The British equivalent of January 6th.
Westminster Politics 2024-2029
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I've seen that petition pushed by Musk and several bot accounts on X. They seem to have no idea how elections work in the UK. It's a clear push from the right to try to take advantage of the misinformation campaign they pushed in the American election here.
They can't call a re-election, unless starmer dissolves the Parliament I think.
It's at 100k signatures an hour, the fasted ever registered.
@TheGame what misinformation?
Not really. (You could be joking). The public can always demand, in parliamentary democracies where fixed terms are not the same as a presidential term, an election and depending on opinion polling and other factors, it may even get what it wants.
Highly unlikely, but not impossible. If Labour keep tanking you could see an early election but for this to happen the public opinion polling would have to be insanely high (against Labour) and also have tangible effects upon the economy.
What is more likely, of course, is that Starmer would just be ousted in such an event as the majority is massive.
It’s fecking years until the next GE. All of this right now is completely and utterly meaningless.
Also it was obvious that a bunch of people who voted to punish the tories would immediately revert to form
Also it was obvious that a bunch of people who voted to punish the tories would immediately revert to form
What has Labour done? Genuinely asking. It's very early but his plan was this supercharged 100 days. It has held meetings with vulture capital funds. Incorrectly sought to punish farmers via inheritance tax. Where is the progressive legislation?
Obviously there won't be a GE anytime soon but Labour is tanking for a reason and it's not because the Tories are brilliant: the Tories are absolute dogshit.
Trust your instincts.
What misinformation? The campaign ran by Elon Musk all over X and Trump's other cronies, constant misinformation which continues to be the case. The same petition you mentioned is being pushed by them. They fail to register we had an election 6 months ago.
If Labour keep tanking, then they will never call an election. The only case where an election would be called is a situation like the economy totally collapsing. I remember a similar petition ran against the Tories with lots of signatures.
That's what I mean. The opinion would have to correlate to an economic collapse. Otherwise, no chance.
There was a list of achievements I came across but their communications have been poor. There has been stuff done. You say incorrectly punish farmers whereas a number of people feel they have made the correct decision is making sure wealthy landowners pay tax. The land owners are making the most noise at the moment. There is also a push from bots and social media from Musk and his cronies to push a misinformation campaign in this country. The recent polls still put them ahead despite their unpopularity.
I was listening to a farmer, who is not that ideological, who was running through the consequences this policy has for all farmers and it's pretty fecking brutal. It denies them, in many cases, the capacity to pass the farm on to their children. I.e., there's this thing where you need life insurance which many cannot get for certain farms to even have a prospect of being able to turn the farm over to the next generation. The fear is, and not without merit, that these will be bought up by capital hedgefunds and either rented back to the farmers at terribly expensive rates (enriching the already most rich) or broken up and sold.
I think it's a bad policy. Whilst farmers obviously own lots of land (70% of the UK's entire landmass apparently) these are not, typically, super rich people. And that, to me, is what an inheritance tax ought to be: a redistribution of wealth from billionaires not from farmers. I.e., billionaires to the state not farmers to hedge-funds.
There is a lot of misinformation regarding the policy. I posted some posts before where it is explained. Unfortunately it has been hijacked by Farage, Clarkson and the right to suit their own needs. There are options for farmers to pass it onto their children beforehand I believe. I'm not saying farmers won't be affected but the numbers that have been outlined are small and there are options for them to pay over a number of years. The aim of the policy to level up the IHT bit.
To be honest I don’t really know (what Labour have done). I didn’t vote for them (my area is always Lib Dem’s vs Tories) and I can’t say I’ve been massively impressed so far. My point is simply that it’s probably not a bad strategy to make all the unpopular decisions now, which will largely be forgotten about within a few weeks, let alone years.
Dont get me wrong, if in 2-3 years time we still haven’t seen any progress, I’ll be holding them accountable as much as anyone else. But fact is these things take time, and there was always going to be an element of people who were pushed over the edge by the Tories levels of incompetence, but will be happy to switch straight back as soon as Labour do anything they don’t agree with.
The number claiming disability benefits almost doubled in 18 months earlier this year, from 4 million to 7 million. It most definitely does need tightening up.
They have cleverly fiddled the numbers to get the percentages they wanted by including anything that touches farming as a farm. The huge number of small holdings with a horse and a few chickens in the garden, as well as normal houses with a field attached. Nuances the Twitter warriors havent understood. The NFU say the percentage of real commercial farms impacted may well be as high as 75%.
Is this not the Westminster politics threat?
Why are you trying to correlate? So what if Elon or a bot posts about British petition, it's not going to change anything.
All we can hope for, is that they see it as a warning that they'll lose the local elections and by the looks of the by-elections they will lose them councils.
Yet again, nothing in here a part from indicator of some type of right wing agenda.
It was/is used as a loop hole for inheritance tax at 10K an acre it's easy for rich people to hide it in the farm pass it down and then sell it piece by piece.
IMO, the threshold need to be raised to 4/5 mil as the framing gear is classed as a asset. They also haven't looked at the fact that this is a generational trade that has roots in communities and to say "just sell you're land to pay" I'd find insulting if I was a farmmer.
Yes it’s the Westminster politics thread and Elon has been pushing anti UK Government messages for a while now and has a weaponised social media platform to push that approach. It’s all out there but you seem to have convenient blinkers on.
