What’s the reasons for keeping Ole?

[Chesterlestreet]

One bad run of form is enough to get a manager sacked for a shiny new toy.

It wasn't even a - say - standard bad run. There's a context there which his most vocal critics just refuse to acknowledge. Ole didn't implement a system that worked initially (in a honeymoon phase) only to break down spectacularly later on. If that had been the case, it would have been extremely worrying indeed. But it wasn't the case.

Two things happened: he changed his approach (because of injuries, fatigue and the players simply not being prepped for a high intensity approach) - and he was made permanent manager (which may have influenced the players, or some of them, negatively). The former wasn't a very good call on his part in hindsight, the latter wasn't a very good call on Ed's part (again in hindsight, and provided we're looking at what might have been a smarter short term move).

Bottom line is that we haven't seen his preferred system implemented properly yet. The shite run is obviously still partly on him, he clearly could have done better, but it wasn't how he wanted to go about it. It was a pragmatic solution to an objectively very tricky run of fixtures (and a generally very tricky situation to find oneself in for a newly appointed manager).

 

[Enigma_87]

It wasn't even a - say - standard bad run. There's a context there which his most vocal critics just refuse to acknowledge. Ole didn't implement a system that worked initially (in a honeymoon phase) only to break down spectacularly later on. If that had been the case, it would have been extremely worrying indeed. But it wasn't the case.

Two things happened: he changed his approach (because of injuries, fatigue and the players simply not being prepped for a high intensity approach) - and he was made permanent manager (which may have influenced the players, or some of them, negatively). The former wasn't a very good call on his part in hindsight, the latter wasn't a very good call on Ed's part (again in hindsight, and provided we're looking at what might have been a smarter short term move).

Bottom line is that we haven't seen his preferred system implemented properly yet. The shite run is obviously still partly on him, he clearly could have done better, but it wasn't how he wanted to go about it. It was a pragmatic solution to an objectively very tricky run of fixtures (and a generally very tricky situation to find oneself in for a newly appointed manager).

The problem is - as seen at Cardiff - it’s probably his usual style (not having one). He has shown so far that he tinkers too much. There lies the difference between him and say Pep and Klopp. From day one they have designated plan and a system and they follow it despite injuries or not available players.

We’ve seen it plenty of times during their stunts at different clubs that they abide their style and don’t change over and over their selections.

Now you may say Cardiff was log time ago but last season at United was the same. He abandoned his approach and made many changes but much alike Cardiff he wasn’t able to get the team back on winning ways.

In terms of time and signings - I doubt the group of players we currently have is good enough to implement a high press, high energy system. With one window in mind we can’t realistically replace 11 players and the system that is being mentioned depends on everybody putting a shift in in order to work - even Martial for example.

With that being said it took Klopp- a much more experienced manager who already implemented that system in different clubs 3 years to become a factor and competitive in the league. This is someone with a proven track record and actual evidence in achieving this.

On the other hand Ole lacks the experience and credentials to pull that type of system at United currently. And also he lacks the time in a sense that if he finishes at 6th or 7th and the lack of previous experience the board will sack him anyway due to the pressure of expectations.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

I remember last summer was spent arguing about whether it was a good idea to Jose on, how the football has regressed, and how he'd be gone by Christmas, people very much on one side or the other.

Looks like history is just repeating itself all over again, amazing really, but also quite understandable as to why.

 

[shaky]

Don't know why you got so defensive over this but the quote: "neither by experience nor talent, had any managerial ability at all" is the official line St Mirren gave. But yeah, of course, what do I know? Just made it up after reading random Reddit articles.

I dare you to actually Google something: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/when-alex-ferguson-got-sacked-st-mirren-40-years-job-made-him

That quote was attributed to come from his industrial tribunal ruling, not from St Mirren themselves. It's pretty clear in the article you're quoting from that the problems between him and St Mirren weren't down to his perceived ability.

 

[Saffron]

I’m not a vehement defender as you put it but to sack him a couple of months after giving him a 3 year contract because of the last 10 or so games would be harsh and embarrassing at the same time.

