Were Liverpool ever this bad?

Thiagoal

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So, heading into tonight’s match I’m wondering- was there a time in Sir Alex’s reign where the gap between us and them was as large? Did they ever rock up to Old Trafford expecting to be beaten by at least 3 clear goals; their fans dreading what was about to be dished up before their eyes?

I always seem remember our matches being tight affairs which could go either way?
 
They were shite, possibly just as bad as us but they competed better in games against us.

Towards the end of SAFs reign our United side wasn't as ruthless as this current Liverpool side either.
 
They were horrendous at times struggling to even make Europe , but to their credit they had enough passhoun to actually turn up against us, can't say the same about this side .
 
Yeah they had some really shite teams and players

remember the “don’t blame it on Biscan” chant?
 
I remember their signings were always so bad, especially under Houllier.
 
Nah this United team is worse. Even when they were bad, they'd perform in big games, usually did quite well in big matches. Liverpool finished lower all right but there's a bigger gap between us and Liverpool now. Like, there's literally 0 chance for United tonight. You wouldn't have ever said that about Liverpool in the past.
 
Quality wise, yes they've been worse, but commitment wise, never. Even at their worse, they've always managed to give us a game, played it like it's their cup final.
They've never had a half arsed half like we've done against City and them.
 
Yeah much worse

They went years without CL football if I remember correctly and regularly finished just above mid table

To be fair they picked up a few cups even during their bad times though.
 
Pissing myself at the people saying we are worse, spoilt brat syndrome at its best because we’re going through a spell of not competing for the title.

Liverpool were truly horrendous at times before Klopp, often finishing 8th (just as they did for Klopp’s first year), despite us being so bad we’ve still got an outside chance of the top 4 going into the run in.
 
I seen a old highlights match where Liverpool had a front 6 of;

Henderson - Spearing -Adam
Kuyt - Carroll - Downing

Truely terrible.
 
They were shit under Hodgson and Dalglish. Houllier they had fight. I don't recall us ever going to Anfield and wiping the floor with them.
 
They were rubbish, but annoyingly always had that ability to fluke their way to a cup here and there.
 
They were much worse. They were finishing 7th or 8th at a time when the PL was not as loaded as it is now. Their squad was filled with meh players too.
 
I remember Liverpool with the likes of Jay Spearing in midfield, Florent Sinama Pongolle up front and Djimi Traore in defence. They had some terrible players but I never once saw a lack of effort.
 
Thiagoal said:
So, heading into tonight’s match I’m wondering- was there a time in Sir Alex’s reign where the gap between us and them was as large? Did they ever rock up to Old Trafford expecting to be beaten by at least 3 clear goals; their fans dreading what was about to be dished up before their eyes?

I always seem remember our matches being tight affairs which could go either way?
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Far worse. As others have noted, under Roy Hodgson they were truly horrendous. I remember Paul Konchesky wearing a Liverpool shirt, something that would be unimaginable at United, even now. I also agree with others that they always competed against us. I remember one occasion under Sir Alex when we won 4-0, but they had a player sent off on that occasion (I think Carragher). Win lose or draw, they always found an extra gear for games against us, even when we were clearly better. Under Houllier (I think 2000/01 and 2001/02) they even somehow managed to win back to back leagues games at OT. So yes the gulf was certainly wider in my view, in terms of skill and capability level, but they never lost their pride. That is the big difference. We are a much better side than they were then, but the gulf in professional pride is seismic.
 
Bwuk said:
I seen a old highlights match where Liverpool had a front 6 of;

Henderson - Spearing -Adam
Kuyt - Carroll - Downing

Truely terrible.
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Good times for us, that team is truly atrocious. It also goes to show the longevity of Henderson. I'd say Liverpool had a worse team but at least they would turn up in matches against us.
 
Liverpool's worst Premier League positions.

1992–93 - 6th

1993–94 - 8th

1998–99 - 7th

2002–03 - 5th

2004–05 - 5th

2009–10 - 7th

2010–11 - 6th

2011–12 - 8th

2012–13 - 7th

2014–15 - 6th

2015–16 - 8th

United's worst Premier League positions.

2013–14 - 7th

2015–16 - 5th

2016–17 - 6th

2018–19 - 6th
 
They have been much worse than this with regards quality/technical ability in the squad. However, they've never had such a badly put-together PL side.

Plus, the league is much tougher now than it was when Liverpool were bad. You have to remember, there are now 5/6 genuinely good sides and the PL is the strongest and richest league in Europe. Liverpool used to finish in mid-table back when there were only really 2/3 'good sides' and half the league were just treading water.
 
Even during their ropey seasons, the Liverpool fans I know were still always confident of getting a result against us. Leeds fans were the same, no matter how shite they were, they still thought they were going to give us a hiding, and sometimes they got one over on us. We're shite now too, so we might as well just go into every game thinking were gonna twat everyone.

