We should learn from Brazil

Originally posted by Amir:
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No hunger? didn't fight? No passion? Sometimes I wonder what the english expect to see for them to say 'the players fought'. I guess unless you bleed like Terry Butcher, you didn't actually fight.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed...

i hate when peeps say we don't play with passiom hunger blah blah blah... whats passion?? diving around on your arse??
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Brazil will IMO be punished by a better attacking team than England, i.e Spain</strong><hr></blockquote>

If Raul is fit then possibly. We've yet to see Brazil's top gear - they've coasted through so far apart from Turkey.

I fancy S.Korea to beat Spain unless Spains really on top of their game.

I like the way S.Korea and Senegal are playing. They have done everything right IMO. Pehaps these Man Utd stars can learn from S.Korea too.

You know whats the sign of a team playing the right way? Being able to come back. Ireland, S.Korea, Brazil - so many teams have shown that fight and hunger to win and that alone can overcome deficiencies in your squad i.e. poor players, poor defence. We used to have it Goddamnit - that ability to get last minute winners. I've only seen glimpses for the past 3 seasons!

Cmon Fergie, learn from these teams. They have what we lack, if we had these last few ingredients we'd be invincible.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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agreed...

i hate when peeps say we don't play with passiom hunger blah blah blah... whats passion?? diving around on your arse??</strong><hr></blockquote>

This kind of attitude is why we didnt win, this is why Keano bust his gut at the Irish, this is why Man Utd won feck all with the best squad in the world.

You want to see fight and hunger? Go look at S.Korea! Go look at Brazil, Senegal, Arsenal, Liverpool. Go look at David Beckham against Greece whilst every other player was doing feck all. Go look at Ireland in every bloody game they played the heroic bastards. Its fecking obvious! It stares you in the face. England didnt fight today. How the Hell can you even dispute this?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Brazil is not shite of course. But today's match can only make me believe that there is not many things for us to learn from Brazil. How did Brazil beat England today? Not the great fullback or great winger or great DM or great attitude you mentioned earlier. They won by the genius skill and creativity of Ronaldino. So the only thing to learn today: The way to beat a tight and hard defence is to get someone with the unpredictable genius and creativity such as Ronaldino.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right, Brazil did not have a masterclass in football today. But they played good, consistant football all the same and we can learn.

I am not exaggerating when I say Brazil = 99, England = 2002. England today reminded me exactly of Man Utd's lost games, probably because it was our midfield making the same mistakes. England's erratic form mirrors Man Utd's lethargic season but: with a less effective strikeforce = less wins and a better defence = less losses = more draws.

Brazil play constant football all the time, when they aren't exceptionally genius, they hold the ball. They controlled the game against 11 men and some of the best players in the world, they pass it around, there is always movement up front. England, like Man Utd get to the opponents box, and come backwards because no movement to create space, to distribute the ball. Brazilians can always find a pass.

Brazil dont even get to the byline that often, the ball has been distributed by then. There is always someone available for the ball.

Too negative, not enough killer instinct and directness. Brazil just go for the kill, no thinking, just go on the pitch and go towards the goal, its so direct and ruthless.

Its just football.
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Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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England today reminded me exactly of Man Utd's lost games, probably because it was our midfield making the same mistakes. England's erratic form mirrors Man Utd's lethargic season but: with a less effective strikeforce = less wins and a better defence = less losses = more draws.
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must admit that second half reminded me of the game at OT with Arsenal...created feck all!!!
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HAHAHA THEY'RE ONLY WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

You bunch of fecking plonkers calling Brazil shite etc etc.

You just couldnt get it more wrong really.

We should definitely learn a few things from Brazil.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>HAHAHA THEY'RE ONLY WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

You bunch of fecking plonkers calling Brazil shite etc etc.

You just couldnt get it more wrong really.

We should definitely learn a few things from Brazil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shao, when you started this thread Brazil were not all that great. We all actually pointed out the midfield was non-existent and the defence looked shabby. Then they changed that by taking out Juninho and including Kleberson, who had a greater midfield presence.

Once that happened you could see them much stronger in defence, which also gave the defenders more time/confidence to push forward.

Before the 3rd defender was trying to go up and sort out the midifeld, once it was sorted you could see them taking turns (Lucio especially) to go forward. That's one thing we might have to learn, true. Our style of play has been all too predictable. Leaving the genius aside (which played a large part in Brazil's success and, I have said before, we should get Ronaldinho Gaucho) how do you defend against a side that is constantly switching attacking options?

It is painful to see how we can get marked out of a game. We keep trying to find RVN but he has two guys on, yet we insist. Brazil gets two men on Ronaldo and takes advantage of that using other options. Imagine a standard manager in the dugout "What the feck is that Lucio guy doing as CF?". Next thing it's Cafu picking up a through ball and on hs way to goal...

How do you defend against that? Sooner or later they score, it's inevitable. But sometimes we watch United and know, just know, they just can't do it. fecking painful it is and maybe something to have in mind when we look at strengthening the defence, do we go for solid back four or "we will outscore you anyway"?
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I disagree Amir, I was gonna let this thread die but I have to say that I think our current crop is better than Brazil. Thats if they perform.

The biggest thing we can learn from Brazil is attitude. They have FREEDOM to EXPRESS. They go out and enjoy themselves and just play football - isnt that right?

If our players were allowed to express themselves and enjoy their football I think we're untouchable, look at Spurs. They just went out and had fun and it was devastating - nothing to lose. But most other times, esp. with big games, our players crumble and tense up.

Beckham no longer crosses and pushes the LB deep. Giggs doesnt run players ragged, Scholes looks like he's scared of the ball and cant wait to get rid of it and he no longer ghosts in to the box. Its like they're in a cage and their hearts and heads have dropped. This midfield should bloody impose themselves, they're a perfect blend of players and the things I mentioned above ARE abit like genius, what they do you cant defend against it. But they are not turning it on.

I dont know what it is but before we fix anything we have to fix this or else we wont win anything again. This team has an opportunity like no other in English history to dominate Europe.

Maybe we should show them the Munich history and show them all that potential wasted, but that they are here and have the opportunity that was stolen from the Babes - to become a great European side.
 
Club and international style of game is different. You cannot say who would win, I guess you'll have to organise a match between them to find out. :)
 
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