No it wouldn’t. No one is laughing at Madrid for firing Lopetegui after a similar amount of games. ”Real Madrid has balls”, like Pochettino has said.

Everyone is laughing at us now for sticking with a nostalgia pick who got lucky with a new manager bounce. Even at the height of his winning streak many oppo fans just wished we would fall for it and hire him, like Tottenham did with Tim Sherwood.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

He has shown so far that he tinkers too much. There lies the difference between him and say Pep and Klopp. From day one they have designated plan and a system and they follow it despite injuries or not available players.

He didn't really "tinker", though. He abandoned his initial approach completely and reverted to something the players were familiar with (he was rightly accused for having the team play as they did under Maurinho - that's pretty much how it looked).

Perhaps he does tinker too much, generally, but that doesn't explain what happened after the "honeymoon".

He tried to ride out the season with a makeshift system (one that was essentially based on the default known to the players), which is understandable even if it clearly wasn't successful.

I fully agree that he needs to install a permanent approach, one that he sticks to and one that is in line with the traditions of the club. Otherwise, he's pointless, really. But to blame him for not having done this yet is too harsh.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

No it wouldn’t. No one is laughing at Madrid for firing Lopetegui after a similar amount of games. ”Real Madrid has balls”, like Pochettino has said.

Everyone is laughing at us now for sticking with a nostalgia pick who got lucky with a new manager bounce. Even at the height of his winning streak many oppo fans just wished we would fall for it and hire him, like Tottenham did with Tim Sherwood.

Everyone laughs at real Madrid’s management policy but yeah let’s throw out a club legend before he’s got his feet under the table because of the shite players that have got four previous managers sacked.

 

[DSG]

Bringing this back on topic.

Because many people need to view things in black and white, and cannot see nuance, they are either thrilled Ole stayed on (players are shite) or angry Ole stayed on (form is always the manager’s fault).

In reality, the players can be shite AND the Ole made mistakes. Or shades of both.

It’s not a team made in his image... we don’t know what that will look like. He would need 4-5 transfer windows and full backing by the club to do that. He probably won’t get that because there is a subset of fans that are not patient and are willing to sacrifice steady progress and fundamental changes at the club for instant, but fleeting, success.

I can’t for the life of me figure out why the fans can’t band together, support Ole, get behind the club, and give him a fair chance. If he fails, fine, he should leave. He’ll be the first to admit he wasn’t up to the standard. I suppose there is a very vocal minority who think that 29 matches without any player turnover is enough to evaluate his performance.

Klopp finished 5th and 6th his first two seasons in charge of Dortmund. Pochettino finished 5th with less points than his predecessors Andre Villas Boas and Tim Sherwood.

It is possible for Ole to get better as a manager, just like Klopp Poch did. Why not give him a chance?

 

[Red Dreams]

Ole it seems is being given the support he needs in getting the players he needs.
We are getting rid of some players he does not see as being part of his team.

I think he will do well this season.

I liked the football up to the Liverpool match which we could have won even after those injuries.

I'm looking forward to the season.

 

[The Real Treble 99]

You know what I’ve calm down let’s forget about the Scousers & move on.
I’m getting myself geared up for the new season. Hopefully we get in some raw talent & start playing the Utd way. We’re one of the biggest clubs in the world let’s buckle down & do this.
It’s been a horrendous season but that’s in the past now & a fresh new outlook beckons. Come on United we can do this. Get rid of the crap who cannot be bothered to put in a shift & start with players who give a damn.
New season let’s all get behind Ole because it is what is it & start by putting a positive vibe out there. Let’s make Old Trafford a fortress once again.

 

[BlueHaze]

Bringing this back on topic.

Because many people need to view things in black and white, and cannot see nuance, they are either thrilled Ole stayed on (players are shite) or angry Ole stayed on (form is always the manager’s fault).

In reality, the players can be shite AND the Ole made mistakes. Or shades of both.

