They actually both won trophies... Maybe show a little gratitude for that?
Lets see how many trophies Solksjaer's reign brings Utd...
And you will just have to get used to us never playing in the champions league again. I wont even mention winning the league. 5th will be a miracle.What's your point? That just because a manager failed at one club he can't be a success at another. Very convenient to dismiss the LvG and Mourinho appointments to fit your narrative. You'll just have to get used to it. Solskjaer is staying at United and Poch is staying at his beloved Spurs.
And you will just have to get used to us never playing in the champions league again. I wont even mention winning the league. 5th will be a miracle.
Fitness will ensure the players have the gas tank to implement a high intensity style fair enough but the big question in my head is still what is the high intensity style being implemented? Without one it's a means without an end.
Listen mate, I was buzzing for the Europa League win but that means jack to a lot of fans on here. They both got the sack because they ultimately sucked ass. You talk about showing gratitude but Solskjaer is being dismissed after FIVE fecking months and he hasn't even had chance to sign a single player yet.
Let's see how many trophies Solskjaer's reign brings??? How about looking at what Poch has done in 5 years?
Are you going to give Solskjaer 5 years?
Apart from giving us some of the best football we've had in the last 6 years? He's culturally woven into the club, he knows what being a United player takes. You'd do well to remember it was Mourinho who took us backwards, Solskjær came in and tried to rectify it but couldn't in the end, to which there is no shame as no one could have done any better.What has Ole shown to justify being the man to guide one of the biggest clubs in the world?? Absolutely nothing. We’ve gone backwards & got worse since he’s taken over.
It’s embarrassing to me that some of our fans are blinded by the fact Ole is a former legend of ours which somehow automatically means he should get lots of time & multiple transfer windows despite no signs at all that this is a smart move.
That’s embarrassing
Wasting your time lad, some whoppers in this thread.Listen mate, I was buzzing for the Europa League win but that means jack to a lot of fans on here. They both got the sack because they ultimately sucked ass. You talk about showing gratitude but Solskjaer is being dismissed after FIVE fecking months and he hasn't even had chance to sign a single player yet.
Let's see how many trophies Solskjaer's reign brings??? How about looking at what Poch has done in 5 years?
Are you going to give Solskjaer 5 years?
I love it when people make stuff up so they can be angry about it and treat it as a fact....and you're basing that on what?? Dear Lord!
Ok, calm down.
I was for the sacking of Mourinho and LvG - in fact I think both were kept on for too long.
My point is that to say they 'sucked ass', is fine - if you're going to hold Solskjaer to the same standard...
They both won trophies (multiple in Mourinho's case), they both beat big club rivals in important games.
If they both 'sucked ass', then that is the standard that you must hold Solskjaer to. Otherwise it's hypocritical.
I'm with you on that mate. I completely agree. All I'm saying is you can't say that after 5 months before a season has started. If we're shite at the end of the season, I'll also be looking for Solskjaer to go and he will also have sucked ass. That's all. People are just panicking for no reason at this time.
Apart from giving us some of the best football we've had in the last 6 years? He's culturally woven into the club, he knows what being a United player takes. You'd do well to remember it was Mourinho who took us backwards, Solskjær came in and tried to rectify it but couldn't in the end, to which there is no shame as no one could have done any better.
To judge anyone's United managerial career in the space of 6 months just shows a lack of maturity.
No one is backing Ole because he's a club legend, that's your misconception because that's all you see in him. The rest of us see a bright young manager who has potential and knows what direction to take the club.
You'd also be one of those calling for Klopp or Pochettino to go after 6 months if we'd have signed one of them years ago so you wouldn't really know a thing about giving a manager chance to improve a team.
Weird sentence.
Disorganized play isn't something new, we didn't even have an organized defense under Jose never mind or attacking football.
Our fitness levels have been debated on here for quite some time. The excuse (and I generally believed it to be the case as well) was that our sprint stats, distance covered etc, was generally down to the football we were playing and not an accurate display of player fitness. Now that we've tried to play more aggressive football, introducing a lot more sprints and trying to win the ball higher up the pitch, followed by a shedload of injuries related to fatigue, it's safe to say that fitness levels are a major concern. It was mentioned early on, not when things started to go tits up, and it was also debated heavily around the period we went to Dubai.
It's hardly a surprise, or problem, that fitness levels are being mentioned, as it's most certainly a part of the problem.
If Ole manages to implement the type of football that he wants at United remains to be seen, his ideas might be too naive for the Premier League, but improving the fitness is a major part of that.
Best football in 6 years..I mean wow that’s delusional. We’ve not even looked that good when winning games let alone the depressing losses in the last 3 months.
