Well done Sachin

[vijay]

Best bowlers of Richard's ear were in his team and he never faced them in an international match. That IMO does count against him. Sachin and Lara on the other hand faced the likes of McGrath, Warne, Murali, Waqar and Akram.

You must be a Tendulkar fan... I guess!

Richards has taken likes of Waqar and Wasim to cleaners in the late 80's when they were tearaway fast bowlers whilst Tendulkar dominated them they had their fair share of injuries and lost their pace considerably. Thompson was the fastest bowler ever still he couldn't clatter Richards.

Richards tore apart Clarke, Garner, Roberts, Holding, Marshall etc in the WI first class cricket and averaged around 48 the carribean first class cricket and a bit more in the English counties.

The likes of Richards and Gavaskar scored their runs on dangerous tracks against greatest fastbowlers of all time compared to Tendulkar against (Wasim, Waqar, McDermott, Mc Grath, Akthar and ?) scoring nearly 40% of his runs when the tracks got standardized and batsmen friendly after 1999... boundary ropes dragged inside by 10-15 yards has made even lesser batsman than Tendulkar to outscore him in the last six or seven years.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

If playing cricket was really that easy in Bradman's era, why is he the only player to average that much?

You're exactly right.

Like we were saying before mate it's all proportionate. And personally, for mine (and 99% of the cricket watching community) it's well and truely clear Bradman had some sort of phenominal talent, the likes of which we will never see again.

"Back then 120 might have been the fastest anyone's bowled, but it was still the fastest. Nowdays batsmen are used to 150, and are able to accomodate with all their fancy gear, the rigorous training regimes, the technology used to help enhance one's game, etc. etc.

Bradman is, and will always be, the best player ever."

 

[cesc's_mullet]

You must be a Tendulkar fan... I guess!

Richards has taken likes of Waqar and Wasim to cleaners in the late 80's when they were tearaway fast bowlers whilst Tendulkar dominated them they had their fair share of injuries and lost their pace considerably. Thompson was the fastest bowler ever still he couldn't clatter Richards.

Richards tore apart Clarke, Garner, Roberts, Holding, Marshall etc in the WI first class cricket and averaged around 48 the carribean first class cricket and a bit more in the English counties.

The likes of Richards and Gavaskar scored their runs on dangerous tracks against greatest fastbowlers of all time compared to Tendulkar against (Wasim, Waqar, McDermott, Mc Grath, Akthar and ?) scoring nearly 40% of his runs when the tracks got standardized and batsmen friendly after 1999... boundary ropes dragged inside by 10-15 yards has made even lesser batsman than Tendulkar to outscore him in the last six or seven years.

Was Tendulkar not Glenn McGrath's bunny?

 

[Sultan]

My interest in cricket is coming to an end. A sport I have played, followed and loved all my life.

I hope it's a temporary feeling.

 

[Merman]

My interest in cricket is coming to an end. A sport I have played, followed and loved all my life.

I hope it's a temporary feeling.

I feel the same sults. 90s were the best. Used to dump classes to play or watch cricket when I was a kid.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

My interest in cricket is coming to an end. A sport I have played, followed and loved all my life.

I hope it's a temporary feeling.

This happens.

I played Cricket my whole junior's life, from the age of 10 (in the U12's) up until I was 19... Then I decided I'd absolutely had it up to my ears with Cricket and quit my side, I'd had enough...

Three seasons later, and I'm back and loving it!

Take a siesta, then you'll get your passion back!

 

[Spoony]

My interest in cricket is coming to an end. A sport I have played, followed and loved all my life.

I hope it's a temporary feeling.

I don't think it will be, mainly because I've felt this way for a couple of years. 20/20 doesn't help and it looks as if it'll kill tests matches. I couldn't even be arsed with India/Oz first test, usually I would've been more than interested. 80's and 90's were brilliant, but it's just not the same anymore. The Stamford millions is a move in the wrong direction for me. Players like Harmison finding their form all of a sudden. Next season the England/Sri Lanka series maybe(unless it already has) called off because players are contracted to the IPL(and who can blame them?). The demise of Windies cricket has been painful for cricket lovers and we'll probably see something similar happen to the Pakistani game. And I've not even talked about the corruption that has stained the sport for years. I don't like cricket. . .oh no.

 

[Spoony]

You mentioned Sobers, and to me he was as good as Richards and also never wore protection. He always hooked bouncers - never ducked. Both were similar in style, and the ability to get after any bowler. Richards had more power and Sobers had more variety. His favourite seemed to be the leg flick along the ground for four.

Sober's is arguably the greatest cricketer of all time. My father certainly used to believe this to be the case.