It’s not a team made in his image... we don’t know what that will look like. He would need 4-5 transfer windows and full backing by the club to do that. He probably won’t get that because there is a subset of fans that are not patient and are willing to sacrifice steady progress and fundamental changes at the club for instant, but fleeting, success.

I can’t for the life of me figure out why the fans can’t band together, support Ole, get behind the club, and give him a fair chance. If he fails, fine, he should leave. He’ll be the first to admit he wasn’t up to the standard. I suppose there is a very vocal minority who think that 29 matches without any player turnover is enough to evaluate his performance.

Klopp finished 5th and 6th his first two seasons in charge of Dortmund. Pochettino finished 5th with less points than his predecessors Andre Villas Boas and Tim Sherwood.

It is possible for Ole to get better as a manager, just like Klopp Poch did. Why not give him a chance?

It's the disastrous finish to the season that caused a lot of heads to turn. If we finished on a good note we wouldn't even be having this discussion now. I'm still behind him even though our finish to the season pissed the feck out of me to the point where even I was thinking he should have been gone. I have since then calmed down and I'm willing to give him a fair chance but at the same time for me it's completely understandable how some are heavily doubting him.

That end to the season was quite frankly some of the worst stuff I've ever witnessed following this team. Drawing to Huddersfield and losing to Cardiff 0-2 at home, I mean it's not really surprising some people believe this will turn out another bad appointment but I hope they are wrong. Personally I think this could go either way, either good or to absolute shit like Moyes.

 

[SportingCP96]

There isn't one.

 

[DSG]

It's the disastrous finish to the season that caused a lot of heads to turn. If we finished on a good note we wouldn't even be having this discussion now. I'm still behind him even though our finish to the season pissed the feck out of me to the point where even I was thinking he should have been gone. I have since then calmed down and I'm willing to give him a fair chance but at the same time for me it's completely understandable how some are heavily doubting him.

That end to the season was quite frankly some of the worst stuff I've ever witnessed following this team. Drawing to Huddersfield and losing to Cardiff 0-2 at home, I mean it's not really surprising some people believe this will turn out another bad appointment but I hope they are wrong. Personally I think this could go either way, either good or to absolute shit like Moyes.

It sounds like you are begrudgingly allowing him a *bit* of leeway. Obviously, the quality of those brought in along with how soon he can implement his system are of great importance. I guess my point is that we should really support him, give him a full season, two transfer windows before we properly evaluate him. If Dortmund and Spurs can give a full season and two transfer windows to Poch and Klopp, isn’t Ole owed the same? We gave a full season to Moyes, 3 to LvG, 2.5 to Jose.

I don’t want to get into the minutiae of why the bad form came about, it’s impossible to parse. I do think, however, that player effort was poor in the “bad” results, everyone would agree with that, no?

I do feel that if we give Ole time, it’s best for the club. Either he does well and we see progress, or we replace him with a manager with a better track record at the end of next season. I hope we bring in young players, build a platform for success, get rid of the deadwood and finally figure out how to move forward post-SAF.

 

[BlueHaze]

It sounds like you are begrudgingly allowing him a *bit* of leeway. Obviously, the quality of those brought in along with how soon he can implement his system are of great importance. I guess my point is that we should really support him, give him a full season, two transfer windows before we properly evaluate him. If Dortmund and Spurs can give a full season and two transfer windows to Poch and Klopp, isn’t Ole owed the same? We gave a full season to Moyes, 3 to LvG, 2.5 to Jose.

I don’t want to get into the minutiae of why the bad form came about, it’s impossible to parse. I do think, however, that player effort was poor in the “bad” results, everyone would agree with that, no?

I do feel that if we give Ole time, it’s best for the club. Either he does well and we see progress, or we replace him with a manager with a better track record at the end of next season. I hope we bring in young players, build a platform for success, get rid of the deadwood and finally figure out how to move forward post-SAF.

Well to answer the last part of your post when he came in I was quite happy because I knew he is a fan of the club and I thought he would surely quickly identify the ones not good enough as he's watched every single game according to himself. He then went on to give Jones and Young extensions and that is where some of my worries began.

