Plechazunga
Grammar partisan who sleeps with a real life Ryan
You need to elaborate on this idea of "a penalty is unfair punishment". There are lots of penalty area penal fouls which did not prevent a goal. Handball? Holding? Do you just ignore them or are you suggesting some new category of direct free kick in the area? Defenders get away with all sorts of fouls in the area anyway, so perhaps a penalty, even though there is no danger to the goal, is a way of keeping defenders (more) honest. And goals are a good thing, so I don't mind seeing defending teams occasionally suffer excessive punishment as a result of the sheer Almunia-like stupidity of their defenders.
It's a good point, I've addressed it a bit above but not completely satisfactorily I admit.
But refs do this all the time (as I said above) in every game there are loads of incidents in the area that could be and more often than not would be called a foul outside the box.
I have been watching football for a long time and many so called fouls today would not have even been considered as a possible foul even 20 years ago but I can promise you the decision to award a penalty for the foul on Rooney would have been the same as long as I have watched football
I agree, a lot of the time that's what refs do. I don't think the Laws as they stand really account for the way refs actually judge play, or how fans do for that matter. We judge fouls on what we think was going to happen had they not taken place. If they have had no significant effect (or wouldn't have had the player not dived), we don't regard them as fouls. But that concept is absent from the Laws.
Personally I think this has been one of the more interesting threads in the MU of late, and the funny thing is that some of the people who've been most irritated by it have contributed a lot to it. You're irritated because you're focusing on the Rooney pen., but that's the least interesting part, you see it one way or the other.