Re the initial start. I thought our good play actually tailed off after 3 or so games. I remember because I posted same concern at the time that the fancy play seemed to be wearing off. Was pro-Ole but that was when my reservations on the homeymoon started to creep in and it really just snowballed from there. After the first few games don't think I saw many other instances of good play other than that sumptuous counter against Arsenal that deserved a goal at the end of it. May be getting the timeline mixed up but after the Tottenham win, Ole seemed to fall in love with sitting backI thought the initial start at United gave a decent glimpse into what he wants to achieve. Building from the back, players keeping width in order to make central midfield less congested so that the likes of Pogba gets more space to operate in, more freedom for the attacking players up front in terms of not having to come as deep as before so that they can attack together. Generally try to position the team high up the pitch, attacking trio that works together to set a high line trying to force mistakes from the opposition while building from the back, win the ball back as quickly as possible after losing it. There's plenty of matches with decent examples of what he wants to achieve, the problem is maintaining it or finding a middle ground that works.
We're talking 6 months and we've gone from a style where the objective was more or less to allow the opposition to have the ball and wait for them to make a mistake with it and then take advantage, with a battering ram up front.
It took Pep and Klopp quite some time, and money, to establish a combination that actually worked. 6 months with no pre-season isn't exactly a lot.
Then again, I'm perfectly happy to admit I have my concerns when it comes to Ole being able to improve things, I was surprised he was given the interim job in the first place and thought even that was a bit of a gamble, but I don't agree that he doesn't have a style and that we haven't seen any indication of how he wants us to play, the major concern if he's able to get us there or if he's far too naive for this level of football.
You conveniently left out the "some of the best" part. Is it really delusional? Care to point out numerous examples of when the football has been better during that time period?Best football in 6 years..I mean wow that’s delusional. We’ve not even looked that good when winning games let alone the depressing losses in the last 3 months.
Good manager knows the limitations of his own players and adapt.
You might get tired playing high press, but even tired teams still functions 8 out of 10 times. We failed to function for the last 15 games. I dont buy fitness excuse, 20 teams playing 38 games how come we're the only one having fitness problem?
You have a very short memory, that much is clear.Best football in 6 years..I mean wow that’s delusional. We’ve not even looked that good when winning games let alone the depressing losses in the last 3 months.
‘culturally woven into the club’ I mean we shouldn’t be hiring managers because they’ve played for us. Was Pep or Klopp ‘culturally woven into the club’?
We need to grow up & stop being a sentimental club & pick a fresh manager with an actual identity. All we’ve seen is us going backwards under Ole..So again your delusional thinking it’ll get better just because.
Also I do know a thing about giving managers time (thanks for assuming I don’t though- as if you know me- your love for Ole is clouding your judgement) I actually would have given LVG more time as with better players more suited to his system I could see us doing well as we had an identify under him. Under Ole I don’t see anything or any plan- similar to Moyes
He's can't and won't because it's been gash for fecking ages.You conveniently left out the "some of the best" part. Is it really delusional? Care to point out numerous examples of when the football has been better during that time period?
Re the initial start. I thought our good play actually tailed off after 3 or so games. I remember because I posted same concern at the time that the fancy play seemed to be wearing off. Was pro-Ole but that was when my reservations on the homeymoon started to creep in and it really just snowballed from there. After the first few games don't think I saw many other instances of good play other than that sumptuous counter against Arsenal that deserved a goal at the end of it. May be getting the timeline mixed up but after the Tottenham win, Ole seemed to fall in love with sitting back
That period was just the players happy to prove Mourinho wrong. The players that improved and made the hole team play better were the players that had to prove something. Ole had just arrived and couldn't of possibly managed to transform anything. It was the players trying to prove a point which they did.
When they realized Ole was getting the credit for that and that he had just been given a three year contract based on their improved performances they lost all motivation again.
For the rest of the games we just had a bunch of unmotivated players and I dont blame them.
Ole as manager is a mistake.
It was not. Results wise of course it was but our football was quite crap to be fair. Extremely counter attacking based football with no intent of controlling the ball and relying on pure luck. It worked for a couple months but anyone with their eyes open could see it's not sustainable. Our performances with Ole are so overrated that I doubt some of you watched our games and checked the scores only instead.That run from when Ole took over to the PSG game WAS the best period of football since Fergie left, hands down! If you honestly believe that the football under Moyes, LvG or Mourinho was any better than that, then I mean wow that's delusional!
Is possession based football the only football regarded as 'good' now? There are other ways to play the game. Fergie made a living out of it but it's not sustainable now?It was not. Results wise of course it was but our football was quite crap to be fair. Extremely counter attacking based football with no intent of controlling the ball and relying on pure luck. It worked for a couple months but anyone with their eyes open could see it's not sustainable. Our performances with Ole are so overrated that I doubt some of you watched our games and checked the scores only instead.
No, never said that. But we struggled a lot even in our legendary run of wins and we were crap when in possession, heavily relying on our opponents leaving space for us to exploit.Is possession based football the only football regarded as 'good' now? There are other ways to play the game. Fergie made a living out of it but it's not sustainable now?
Not sure why some underestimate fatigue, as if it's some sort of a unicorn, an issue that doesn't really exist.
You conveniently left out the "some of the best" part. Is it really delusional? Care to point out numerous examples of when the football has been better during that time period?