Of course he should be given time but imo his make or break will be this summer window. If we have a bad one I can't see him lasting long. If he is to succeed here we need to have an incredible window and right now that seems very unlikely.

 

[Andycoleno9]

"Supporting" Ole is just pure and blind faith based on the fact that he is our legend. Simple as that. There is no single reason why he should have got a job in the first place and why he should be our manager after performances and results in last 3 months. I admire you all who are defending him and who have that faith but in reality it would be a miracle if he do something here.
And i don't know why people ignore our performances last 3 months? The fact that he didn't buy any player just can't be excuse for our performances. Being outplayed by nearly every team in last 10 games tells you everything how limited Ole is.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Ole it seems is being given the support he needs in getting the players he needs.
We are getting rid of some players he does not see as being part of his team.

I think he will do well this season.

I liked the football up to the Liverpool match which we could have won even after those injuries.

I'm looking forward to the season.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, we're keeping Jones, Young and Smalling, and look to be losing Pogba, De Gea and Lukaku. I love Ole but I'm a bit wary of him because of this.

 

[forevrared]

We've tried lots of things since Sir Alex left and none of them have worked.

Moyes buckled under the fans' skepticism of him from the off. He was also meant to carry on the United way, but decided instead to ignore Sir Alex and fire the backroom staff in favor of his own. The football showed how terrified Moyes was of his job and he was done in less than a season after signing only Marouane Fellaini for £4m more than he could have a week prior.

Van Gaal's football could have been worse I suppose (it was not good, either), but his personality was not a fit to United and he didn't ever really seem to understand the club or fans. Brought in Martial, Herrera, Shaw, and Blind - all of whom serve(d) United well and gave Rashford his chance. Also signed Falcao and Di Maria, two of the worst signings we've ever made. Mixed bag and most agreed the FA Cup wasn't enough to give him any more time.

Mourinho's mess is what Ole's been tasked with cleaning up and I think we all know where the club stands right now, which should say more about Mourinho than his Europa League or 2nd place finish did.

We've gone for a like-for-like replacement for Fergie who just wasn't good enough, a proven entity to right the ship with no long term plans, then gone all-in on a manager who had nothing in common with the club but winning, and he didn't win here (but did succeed in poisoning the well before he left). Aside from the initial recommendation from Fergie, Woodward has shown he hasn't got a clue what to look for in a manager, because he doesn't understand United, either. For this reason alone, I'm fine with giving Ole a chance. He's a United legend who is surrounding himself with United lads who were integral parts of our most recent success. He wants to play the right way and, lest we forget, won 10 of his first 12 matches, so there's obviously something there.

If we've only got one shot to take our squad from the shocking state of it now to competitive again soon, I want someone who knows what Manchester United is supposed to be to lead that rebuild. We can't afford to let Woodward pluck another random manager off the streets if the right one isn't available (there are no obvious choices other than Pochettino IMO) and risk a further slide toward mediocrity.

 

[crossy1686]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, we're keeping Jones, Young and Smalling, and look to be losing Pogba, De Gea and Lukaku. I love Ole but I'm a bit wary of him because of this.

Let’s just give a manager time to build his own team for once. I honestly don’t think it matters that much who’s in charge as long as they’re supported and backed to the hilt. Pochettino and Klopp have had 4 years, going into their 5th now at their respective clubs while we keep swapping out every couple of years. Both of them wouldn’t have gotten that amount of time here if they were trophy less by the end of the third season.

 

[forevrared]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, we're keeping Jones, Young and Smalling, and look to be losing Pogba, De Gea and Lukaku. I love Ole but I'm a bit wary of him because of this.

Pogba's going because he and Raiola are cnuts and always have been, De Gea is obviously been unhappy with the club's fall from grace (especially after he already tried to sign for Madrid, only to have it fall apart), and I'd personally still back Lukaku for another season at least, but he's really got no one to blame but himself if he's sold.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

It's the disastrous finish to the season that caused a lot of heads to turn. If we finished on a good note we wouldn't even be having this discussion now. I'm still behind him even though our finish to the season pissed the feck out of me to the point where even I was thinking he should have been gone. I have since then calmed down and I'm willing to give him a fair chance but at the same time for me it's completely understandable how some are heavily doubting him.

