A recession happens every so often.
What did Hillary do wrong and what's next for her?
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Which they do, they have every right to, but the poor people who voted for Trump and are having their family members deported or losing their healthcare coverage gets no sympathy whatsoever.
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Which part of either of those post do you have a problem with?
Which part of either of those post do you have a problem with?
The part where you delight in punishing poor people, often with death, for an economic and political system over which they have almost no control.
We are due one fairly soon since we are in the 10th year of the business cycle.
If you propel a subsantial core of your own voter base to either stay at home or vote third party then that simply makes you unelectable, especially if you're vehemently despised by your opponent's voting base and even independents.
The fact she got more popular votes than Trump is nothing to write home about considering who her opponent was. The fact she ultimately lost against him (even if its by a fine margin) only testaments how toxic she was as a candidate.
And I don't agree with this either. The biggest problem for Hillary wasn't Trump being overly appealling to the 'deplorables', but rather how she herself wasn't even appealling to a large core of her own voting base. If you aren't able to swing some votes from the other team or independents, then at the very least make sure you've convinced your own base. If anything, Trump should have been an easier opponent considering how he'd probably alienated a considerable numer of moderate Republicans.
That was her fundamental problem. She neither energized the base like Sanders did, nor connect with sufficient independents like her spouse did.
Exactly. Not to mention how she fit the perfect archetype for the elite establishment politician at a time where the political landscape was ripe for populism and antiestablishmentarianism on both sides of the political spectrum.
How does wishing for the inevitable recession to arrive slightly sooner equate to ‘punishing poor people with death’?
She didn’t get substantially less votes than the very electable Obama. I agree that she’s not the best candidate to win a US election, but that doesn’t make her ‘unelectable’
Well, what happened has been debated to death in the last 18 months or so.
We all have our views and numerous factors were in play.
Also lost in all of this is that she is a very uncomfortable politician. She herself has conceded that she prefers the policy wonk side of actually governing over the pomp and ceremony of going through political campaigns. That sort of thing tends to show when a person is campaigning. If you look at both Sanders and Trump, they both seemed to relish the act of campaigning and giving speeches. Hillary not so much.
I agree that she’s not the best candidate to win an election
Very much so, she clearly doesn’t enjoy doing rallies. One would have thought her husband would have been giving her lots of insights.
Trump also saw a subsantial increase in the popular vote compared to the previous Republican candidate who faced Obama, and third party candidates also saw a large increase of votes. If she didn't scare away independents or even her own base she would have likely won. The fact she evidently did makes her objectively unelectable.
Hindsight is such a wonderful thing. This time 2 years ago everyone believed that she’d win at a canter.
Now apparently it’s obvious that she’s always been unelectable.
She was definitely electable, but her inability to push a message that connected with both her base and enough independents was definitely an issue. Had she galvanized just one of those two categories, she would've won and at a minimum, starved Trump's ability to get enough independents to take the EC.
That I very much agree with, she didn’t make enough ‘sound bites’ for those who don’t follow politics closely.
She is unelectable now. Back then it was within the margin of error, but yes everybody sane believed she would win.
She is currently polling very badly and I don’t think she’d run again, but that could all change very quickly.
Hopefully Messi dies in a plane crash by the next Ballon d'or cycle.
A fecking 5 year old boy.
A fecking 5 year old boy.
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Wait, surely this isn't a thing is it? Hillary running again?
No fecking way, 0 chance. This thread should be locked and sent to Hell.
You'd think not, but I wouldn't put it past the out of touch joke that is the DNC to propel her for another run just to stop a Sanders-like (or perhaps Sanders himself) from running.
I'm sure the DNC will do everything in their power to prevent a Bernie presidency, but no way they gonna use Hillary in that plan.
A recession will happen sooner or later, equating that to wishing someone dying in a plane crash?
His username doesn't need the "o".
Tim Ryan has been meeting with wall street and telling people he will run for president I think the intercept reported the other day. About as inspirational as Hillary I guess.
Ryan will be as successful as Jeb! if he runs.
There is no desire among the GOP base for a Randian neo conservative. They even prefer a Cuban slimeball like Lyin' Ted over the 'salt of the earth, principled conservative' John Kasich.
We should just face the facts. Trump is what they want, he is the face and soul of the current Republican party. He got 85% of them behind him even after fellating someone who was their mortal enemy just a few years prior, in front of the whole world.
There is no desire among the GOP base for a Randian neo conservative. They even prefer a Cuban slimeball like Lyin' Ted over the 'salt of the earth, principled conservative' John Kasich.
We should just face the facts. Trump is what they want, he is the face and soul of the current Republican party. He got 85% of them behind him even after fellating someone who was their mortal enemy just a few years prior, in front of the whole world.
We should call it what it is. It's a cult at this point and there is no reasoning with cultists. It will come down to the rest of the nation being pissed of at Trump enough to vote him out of office in two years, his followers will vote for him again I have no doubt.
So the Dems better not feck up their nomination like last time.
Who is this mystery person that the Dems can nominate who won’t check it up?
Sanders - he’s not even a Dem
Biden - his age is an issue
Hillary - more than enough been said
Warren - lacks the name recognition and funding
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I won't deny that their lack of great candidates is a problem. Sanders or Warren would probably my choice but Sanders again will most likely lack the support of the DNC again and Warren like you said hasn't got the same pull to her name as Sanders for example. On the other hand maybe they can find a political outsider who isn't bat shit crazy and can still create a massive pull, especially with the younger voters. That being said I totally see this being a huge problem for them.
I think that's probably true, but just proposing plans like it move the conversation in the right direction.
There's an interesting article in the NYTimes by liberal constitutional lawyers that say the required wealth tax wouldn't be constitutional.
Hillary can be accused of a great many things, but stupid really isn't one of them.
shes stupid enough to lose to a rapist with dementia
You have to call Hillary stupid if you consider how she ran her two campaigns.