 

[vijay]

Was Tendulkar not Glenn McGrath's bunny?

Lara was a bigger McGrath's bunny than Tendulkar.

But he has taken the attack more to the Aussies than Sachin.

 

[Spoony]

I thought Sachin didn't face Younis and Akram at their peaks? I read some where that India didn;t play Pakistan for a decade or so (test matches).

 

[cesc's_mullet]

I don't think it will be, mainly because I've felt this way for a couple of years. 20/20 doesn't help and it looks as if it'll kill tests matches. I couldn't even be arsed with India/Oz first test, usually I would've been more than interested. 80's and 90's were brilliant, but it's just not the same anymore. The Stamford millions is a move in the wrong direction for me. Players like Harmison finding their form all of a sudden. Next season the England/Sri Lanka series maybe(unless it already has) called off because players are contracted to the IPL(and who can blame them?). The demise of Windies cricket has been painful for cricket lovers and we'll probably see something similar happen to the Pakistani game. And I've not even talked about the corruption that has stained the sport for years. I don't like cricket. . .oh no.

The IPL's deal with the Sri Lankan Cricket association was the first (and will not be the last) nail in the coffin for Test Match Cricket.

Unfortunately the great game is going to be slowly killed off, for the sake of the fanboiiz who want to see Dhoni and the like SmAsH Da BaLLZ LoL. And unfortunately there's nothing we can do, especially when the Associations themselves are caving in and being bought off by the IPL.

(having said all this I did actually enjoy the IPL series, it's good for a change up. and that's where it should stay)

 

[Spoony]

The IPL's deal with the Sri Lankan Cricket association was the first (and will not be the last) nail in the coffin for Test Match Cricket.

Unfortunately the great game is going to be slowly killed off, for the sake of the fanboiiz who want to see Dhoni and the like SmAsH Da BaLLZ LoL.

I think it'll bring in a new generation of fans. I'm not sure they'll be able to watch test match cricket, though, sadly. That said, one can't blame players for being attracted to the IPL. Soon we'll have 20/20 purists and they'll be cursing 5/5.

 

[vijay]

My interest in cricket is coming to an end. A sport I have played, followed and loved all my life.

I hope it's a temporary feeling.

Too much Money with crooked Indian Billionaires and Bollywood matinee idols calling the shots has ruined the game completely...20-20 is a by product.

There were places in Leeward islands.. Grenada, St Vincent etc which were the traditional talent base are more immersed in stupid yank sports. Cricket is slowly getting wiped out from those parts.

The fat fecks in the ICC with Indian Criminals pullling the strings aint clearly bothered about promoting the sport either in Africa or the Windies only intrested in skinning the last penny out of viewers in India, Australia, England and South Africa.

 

[vijay]

I thought Sachin didn't face Younis and Akram at their peaks? I read some where that India didn;t play Pakistan for a decade or so (test matches).

He made his debut when Akram and Younis were at their peak, played some great cameos in the ODI's but when we started playing regular test matches, knee surgeries has taken its toll and both had lost their pace considerably.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

I think it'll bring in a new generation of fans. I'm not sure they'll be able to watch test match cricket, though, sadly. That said, one can't blame players for being attracted to the IPL. Soon we'll have 20/20 purists and they'll be cursing 5/5.

Yeah it obviously appeals to the wider sporting community, especially those who ridicule Test Match Cricket by saying it's too 'boring.'

And you definitely can't blame them, if the money's there you're going to go for it. Though what worries me more immediately is that the players nearing the end of their Test Match career will have (more than) half a mind to retire a few years earlier for the sake of playing in the IPL.

And when you think about it - one months work for MORE money than they're earning in a year with their National Contract... What's there to act as a counterweight? Playing on and probably struggling to hold onto their position, to be dropped unceremoniously?

Celebrity Beach Cricket is the future.

Oh, and at the last comment there, very true.

 

[Spoony]

He made his debut when Akram and Younis were at their peak, played some great cameos in the ODI's but when we started playing regular test matches, knee surgeries has taken its toll and both had lost their pace considerably.

I've been checking up on his career, apparently Sachin and Waqar both debuted in the same game.

India took an unconventional approach to combating the Pakistani pace attack by calling up a "baby-faced 16-year-old with one season of first-class cricket to his name".[18] He made just 15 runs, being bowled by Waqar Younis, who also made his debut in that match, but was impressive in how he handled numerous blows to his body at the hands of the Pakistani pace attack. [18] Tendulkar followed it up with his maiden Test fifty a few days later at Faisalabad. His One Day International (ODI) debut on December 18 was disappointing. He was dismissed without scoring a run, again by Waqar Younis. The series was followed by a tour of New Zealand in which he fell for 88 in the Second Test

 

[Spoony]

Yeah it obviously appeals to the wider sporting community, especially those who ridicule Test Match Cricket by saying it's too 'boring.'