That end to the season was quite frankly some of the worst stuff I've ever witnessed following this team. Drawing to Huddersfield and losing to Cardiff 0-2 at home, I mean it's not really surprising some people believe this will turn out another bad appointment but I hope they are wrong. Personally I think this could go either way, either good or to absolute shit like Moyes.

This is exactly it- performances the last few months have been awful. Being outplayed by mediocre clubs at home & it doesn’t bode well. A manager should be progressing & not regressing.

 

[DevilAgeIdiot]

We all love a bit of Solksjaer, especially after Mourinho had milked the whole experience of supporting United of any joy whatsoever. The sour one's management was like a slow and torturous death. feck me, it was the lowest we could get.

In fact José's appointment was a shit managerial decision but there can be no doubt about it, the club's shockingly amateurish board has made an even greater feck-up in giving the post to OGS on a permanent basis. There was absolutely no need to back ourselves into a corner with prematurely signing Olé. A rookie mistake that could cost us another couple of years in the wilderness. We really could not be run more shittily if we tried.

To manage a hungry top club that needs to challenge for trophies it's simply not enough to personify the mythical 'United way',even if dressed up in a mr nice guy package. After 6 years of mismatched and clueless managers our squad is in a pretty bad state. How does United plan to implement the pressing changes needed? It feels again that United are stuck in the past trying to retreat to 92 instead of forging a new 21st century identity and ferocious ambition.

In contrast lets look for a moment at Liverpool fc's and UAEcity's managerial appointments. Behind both Klopp's clownish heavy metal persona and Guardiola's,trendy baldy guy in tight jeans, media persona, there is an insatiable and ruthless will to win combined with natural leadership qualities and a forceful and galvanising organisational capacity that only adds to their steely killer instinct.

Not forgetting that our form has been absolutely diabolical since Olé was made permanent and despite the goodwill many of us hold for Olé, it remains to be seen whether he has either the tactical nous and even more challengingly, the ruthlessness of personality to succeed at a club like United.
To stamp his authority then, getting rid of the deadwood is neccessary. The likes of Young, Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Lindgard, Matic and Mata all need clearing out. Pogba, Rashford and Martial should be moved on too if they don't buck up their ideas.

Even if we get a few new signings in, which will not be easy due to our competitors being more attractive atm what with having a clear identity, a recognisable style of football, champions league, charismatic world class managers and put simply much better footbal played , we don't know if Olé has the balls to stamp his authority on the dressing room and get the most out of this squad.

 

[Revaulx]

Transfer window for you. Transfer window for him. Transfer windows for everybody!

We're Manchester United, trying to ignite the managerial careers of mid table managers, relics, mentally unstable, and rookies.

Give it Giggseh next and then have a random lottery of names who've played over 100 games for United because legends, get the club, live in the Stretford End.

If he does well with Wales in the forthcoming Euros qualifiers, I can seriously see him being in the frame. Not because he's a legend, but because he worked for SAF for years and some of the latter’s magic may have worn off on him.

 

[MrBest]

How bad do people think this season would have been if we had kept Jose in charge? The last 10 or so games where we won one game would have been a consistent thing on under Jose and I am sure we would have finished in the lower 10. I once upon a time thought we had a good squad, now i do not. The reason for keeping Ole, it is hope. Stop comparing his past to his future and give him a chance. Regardless of future results he is here for at least the next 6 months and he has identified the need to buy players who work hard. Man city and Liverpool have both proved you do not need 11 world class players to dominate, you need 1 or 2 class players and a team of 23 players who are willing to put there bodies on the line. Ole sees this and i hope he actions it come August.

 

[Revaulx]

Quick reminder: Ole is at the club because of fan hysteria and fan propensity to be overnostalgic, nothing to do with the board wanting a cheap option. The real flaw of the board is the inability to save you guys from yourselves.

