, has gone quiet, so that might be another one for next year. So in summary, ideally we would sell a few more players and bring in replacements, but I think Amrabat will be the last player to join this window.
 
Said much earlier in the thread we needed at least 7signings and 10-15 out to genuinely progress towards challenging. Changed my opinion on a right back as Bissake is genuinely improving and Dalot is obviously staying too.

Though not the players I would have chosen, happy with the window so far, we have addressed the main areas we have needed to strengthen the first eleven, but our squad undeneath still needs improving.

We need a second keeper, second centre back, second striker and maybe two midfielders....but dont all need to be signed.

I think the ideal second striker is Greenwood if he comes back, otherwise disagree with the general "sign an experienced veteran"...we should still be looking long term with all signings, someone like Oban at £20m odd would be good, its all dependant on Greenwood. But having a second striker not called Martial is our biggest remaining priority for m in terms of the squad.

Th second is a centre back. There are concerns for Varane beign a year older ho many games he will play and Lindelof simply isnt and hasnt been consistently good enough to play 20+ games if we are competing at the top, too many flaws and too average all round, of course Maguire really should go too....I actualyl think he is a good centre back, but he doesnt suit the system and of course he has been poor here. Dont want Disasi who I think is hugely over rated and we dotn need to spend £50m on a second defender. But the likes of Bella Kotchap, Lukeba, Todiba all have huge potential and £20-30m is very reasonable for them.

As for the two midfielders. I like Arambat, but only seen him in the world cup and latter rounds of the Europa, he has looked good but.....I dont actually think we need to sign any more cm even if we sell McFred and VDB. Casermeiro/Mount/Fernandes is a good starting eleven, I personally think Mainoo/Hannibal/Eriksen is a great second string, inexperienced two of them, but they have all the tools to be stars in those two roles, they suit them better than McFred and those first three shouldnt miss so many games, would rather we invest elsewhere if there are limited funds now than cm.

As for the second choice keeper, liedk the yotube videos of SIzuki, but really ot a huge priroity, just a good cheap second choice all that is needed.

What is still needed. I said 10-15 out, so far we have moved on Tuanzabe, Jones, DeGea who all had to go....wages saved but no money bought in, bar Elanga though the other exits wer peanuts.

Henderson, Williams, Maguire, VDB, Fred, McTominay, Martial....there should be somewhere around £100m in sales there, that for me is enough money to complete what we need to do purchase wise this window without addig to the net spend....lowering it considerably more like
 
I'm looking at the evolution of the team and where it might be after this coming season and what it might take to be a genuine title challenger and obviously a lot depends on how the new players settle but i still think the right side of the team looks the weakest. I like Antony and i think he has a lot of good qualities but his goals and assist tally has to improve. Similarly i like AWB and Dalot but neither are world class/elite level and i don't think either can match the level Shaw was at last season or what he's capable of.

Still a bit to go but i think we're on the right track.
 
I'm looking at the evolution of the team and where it might be after this coming season and what it might take to be a genuine title challenger and obviously a lot depends on how the new players settle but i still think the right side of the team looks the weakest. I like Antony and i think he has a lot of good qualities but his goals and assist tally has to improve. Similarly i like AWB and Dalot but neither are world class/elite level and i don't think either can match the level Shaw was at last season or what he's capable of.

Still a bit to go but i think we're on the right track.
What would be really good is a natural finisher on the right who is great with both feet. We have exactly that in Greenwood :lol:
 
Updated in light of summer business. Club's long-term needs to challenge regularly on all fronts again:

RB. (Still need a complete RB that can give us high level of production both going forward and defensively).

CB. (Varane's already slowing down. Might need two depending on Lindelof's form going forward).

2 CMs who can control games with their passing. (Self explanatory. If we cannot control games, we will not challenge regularly for titles.)

2nd CF. (Depth and competition for Hojlund. Might not need one if Greenwood is brought back and continues on the trajectory he was on before his suspension.)

2 real wingers. (Depends on Antony and Sancho's progress this season but we need wingers who can produce consistently at or near Rashford's level. Great wingers have always been crucial to great teams. Especially at United.)
 