And you definitely can't blame them, if the money's there you're going to go for it. Though what worries me more immediately is that the players nearing the end of their Test Match career will have (more than) half a mind to retire a few years earlier for the sake of playing in the IPL.

And when you think about it - one months work for MORE money than they're earning in a year with their National Contract... What's there to act as a counterweight? Playing on and probably struggling to hold onto their position, to be dropped unceremoniously?

Celebrity Beach Cricket is the future.

Oh, and at the last comment there, very true.

I think there will be franchises all over the globe. Potentially this is can rival most sports in the money stakes.

 

[Merman]

Too much Money with crooked Indian Billionaires and Bollywood matinee idols calling the shots has ruined the game completely...20-20 is a by product.

There were places in Leeward islands.. Grenada, St Vincent etc which were the traditional talent base are more immersed in stupid yank sports. Cricket is slowly getting wiped out from those parts.

The fat fecks in the ICC with Indian Criminals pullling the strings aint clearly bothered about promoting the sport either in Africa or the Windies only intrested in skinning the last penny out of viewers in India, Australia, England and South Africa.

perfectly summed up

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Too much Money with crooked Indian Billionaires and Bollywood matinee idols calling the shots has ruined the game completely...20-20 is a by product.

There were places in Leeward islands.. Grenada, St Vincent etc which were the traditional talent base are more immersed in stupid yank sports. Cricket is slowly getting wiped out from those parts.

The fat fecks in the ICC with Indian Criminals pullling the strings aint clearly bothered about promoting the sport either in Africa or the Windies only intrested in skinning the last penny out of viewers in India, Australia, England and South Africa.

Very true.

And unfortunately as the ball's rolling now there's literally nothing we can do about it.

Unless of course each individual Cricket Association decides to compete investment-wise, but I think we all know they're more than happy with taking the IPL's money instead.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

I think there will be franchises all over the globe. Potentially this is can rival most sports in the money stakes.

Yeah, there's been talk of a few (two?) Australian teams joining the fray. Which would be good TBH, though once all this happens we could effectively say Cricket = Soccer.

I'm thinking there'll be a bit of a shift, from the traditionalists, back towards County Cricket (and other grass roots competitions).

Hell, I might even have to start supporting Victoria...

 

[Spoony]

Yeah, there's been talk of a few (two?) Australian teams joining the fray. Which would be good TBH, though once all this happens we could effectively say Cricket = Soccer.

Hell, I might even have to start supporting Victoria...

I think test nations will definitely have franchises. But I think other countries outside of the cricketing fraternity, will join the fray. New York Clubbers Vs Tehran Toecrushers - it'll happen, I tell you.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

(stop quoting me before I finish editing my posts damn you! make me look like a fool!)

And yeah I could see other nations where Cricket is less prediminant entering the fray at some stage.

 

[Spoony]

Anyway, the origin of the term 'yorker'.

The term is thought to derive from the 18th and 19th century slang term "to pull yorkshire" on a person meaning to trick or deceive them. The origin of the term was once debated on the BBC radio programme Test Match Special, but to no avail. The only conclusion from the commentary team was "What else would you call it?"

 

[crappycraperson]

You must be a Tendulkar fan... I guess!

Richards has taken likes of Waqar and Wasim to cleaners in the late 80's when they were tearaway fast bowlers whilst Tendulkar dominated them they had their fair share of injuries and lost their pace considerably. Thompson was the fastest bowler ever still he couldn't clatter Richards.

Richards tore apart Clarke, Garner, Roberts, Holding, Marshall etc in the WI first class cricket and averaged around 48 the carribean first class cricket and a bit more in the English counties.

The likes of Richards and Gavaskar scored their runs on dangerous tracks against greatest fastbowlers of all time compared to Tendulkar against (Wasim, Waqar, McDermott, Mc Grath, Akthar and ?) scoring nearly 40% of his runs when the tracks got standardized and batsmen friendly after 1999... boundary ropes dragged inside by 10-15 yards has made even lesser batsman than Tendulkar to outscore him in the last six or seven years.

Actually I already said that Richards was better than Sachin. I thought Akram's debut was in late 90's, was wrong.

And boundaries ropes only started to come in after 2002/3. That too only in ODIs, I am not sure if they have come in tests, at least not in all venues. Even then Sachin was at his peak before 2000's. It was a shame that everyone went ODI crazy in 90's and Sachin did not play as many tests he should have then.

 

[ZIDANE]

My interest in cricket is coming to an end. A sport I have played, followed and loved all my life.