0-3 tonight. Piece of piss.
 
kthanksbye said:
Quality wise, yes they've been worse, but commitment wise, never. Even at their worse, they've always managed to give us a game, played it like it's their cup final.
They've never had a half arsed half like we've done against City and them.
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Could not have said it better myself.
Spot on mate.
 
To be honest, I don't remember us being this bad before either except the Moyes season. We could lose badly but we weren't expected to be dominated under Jose and LVG from what I remember. This is an absurd situation. The least you expect is for the team to always put up a fight and we're past even expecting that, which is really shameful.
 
Early to mid 90s.

When Liverpool were finishing outside the top three for four consecutive seasons and Fergies first great team were at their peak.
 
saivet said:
They were shite, possibly just as bad as us but they competed better in games against us.
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This, for a long while playing us was their cup final our toothless lot haven't quite reached that point yet

Though saying that what's worse rolling over for Liverpool like we have routinely done for a while now or treating them like a cup final?
 
There has never been a game against Liverpool that I remember being 100% confident of wining. Even when they were managed by Hodgeson.

I was talking to some Liverpool fans last week and they were saying that for the first time they are 100% confident of wining against us. They even hope to boost their goal difference.

This is the worst Utd team I can remember. Worse than Moyes. In fact I would take Moyes back to manage us until end of season. I thought I would never say that!
 
Lentwood said:
They have been much worse than this with regards quality/technical ability in the squad. However, they've never had such a badly put-together PL side.

Plus, the league is much tougher now than it was when Liverpool were bad. You have to remember, there are now 5/6 genuinely good sides and the PL is the strongest and richest league in Europe. Liverpool used to finish in mid-table back when there were only really 2/3 'good sides' and half the league were just treading water.
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That is a great assessment. They have been worse than us at current but at current you have to admit that Liverpool and City are arguably the two hardest sides to beat in the world right now, and Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs and even ourselves are all well capable of making the latter stages of the Champions League. The league is incredibly strong when compared with the 2010's.

But we feel further away from Liverpool and City than I've -ever- felt we were ahead of them. Even Ferguson's best sides gave teams a chance to beat us at times.
 
They were shocking! I remember listing to 606 and a lot of Liverpool fans used to ring in moaning about their team. And this was under Houllier! Oh how I laughed and laughed at their misery!

Who's laughing now you bastard :(
 
The other side of the question, if we’re talking about the gap is - were we ever as good as this Liverpool team?
 
I think our squad is far stronger than some of the Liverpool bad ones.

We're just so open at the back and they are so incisive - that it's currently a mismatch. We are also poor at playing the ball out from the back, which plays directly into Liveprool's strengths.

Give LVG this squad and the game would be closer, although tedious.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
They were worse. Under Hodgson and Kenny it was hilarious.
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mu4c_20le said:
I remember their signings were always so bad, especially under Houllier.
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To be fair they got rid of Hodgson before it got too bad and Dalglish’ first season back they actually got to two cup finals, winning one. They also smashed us and city at Anfield in the league under him.
I think if we finish 7th or lower (which is their worse finish iirc, maybe 8th) then this team will be worse than any Liverpool premier league side.
 
They were worse but they almost always turned up against us which is more than I can say for our current squad.
 
Defeat at Anfield to an atrocious Souness side was the last of a trio of losses at the end of 91/92 that lost us the league.

The team that Souness inherited a year earlier was still very good but quite a few of its members were over the hill and investment had been neglected under Dalglish. Souness came in and took an axe to it, replacing players still at their peak (Beardsley, Houghton) with a load of absolute cloggers. They’ve only really recovered under Klopp decades later.

And yet it’s always felt that we’ve had a harder time against them since then than we did when they were all-powerful from the mid-70s onwards.
 
Liverpool was in relegation form under Hodgson. Under Dalglish and Rodgers it was no better (other than the slippy G season). Even, Klopp finished 8th in his first season.
 
In all fairness beating United was the highlight of their season, now they're on to win the quadruple..
I miss Hodgson being their manager
 
No. No matter how shite their team they were always pumped against us. More than can be said for the dozen spineless amoebas we've got running around our pitch these days.
 
Difference in the past was despite how much better they were in the 80s and how strong we were in the 90s and 00s, the other team were always compitetive in these games. We seemed to get the better of them in the 80s, and they were bloody frustrating to play during our time at the top. But there's a potential tonking for our boys each time we play them thesedays.
 
I think the issue is back then they knew they were bad, so they always turned up with the underdog attitude.

Our current side think they are the dogs bollocks, but wilt under the first sign of pressure and have as much fight as a pinata.
 
As others have pointed out, Liverpool teams of past have had bigger technical gaps, but rarely bent over easily to us. I recalled Danny Murphy and Riise scoring some winners against us for example.

The spirit of our current squad is the main sticking point to us taking a beating. Hell we could even do with a firing McFred to offer some screening/hustle to our porous defence. Also Pray that Sancho/Rashford/Bruno rediscover their touch otherwise we have no chance
 
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