A different board did save you from yourselves in 1989 'Ta-ra Fergie'. This board got overwhelmed. I know it's an uncomfortable truth.

You’re sort of right, but for the wrong reasons.

Firstly, the Ta-ra Fergie contingent was very small. Among the crap performances there were some really good ones, which gave many fans hope that things would get better if only performances were more consistent. There were never long runs of bad results, unlike recently under Ole.

Secondly, it appears that the Board (Woodward) isn’t merely pandering to the fans’ nostalgia; it’s setting the nostalgia agenda itself. The fans weren’t calling for Jose to be sacked and replaced by a Fergie-era legend; there was only a call for Ole to be given the job after a very good run of results. Likewise the fans haven’t been the ones demanding Darren Fletcher be made Technical Director (or whatever).

I fully agree that some fans have bought into the nostalgia agenda, but they’re not the ones to have set it.

 

[Cardboard elk]

Firstly, the Ta-ra Fergie contingent was very small. Among the crap performances there were some really good ones, which gave many fans hope that things would get better if only performances were more consistent. There were never long runs of bad results, unlike recently under Ole.

What I can find is that the bad run from 89/90 was longer than Oles. No wins between 18.november and 10.february. 48 points in 38 matches that season (1,26 points per match), whereas Ole now then has 40 points in 21 matches last season (1,90 points per match) and had a bad streak of 6 games with no wins at the end, loosing to Barca, City, Everton and Cardiff. What is really nice is that Ole is not going to get sacked. He is first having pre-season and then the next season will start, with him as manager. Another thing : I do not call it Nostalgia. I call it "back to the roots". Look at what Ajax has managed by being themselves and true to their identity of playstyle and club.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I call it "back to the roots".

Well, that's sounds good.

United don't have an easily identifiable football philosophy to fall back on, though (unlike Ajax). The "United Way" is a pretty vague concept. You know it when you see it, but can you translate it to a "program" that can be adhered to by everyone from youth team coaches to the first team manager (and a possible DoF figure, not least)?

I don't mind giving roles to ex-players as such - not at all. They shouldn't be hired because they're ex-players, though.

As I've said before, the step-by-step process should start with nailing down a long term strategy for the club: use ex-players for this, by all means. That actually makes sense. But the next step should be to hire someone tasked with carrying the plan out, overseeing the whole thing - which is a very big job. And not something you'd hire an ex-player for just because he "knows the club".

 

[Garethw]

No it wouldn’t. No one is laughing at Madrid for firing Lopetegui after a similar amount of games. ”Real Madrid has balls”, like Pochettino has said.

Everyone is laughing at us now for sticking with a nostalgia pick who got lucky with a new manager bounce. Even at the height of his winning streak many oppo fans just wished we would fall for it and hire him, like Tottenham did with Tim Sherwood.

Exactly. If you are a computer programmer and your code is failing, you don’t stick with it in fear of being embarrassed, you change it to make it work.

Appointing Ole was fecking stupid and Woodward will know that better than anyone.

The fact that we are willing to write off another season because our CEO/board are not willing to rectify a feck up is more worrying than anything.

People will come back at me with the usual he hasn’t had a window yet bollocks, but it won’t make a difference.

Come August when we are still playing shit football, with no clear system and dropping points left right and centre what will the excuses be for Ole then?

 

[Revaulx]

What I can find is that the bad run from 89/90 was longer than Oles. No wins between 18.november and 10.february. 48 points in 38 matches that season (1,26 points per match), whereas Ole now then has 40 points in 21 matches last season (1,90 points per match) and had a bad streak of 6 games with no wins at the end, loosing to Barca, City, Everton and Cardiff. What is really nice is that Ole is not going to get sacked. He is first having pre-season and then the next season will start, with him as manager. Another thing : I do not call it Nostalgia. I call it "back to the roots". Look at what Ajax has managed by being themselves and true to their identity of playstyle and club.