Short Term
(Summer and Winter Transfer window )
New owners
DM/CM - S Amrabat
AM/Versatile Attacker - J Felix(loan), Neymar(loan), Valverde(Loan)
CFW (I Toney, O Watkins)

Mid Term
(Summer 24- winter 26)
Young CB
Attacking Right Back
Right winger
Best young attacking midfielder coming through
New stadium started development
 
I think it would be smart/sneaky to bring back Greenwood for not only the obvious reasons, but the absolute flak he will take from fans/media will be a massive shield for bedding in all the new signings. I think Hojlund could have a really positive start if Greenwood was floating around, he'd be our good guy golden boy etc
 
I think it would be smart/sneaky to bring back Greenwood for not only the obvious reasons, but the absolute flak he will take from fans/media will be a massive shield for bedding in all the new signings. I think Hojlund could have a really positive start if Greenwood was floating around, he'd be our good guy golden boy etc
Wow that is sneaky! However it may badly backfire and disrupt the whole squad. I think MG is done here.
 
The immediate holes I see are a lack of striker support for Hojlund, we seem to be going with a variety of stop gap options and Martial whenever he gets on the pitch. Not ideal but it is workable and will probably have to be.

CM lacks certain profiles which Amrabat would address. Very little defensive tactical solutions or ball progression within our current batch. Only really Eriksen and Casemiro who are both aging.

Longer term:

I think RB is a potential weakness. It was never a big priority for this window but when you look at the first XI and think of the easiest position to upgrade it is probably this. We have two okay options, but neither you would hang your hat on.

CB competition. I think you need 3 quality centre backs at the least. I'd say we have two, one of which is injury prone. Lindelof is okay but Lindelof and Maguire as stand ins doesn't quite convince.

Aside from that I think it looks reasonable as a squad and our needs should develop depending on how people perform.
 
The immediate holes I see are a lack of striker support for Hojlund, we seem to be going with a variety of stop gap options and Martial whenever he gets on the pitch. Not ideal but it is workable and will probably have to be.

CM lacks certain profiles which Amrabat would address. Very little defensive tactical solutions or ball progression within our current batch. Only really Eriksen and Casemiro who are both aging.

Longer term:

I think RB is a potential weakness. It was never a big priority for this window but when you look at the first XI and think of the easiest position to upgrade it is probably this. We have two okay options, but neither you would hang your hat on.

CB competition. I think you need 3 quality centre backs at the least. I'd say we have two, one of which is injury prone. Lindelof is okay but Lindelof and Maguire as stand ins doesn't quite convince.

Aside from that I think it looks reasonable as a squad and our needs should develop depending on how people perform.

Think if Erik feels he isn't getting enough from AWB/Dalot then could prioritise a RB in January

There is still a chance of a CB in this window if we sell Maguire but this could also now go to the next window too.
 
Assuming we close out Amrabat this summer the areas i see us needing to address are:

RCB - Ousmane Diomandé. Incredible baller at CB. Our backline would be worldclass playing out with someone like him able to pass or dribble out along with Onana, Licha, and Lukey. Varane has great moments but unfortunately it's virtually impossible to rely on him playing an entire season at this stage.

RB - AWB and Dalot showed improvements at different stages last season but I think we'll ultimately have to upgrade this position. No obvious candidates but another year an outstanding talent may emerge. Alexander Bah looks good but after Telles I'm suspicious of Portuguese based full backs.

DM - Redondo, Andre Trinidade, Oscar Zambrano or Fabricio Diaz. Choose your fighter.

RW - Estevao Willian is only 16 but I think he might be in the same category as Vitor Roque/Endrick although unlike those guys he plays out wide. I like him because he's a complete one on one specialist and I really think its a profile we could benefit from as none of our players really have that in their locker. Supposed to be the best Brazilian dribbler since Neymar. Ultimately, I'm not sure Antony/Amad will give us elite attacking production and we will need to introduce that to the team if we are to challenge for major honours.

AM - Bruno will be turning 30 and his real decline is probably a little off but probably time to start planning for his succession. Florian Wirtz would be amazing but he's probably a bit too far along in his development to be a back up until Bruno is shot. Arda Guler was the one I wanted but he's gone to Real. Maybe an Echeverri.
 
Assuming we close out Amrabat this summer the areas i see us needing to address are:

RCB - Ousmane Diomandé. Incredible baller at CB. Our backline would be worldclass playing out with someone like him able to pass or dribble out along with Onana, Licha, and Lukey. Varane has great moments but unfortunately it's virtually impossible to rely on him playing an entire season at this stage.