Local elections aren’t until 2025. A few by election results mean feck all.
You clearly have some sort of agenda where you ignore the information in front of you or you choose to conveniently ignore what’s there. I’m not sure what it is. The American election was one big misinformation campaign where those perpetrators want to bring the same stuff over here. It has already started. They have hijacked this petition to suit their purpose.
Take a look at the Musk or American elections threads if you don’t actually think there was anything wrong.
Elon can piss off meddling in this country's politics. Stick to destroying America please and thank you.
I'm not on any... its a waste of my time.
Yep, in May just after the new financial year starts. Unless rachel from accounts can get a grip - we'll be in a bad way.
I've not read anything on misinformation on our side of the pond because I don't read twitter, that's why I don't understand your Elon correlation.
You keep telling yourself that by-elections means nothing, to me it's an indicator of the British people's point of view and I just hope these labour lot realise the same - because it not too late to save people's jobs.
One of the most frustrating things about the man is the medias attempts to continually label him as some sort of socialist or left winger. I think he even labeled himself a socialist once too.
Totally disingenous and does nothing but damage the perception of left wing politics to those not so politically engaged. Left wing politics isn't starving children, freezing pensioners, attacking the disabled, pushing for war or defending war criminals.
People like Starmer are a bigger threat than the likes of Farage right now. He and his cronies have done more damage to the left wing in the UK than any Farage or Tory. If people think Starmers politics is left wing, and having witnessed the desolution of the UK under the tories, then its no surprise to see people gravitate towards Reform. As they're then seen as the alternative, mostly due to our media platforming them so much and forcing it down our throats.
The best left wing leaders this country has seen in recent years are Alex Salmond and Jeremy Corbyn, and both were smeared to death once they grew too popular often with many "left wing" journalists and politicians being complicit in that and more than happy to join in.
Are you referring to council or parliamentary by elections? By elections for councils depend on local circumstances, a better reading is total council seats across the country. Normally a standing government always loses some seats. Likewise with Parliamentary by elections depending on when they occur. In the latest polls, Labour were still ahead of the Conservatives.
Well, this tax is supposedly going to cost Dyson £100m so maybe it's quite well targeted.
There aren't enough billionaires in the UK to raise meaningful sums of money.
Everyone wants a wealth tax but only if other people pay it. Everyone wants to crack down on tax loopholes but only if they apply to someone else.
I'm a bit tired of the whingeing. The country is broke. This closes exactly the kind of tax loophole that needs closing.
The stuff about generational farms is bollocks. If they want to pass it on to the family, they gift it at the right time to their kids and no IHT is due AT ALL.
Should they have to pay IHT, they get 10 years to pay it.
This is a load of whingeing from vested interests, whose assets are being treated equivalently to other assets in the tax system (and who still get significant benefits), that is all.
I should also point out that farming is a constituency whose decision to vote for Brexit has cost the country revenues that need to be replaced. It is a price they therefore should be happy to pay.
10 years? Is that right? Didn't realise that it was that generous.
If you die within 7 years of giving a gift and there’s Inheritance Tax to pay on it, the amount of tax due after your death depends on when you gave it.
If due, inheritance tax must in general be paid by the end of the sixth month after death.
Er. No.
Edit: @nickm is correct.
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Ah here we are:
Inheritance Tax must be paid by the end of the sixth month after the person's death. If it's not paid by then, HMRC will start charging interest. The executors can choose to pay the tax on certain assets, such as property, by instalment over ten years. But the outstanding amount of tax will still get charged interest.
https://www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/f... must be paid,will still get charged interest.
Interest rates appear to be 7.75% on late payments.
That is, and I'm not being smart here, exactly what a wealth tax is. Among the very rich millionaire and billionaire class.
This is utter bollocks and quite frankly if you believe that I don't know what to say. A man using the Southport attacks to stir up racial hatred leading to the riots where people like myself couldn't leave the house due to the risk, peddling Russian disinformation, constant migrant bashing, a fake opportunist and linked to several far right wing/racist individuals against someone who you hate because he is labelled a socialist. Farage is one of the most dangerous people around at the moment, all he does is stoke division.
Yeah,
"Should they have to pay IHT, they get 10 years to pay it.'
So this comment is wrong.
Farms are under a different rule anyway.
I think labels create division.
Utter bollock if you believe a Russian disinformation, migrant bashing, fake opportunist, far right, socialist that stokes division.
On the point of local elections, would you vote for Reform or Torries if the candidate covered off all your local problems?
Thanks! Never knew that.
Still think the cap should be a bit higher.
Personally, I think 6 months for none farm land should be longer as well.
I couldn't care less about labels, Farage is all of those of those things and more.
I wouldn't vote for Reform at all. They have a handful of Councillors across the country, it does not run any Councils I believe. They are a racist, migrant baiting party stoking division. Same with Tories in terms of voting, they are nothing but a right wing party relying on dog whistle politics. They used to run my local Council and completely messed that up. They are unlikely to even offer a solution to solve local issues as because of the Tories is why local government is in the state it is currently in.
Shockingly Nigel didn't say anything about the below petition at the time.
I get you, I hope to feck that labour do something good - but it's not a great start.