Yeah that was a grim run: P11, W0, D5, L6; only five goals scored. Lots of injuries*, though Ole has suffered with these as well. Before then, results had been wildly inconsistent, but there had been sufficient really good performances to preserve a certain amount of hope. In Ole's initial good run of results, it was really only the first performance against Cardiff that was brilliant.

Anyway, I think that that initial good run was enough to give him a crack at the real job, and I desperately hope he succeeds. I'm really worried that he's here just because the Board hope that some of Fergie's magic has worn off onto him, rather than on his own merits as a manager. If I'm right, I can envisage Giggs being next in line if Ole struggles and he does well with Wales in the Euros qualifiers.

Edit: After a very good first season, Jim Leighton had inexplicably turned crap, which didn't help either.

 

[Leftback99]

Why are people bringing up Madrid? They are doing no better with Zidane back in charge.

It's almost like having Ronaldo and others at their peak made a difference to their results.

 

[Glideman]

Exactly. If you are a computer programmer and your code is failing, you don’t stick with it in fear of being embarrassed, you change it to make it work.

Appointing Ole was fecking stupid and Woodward will know that better than anyone.

The fact that we are willing to write off another season because our CEO/board are not willing to rectify a feck up is more worrying than anything.

People will come back at me with the usual he hasn’t had a window yet bollocks, but it won’t make a difference.

Come August when we are still playing shit football, with no clear system and dropping points left right and centre what will the excuses be for Ole then?

And what happens if your prophecy doesn’t happen? Unless you have a crystal ball you don’t know the future

 

[Ooge_]

"Old mens club" (LvG)? I would love to see Lopetegui at Man Utd or Bayern. I guess, Kovac will be discharged in fall 2019 at the latest. Maybe it´s just the question, if Ole will be discharged earlier?

 

[romufc]

Whatever fans say, Ole is not going to be sacked, he will be given a chance next season.

From the fans point of view, there are couple of indicators of how successful Ole will be:-

1. Will he be true to his word? Only the fittest survive? or will he give the players another chance - if he gives the likes of Young, Smalling and Jones another season as first team, the writing is on the wall.

2. Transfers - His success will be based on the calibre of players bought.

3. Style of play - The first 5 games will give us an indication whether the season will be same old or a change.

If he can manage to get to the first international break with a good mood, we can hope for a decent season.

 

[Garethw]

And what happens if your prophecy doesn’t happen? Unless you have a crystal ball you don’t know the future

Then I’m wrong and I’m happy to be wrong.

Look, I desperately want Ole to succeed, I really do. But if I was a betting man I’d put money on him being sacked before Christmas.

 

[TRUERED89]

Can only judge Ole by December I think. Terrible end to the season though. Let's see how he does with the recruitment and setting us up. If by December we havent improved and are still seeing the likes of Young, Jones, Lingard in our starting XI then we can judge him.

This is exactly what I've been saying all along, give him till December and see where we're at.

 

[romufc]

I have just come across one stat which shows how far we have fallen.

When Ole says get back to the United way, does he mean crossing the ball into the box? If so, the below shows how United have fallen.

12/13 - Fergies last season = 14 Headed goals
13/14 - 10 Headed goals
14/15 - 12 Headed goals
15/16 - 5 Headed goals
16/17 - 9 Headed goals
17/18 - 12 Headed goals
18/19 - 4 Headed goals

4 Headed goals? where you have Lukaku up top? surely they work on this in training?

Liverpool who have no striker you call a nuisance in the air scored 14, this shows the lack of quality from the wingers and full backs?

Who in this United team can cross a ball?

Who in this United team can head a ball?

 

[Stacks]

Everybody was drooling over Poch but he's achieved nothing. So what were his credentials for taking over United?? Mourinho won 2 trophies in his first year and got us to 2nd....but he's gone.

So I don't get your point? What do you mean by persisting? Would you be happy with Poch playing decent football but winning nothing or happy with Mourinho winning bits but playing dire football?