RB - AWB and Dalot showed improvements at different stages last season but I think we'll ultimately have to upgrade this position. No obvious candidates but another year an outstanding talent may emerge. Alexander Bah looks good but after Telles I'm suspicious of Portuguese based full backs.

DM - Redondo, Andre Trinidade, Oscar Zambrano or Fabricio Diaz. Choose your fighter.

RW - Estevao Willian is only 16 but I think he might be in the same category as Vitor Roque/Endrick although unlike those guys he plays out wide. I like him because he's a complete one on one specialist and I really think its a profile we could benefit from as none of our players really have that in their locker. Supposed to be the best Brazilian dribbler since Neymar. Ultimately, I'm not sure Antony/Amad will give us elite attacking production and we will need to introduce that to the team if we are to challenge for major honours.

AM - Bruno will be turning 30 and his real decline is probably a little off but probably time to start planning for his succession. Florian Wirtz would be amazing but he's probably a bit too far along in his development to be a back up until Bruno is shot. Arda Guler was the one I wanted but he's gone to Real. Maybe an Echeverri.

Should we be looking for January or next summer at addressing any of these issues
 
I would like to see a more experienced striker brought in.
A cdm to cover for Casemiro...who is getting long in the tooth.

Down the road:
Another centerback, and a new full back on the right. (Dalot is okay, but I think the club can do better)
Hopefully Mason Mount works out.
 
Should we be looking for January or next summer at addressing any of these issues
They're mostly strategic signings so can largely wait. Diomande will cost a fortune too and is a blue chip player. With the others, try to pick up as and when are available at the right price but be planning for it now. Chelsea's transfer policy is being criticised a lot but they're stockpiling some of the world's elite underage talent. I'd like if United could challenge them on that front.
 
In a realistic world I think we’re done now. If we make some sales Amrabat will come in but that’s likely it. We had 3 major areas of weakness which we’ve addressed - I’m unsure on Mount as a CM, Hojlund is raw but Onana should be a very positive immediate upgrade. So far ETH has been superb with transfers so I’m fully behind him and think we will start the season well.
 
They're mostly strategic signings so can largely wait. Diomande will cost a fortune too and is a blue chip player. With the others, try to pick up as and when are available at the right price but be planning for it now. Chelsea's transfer policy is being criticised a lot but they're stockpiling some of the world's elite underage talent. I'd like if United could challenge them on that front.

We need takeover sorted to compete on that
 
In a realistic world I think we’re done now. If we make some sales Amrabat will come in but that’s likely it. We had 3 major areas of weakness which we’ve addressed - I’m unsure on Mount as a CM, Hojlund is raw but Onana should be a very positive immediate upgrade. So far ETH has been superb with transfers so I’m fully behind him and think we will start the season well.

Yeah I know he's an unfashionable name but thinking having him alongside Casemiro would be a real lift for the big games
 
How do we line up now? I think the defense and attack picks itself. Probably the midfield too?

..................... Onana ...................
AWB - Varane - Martinez - Shaw
................. Casemiro ..................
............. Bruno - Mount ..............
.. Antony - Højlund - Rashford ..
I love the look of that. 2 industrious number 10's behind that delicious looking front 3.

If Sancho can pull his finger out this season it would be even sweeter.
 
I love the look of that. 2 industrious number 10's behind that delicious looking front 3.

If Sancho can pull his finger out this season it would be even sweeter.

Still could add Amrabat for that mix of extra steel away from home and that DLP when facing teams who just sit in at Old Trafford
 
How do we line up now? I think the defense and attack picks itself. Probably the midfield too?

..................... Onana ...................
AWB - Varane - Martinez - Shaw
................. Casemiro ..................
............. Bruno - Mount ..............
.. Antony - Højlund - Rashford ..

And then Lindelöf, Dalot, Malacia, Eriksen, Sancho and Garnacho would be the most utilized subs, barring no new signings?
Second XI would be along the lines of:

...............Heaton/Kovar..................
Dalot - Evans - Lindelof - Malacia
............Mainoo/Amrabat...............
............Eriksen - Sancho................
........MG - Martial - Garnacho........

This would allow Henderson, Maguire, Bailly, Williams, Fred, Mctominay, VDB, Amad and Pellestri to all leave.