I hope it's a temporary feeling.

Nah most people are like that at the moment - its gone into a big lull.

I've not bothered paying attention to India v Aus or any other match. Pak haven't even played a test match this year. What have we got to look forward too? . . this multimillionaire match? T20 Cup? Look at all the top bowlers about now - no disrespect but they're not much to how it was even at the turn of the century.

I thought Sachin didn't face Younis and Akram at their peaks? I read some where that India didn;t play Pakistan for a decade or so (test matches).

I've been checking up on his career, apparently Sachin and Waqar both debuted in the same game.

India took an unconventional approach to combating the Pakistani pace attack by calling up a "baby-faced 16-year-old with one season of first-class cricket to his name".[18] He made just 15 runs, being bowled by Waqar Younis, who also made his debut in that match, but was impressive in how he handled numerous blows to his body at the hands of the Pakistani pace attack. [18] Tendulkar followed it up with his maiden Test fifty a few days later at Faisalabad. His One Day International (ODI) debut on December 18 was disappointing. He was dismissed without scoring a run, again by Waqar Younis. The series was followed by a tour of New Zealand in which he fell for 88 in the Second Test

They made their debuts with each other but then things between Pak & India turned bad - various reasons like Kashmir etc. It was the early/mid 90's where they didn't play in each others backyard for years - they did play a few times outside of both countries though - various cups / ODI's I think.

They started up again in the late 90's but even then the actual full tours didn't start till 2004. And to tie in with this thread that was when Sachin became the first Indian to hit a century in PAK - albeit in a ODI. I remember they ended up winning both the ODI and Test Series - dark days.

 

[surf]

The hardest striker ever was Greendige. He can tonk the ball harder on Richards, be it in cover drives, square cuts or pull shots. Ian Chappel once said Aussies players were always reluctant stand in the cover and point position for Greenidge for the fear of getting hurt.

Greenidge is a good call. I can't think of a better opening pair than him and Barry Richards for Hants, not even at test level. The Windies had a scary top three of Fredericks, Greenidge and V Richards.

And I agree with Spoony that the demise of the Windies has hit the game hard. If I could make one change to the modern game it would be to see all those Carribean batsmen and fast bowlers from the 50's to the 80's back in the game and taking it to the Aussies.

 

[Spoony]

Shame that'll never happen, though. You can blame the popularity of basketball, but the signs were there even in the late 80's. Viv Richards said that they almost lost Curtley Ambrose to basketball. Sadly, no one gave a shite about the state of cricket at the grassroots level. They probably thought they'd keep churning out fast bowlers and big hitting top order batsmen. If anything, the likes of Marshall, Garner, Holding et al should've been a catalyst for another generation of brilliant fast bowlers, but other than Ambrose and Bishop they didn't produce many even in the late 80's.(although they probably were a product of the early 80's).

 

[crappycraperson]

Pitches in the Windies have slowed down a lot. You won't see any tear away bowlers coming out of there any time soon.

I am not as pessimistic as some of you. Cricket is definitely going through a low right now but it is not doomed. The whole 20/20 thing will blow over. It will last but it would not take down Test cricket, ODIs at best. The whole IPL thing is basically part of the power struggle between ICC and BCCI. You will see a separate window opening up for these events at the cost of probably Champions trophy.

In a way things do need to get worse so that all the new 20-20 pretenders feck off and then cricketing authorities will wake up and try to pull back the purists.

And the whole 'bring back the old days' cry is not only limited to cricket. It is the same with football for example.

 

[Spoony]

Pitches in the Windies have slowed down a lot. You won't see any tear away bowlers coming out of there any time soon.



And the whole 'bring back the old days' cry is not only limited to cricket. It is the same with football for example.

Nah, football's in a much healthier state than it was in the 70's and 80's. Certainly in England. Cricket's gone the opposite way, though. As for pitches in the Caribbean, they've slowed down because they don't have any fast bowlers anymore. Besides, kids never learnt their cricket(fast bowling in particular) at grounds, but on the beach, with tennis balls that had their felt burned off. Thesedays kids would rather play other sports and you're finding that a large percentage of the newer generation are of Indian origin. . .and they prefer spin bowling.

 

[Donaldo]

Best bowlers of Richard's ear were in his team and he never faced them in an international match. That IMO does count against him. Sachin and Lara on the other hand faced the likes of McGrath, Warne, Murali, Waqar and Akram.

A bit late.

But this is utter bullshit.

 

[zing]

It's a shame there isn't a way to make people who haven't been to India understand what kind of pressure Sachin plays under.

Anyway, check this out.. YouTube - Harsha Bhogle on Sachin Tendulkar