Unless you've got a crystal ball or know something I don't, no one knows whether any manager is going to be right for any club. Liverpool stuck with Klopp and finally after 3/4 years he's won them something. Like I said OGS came in after half a season. We ALL know where the problems are yet he's been judged before the season has even started and transfer season closed. It's just so dumb. I really, really hope he does a great job to shut these shortsighted idiots up.

If you cannot see the progression of teams Poch manages then I don't know what to tell ya. All typically done on shoestring budgets. At Spurs he is on negative expenditure, they play better football than us, routinely finish higher in the table, qualify for the CL, promoted youth prospects to 1st team, well coached, all players have improved individually, tactical flexibility, oh and did I mention they can actually play football? SAF descirbed him as the best manager in the league despite the lack of silverware. maybe just maybe, there is enough ability there to suggest that should he be backed, just like Jurgen, perhaps he could go to the next level?

imagine if Levy backed Poch like Klopp was and THEY signed Sancho for 80 odd million (Eriksen/Kane/Sancho) whilst also signing Ndombele and Maddison to bolster their midfield? or they could sell Alli and actually reinvest those funds on Tielemens and Partay. do you not think that Spurs would then go to the next level and MAINTAIN a title charge like Liverpool did?
they were in it until March, despite having the exact same players as last year when they were miles off. Klopp was allowed to fill in the gaps in his team whilst Poch does not have this luxury. have some faith in Poch mate

 

[Denis79]

We all know Ole is going nowhere until he takes a shot at the job. Might or might not be the right man for the job, we'll know by the end of this season. There will be people defending him no matter how badly he does and some attacking no matter how well he does. Guess it all depends on what we expect.

I have my doubts about Ole's ability as a manager but I am more than willing to see where he will take us. Really hope he has a great season and we see an improvement, and I don't mean an improvement on just his last 2 months because that was relegation form and absymal.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Come August when we are still playing shit football, with no clear system and dropping points left right and centre what will the excuses be for Ole then?

When this coming season falls apart, be it in August or later, the excuses for Ole you can basically guarantee will be the following...

1. He didn't get what he wanted in the window and now needs another window.

2. *if Pogba is still here* - It's Pogba's fault that the manager is unskilled to the level required.

3. It's some other individual player's fault for 'turning the dressing room against him'. Maybe Martial. Someone who shares physical attributes of Pogba, Martial, Rom, Lingard...

Obviously, a large number of those bleating the excuses will be oppo WUMs on here pretending to be United fans - as is the case right now with a good number of the most tedious 'Ole at the wheel' brigade.

 

[crossy1686]

When this coming season falls apart, be it in August or later, the excuses for Ole you can basically guarantee will be the following...

1. He didn't get what he wanted in the window and now needs another window.

2. *if Pogba is still here* - It's Pogba's fault that the manager is unskilled to the level required.

3. It's some other individual player's fault for 'turning the dressing room against him'. Maybe Martial. Someone who shares physical attributes of Pogba, Martial, Rom, Lingard...

Obviously, a large number of those bleating the excuses will be oppo WUMs on here pretending to be United fans - as is the case right now with a good number of the most tedious 'Ole at the wheel' brigade.

All those 'excuses' can and will be used no matter who is in charge come August, what if we signed Pochettino today and we're playing shit come August?

The problem is that people like you have zero patience or understanding on what it takes to build a team and want instant success. It would absolutely kill some of you to get behind a manager, you're only happy when you're miserable and everyone else around you is as well. Just dare to support him, I dare you to for once see some positives or have some vision as to where we can be at in a couple of years if we actually just backed one manager and gave him time.

 

[Nash27]

All those 'excuses' can and will be used no matter who is in charge come August, what if we signed Pochettino today and we're playing shit come August?

The problem is that people like you have zero patience or understanding on what it takes to build a team and want instant success. It would absolutely kill some of you to get behind a manager, you're only happy when you're miserable and everyone else around you is as well. Just dare to support him, I dare you to for once see some positives or have some vision as to where we can be at in a couple of years if we actually just backed one manager and gave him time.

THIS x 100. Really getting sick of some of the fans.