You don't get points for having +60% possession, you get points for putting the ball in the back of the net. That's exactly what counter attacking football is, you sit deep and wait for a break to exploit. Out of all the tactical fads to come and go, counter attack has always been relevant.No, never said that. But we struggled a lot even in our legendary run of wins and we were crap when in possession, heavily relying on our opponents leaving space for us to exploit.
You have a very short memory, that much is clear.
Solskjær hasn't even been given a chance yet and you want him sacked because you believe the appointment is sentimental. That's about as knee jerk as it gets. Why don't you give Bayern a call and tell them to stop what they're doing, it's sentimental, same over at Barcelona, don't forget Madrid too.
You'd also do well to realise that Klopp and Pochettino are in their 4th years, going into their 5th years as manager but then again, with your selective amnesia you won't remember how rough it was for them and the teams they inherited, nor would it suit your narrative.
But yeah, let's start sacking managers after 6 months in charge because we're too 'sentimental'. Cringe doesn't even cover it.
I don't have to defend my stance to you, most sane people know that Solskjær should be given the season, you're just a man shouting at a cloud because you don't know what else to do.
It was not. Results wise of course it was but our football was quite crap to be fair. Extremely counter attacking based football with no intent of controlling the ball and relying on pure luck. It worked for a couple months but anyone with their eyes open could see it's not sustainable. Our performances with Ole are so overrated that I doubt some of you watched our games and checked the scores only instead.
It's definitely not 50/50, you're a minority of 20/80 max but you shout the loudest and stick to negative threads like this which become a circle jerk of wallowing in self pity that you're the only ones that have spotted something the rest of us apparently haven't.I think you think it’s just me thinking Ole isn’t the man for the job..I’d say the fan base is 50/50 to be honest as many actually look at the reality & performances.
I guess under your way of thinking we should have kept Moyes longer as sacking someone soon is ‘cringe’ ok. That’s your point of view but for a lot of people it isn’t
It was not. Results wise of course it was but our football was quite crap to be fair. Extremely counter attacking based football with no intent of controlling the ball and relying on pure luck. It worked for a couple months but anyone with their eyes open could see it's not sustainable. Our performances with Ole are so overrated that I doubt some of you watched our games and checked the scores only instead.
Manchester United consistently getting results despite opponents having equal or better chances is setting the stage for a fascinating turn of events. Ole would be smart to turn down the job of regular manager & have this unlikely spell define his reputation.
LVG comprehensively beating City at home & Liverpool away. Our Europa league run was good too
I know what counter attacking football is. I am saying that even during our run when everyone was blindly singing "Ole's at the wheel" our performance levels were very questionable but the results have masked it. We were pretty much never convincing and usually gave away match control to opposition, blindly hoping we will score from a counter. Worked for some time but as I said, it was never ever sustainable as we relied on 100% converting our chances and hoping opposition will waste them. Our performances with Ole are hugely overrated, I don't think we improved at all in this area since Jose was sacked.You don't get points for having +60% possession, you get points for putting the ball in the back of the net. That's exactly what counter attacking football is, you sit deep and wait for a break to exploit. Out of all the tactical fads to come and go, counter attack has always been relevant.
The same xG stats put us 2nd in the league for goals forward, and 3rd on points during that time. This is for whatever reason often overlooked. Of course it's not sustainable to be winning every game.Exactly. We were even warned in February:
https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/1101037946117996544
What is up with that "support" thing? What does that even mean? That i must think that he will be success? That i must avoid saying obvious things and instead of that, i should be blind and say that he is good choice?
Am i less fan than you if i say that i think that he will fail? I can say that Martial and Rashford will be new Neymar and Suarez. And point fingers to everybody who doesn't think that. "Show some support for young lads".
My opinion about Ole is based on something. Yours is just pure and blind faith. The fact is that one of the biggest clubs in the world hired Molde manager who failed in his only job outside Norway. The fact is that he ended season with horrible horrible performances, outplayed by relegation clubs and with horrible results. The (subjective) fact is that his man management during games was bad.
This doesn't have anything about patience. Guardiola, Poch and Fergie together wouldn't fix this in one season. But Ole certainly isn't the man capable to manage club big like this. Based on everything what we saw.
Wow, really?That run from when Ole took over to the PSG game WAS the best period of football since Fergie left, hands down! If you honestly believe that the football under Moyes, LvG or Mourinho was any better than that, then I mean wow that's delusional!
1. It’s not going to change anything.
2. If you are right, you’ll still be miserable because we won’t have solved the problem.
1. And handing out contracts to Smalling, Jones, making Young captain has changed anything since Ole was hired? Getting further from the competition and falling even more behind to our rivals will do us better?
2. How is appointing inexperienced managers at top level and clapping to the board on that solve our problem? If anything couldn't that potentially aggravate it?
Did putting blind faith behind Moyes do us good?
If Ole is sacked and our next manager is Neville or Giggs would you get behind that decision as well? Where does the blind faith stop?
My bad, meant McTominay.Can also argue against Jones and Young contracts but that's already been done, so how exactly Ole was involved in Smalling contract?
