We need a fecking centre forward thread

[Longlivekeano]

for this season, we need to have 3 possible forward options.

method 1: martial is fit and so, plays whole match.

method 2: martial is unfit for impt games
- rashford starts and plays for 60mins to run defenders ragged
- Ronaldo plays last 30 mins with tiring defenders and more open spaces

method 3: martial is unfit for unimpt games (Europa, league cup or lower table EPL opposition)
- Ronaldo to start and plays for 60 mins
- Rashford gets last 30 mins

 

[Marcus]

I think we should just look at which strikers are most similar in football qualities to Arnautovic. Since that is the strikers EtH initially wanted. Probably someone who can score with his head and can bully centre backs. You would say Ronaldo fits the bill if only he was more mobile and erm willing to come onto the field.

Based on FIFA 22, probably Lautaro Martinez seems the best option based on age in terms of heading ability.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Football isnt spray and pray. When you're not ready you're not ready.

A youth can do a macheda one match by just being lucky or on fire, but on the grand scheme of things coaches knows if they're ready or not.

They're not playing for a reason

I'm still mystified what happened to Macheda. He won the Young POTY award, scored a game-winner in his first appearance, scored the equalizer in his second senior appearance, and then disappeared.

 

[Sky1981]

I'm still mystified what happened to Macheda. He won the Young POTY award, scored a game-winner in his first appearance, scored the equalizer in his second senior appearance, and then disappeared.

He's just not good enough. there's no magic to it.

Fergie probably played a hunch or a hail mary or simply throwing the wrench and macheda made a meal out of it.

 

[pascell]

I'm still mystified what happened to Macheda. He won the Young POTY award, scored a game-winner in his first appearance, scored the equalizer in his second senior appearance, and then disappeared.

It all went to his head and he stopped doing the necessary things like training with the right focus and intensity, said as much himself in an interview.

 

[Longlivekeano]

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He's just not good enough. there's no magic to it.

Fergie probably played a hunch or a hail mary or simply throwing the wrench and macheda made a meal out of it.

there’s a podcast where macheda was interviewed by Rio where macheda admitted he stopped working hard once he made the breakthrough. Also, he independently forced a loan move to Serie A clubs (against Fergie’s advice). The combination of which eventually saw him slip down the hierarchy of clubs…

 

[JohnnyLaw]

I think we should just look at which strikers are most similar in football qualities to Arnautovic. Since that is the strikers EtH initially wanted. Probably someone who can score with his head and can bully centre backs. You would say Ronaldo fits the bill if only he was more mobile and erm willing to come onto the field.

Similar players according to Fbref stats.
Jonathan David there again. Not quite at Arnautovic’ stature and has only scored 4 headed goals in club competitions but has been rumored to be a favorite of Ten Hags in the past.

1	Joaquín Correa	ar ARG	Internazionale	Compare
2	Kévin Gameiro	fr FRA	Strasbourg	Compare
3	Breel Embolo	ch SUI	Monaco	Compare
4	Jonathan David	ca CAN	Lille	Compare
5	Habib Diallo	sn SEN	Strasbourg	Compare
6	Taiwo Awoniyi	ng NGA	Nottingham Forest	Compare
7	Alexandre Lacazette	fr FRA	Lyon	Compare
8	Iago Aspas	es ESP	Celta Vigo	Compare
9	Wissam Ben Yedder	fr FRA	Monaco	Compare
10	Andrej Kramarić	hr CRO	Hoffenheim	Compare

 

[Hal9000]

I'm still mystified what happened to Macheda. He won the Young POTY award, scored a game-winner in his first appearance, scored the equalizer in his second senior appearance, and then disappeared.

He openly admits that once he got into the first team he was doing the bare minimum training wise. He also ignored Fergie about going on loan in England and went to Italy instead. Then injuries and injuries and more injuries, think he had a back issue that he tried to play through for years.

 

[izak]

We need a powerhouse of a striker with fantastic hold up and link up play, a striker that is technically gifted and most importantly can score goals. Who is this said striker??

 

[Marcus]

Similar players according to Fbref stats.
Jonathan David there again. Not quite at Arnautovic’ stature and has only scored 4 headed goals in club competitions but has been rumored to be a favorite of Ten Hags in the past.

1	Joaquín Correa	ar ARG	Internazionale	Compare
2	Kévin Gameiro	fr FRA	Strasbourg	Compare
3	Breel Embolo	ch SUI	Monaco	Compare
4	Jonathan David	ca CAN	Lille	Compare
5	Habib Diallo	sn SEN	Strasbourg	Compare
6	Taiwo Awoniyi	ng NGA	Nottingham Forest	Compare
7	Alexandre Lacazette	fr FRA	Lyon	Compare
8	Iago Aspas	es ESP	Celta Vigo	Compare
9	Wissam Ben Yedder	fr FRA	Monaco	Compare
10	Andrej Kramarić	hr CRO	Hoffenheim	Compare

Wow, left foot, right foot and headed goals. Looks very interesting.

 

[Tony247]

People are going to think this is silly but I rate Nunez very highly.

He has all the attributes to be one of the best strikers in the world.

This hypothesis is based on very little evidence so far.

 

[The Original]

I think we should just look at which strikers are most similar in football qualities to Arnautovic. Since that is the strikers EtH initially wanted. Probably someone who can score with his head and can bully centre backs. You would say Ronaldo fits the bill if only he was more mobile and erm willing to come onto the field.

If this is the requirement then Victor Osimhen is the one. I have no idea why he's still in Italy. He's perfect for England.

 

[nakpodiareuben]

During the transfer windows, we heard a story about victor Osimhen coming in a swap deal for Ronaldo. It did not work then but if united wind the screw on that deal, it will work and it would be a great deal for us.

I know he is a united fan and would love to come to England , he is feracious and not tired of running. Can score all kind of goals and would definitely suit our style. I heard the fee can go above 100m but I would take it if he is actually 24.

I always have a problem with our scouting, Napoli brought him from lille for less than 50m pounds and will be selling him more than x2 of that. Since Rooney, I doubt if we have wisely cashed in on any real talent.

 

[nakpodiareuben]

I'm still mystified what happened to Macheda. He won the Young POTY award, scored a game-winner in his first appearance, scored the equalizer in his second senior appearance, and then disappeared.

He is currently in MKE Ankaragucu at age 31. Funny how I then thought he would replace Rooney in the first team. Talent can only take you far, hardwork keeps you there.

 

[Baxquux]

During the transfer windows, we heard a story about victor Osimhen coming in a swap deal for Ronaldo. It did not work then but if united wind the screw on that deal, it will work and it would be a great deal for us.

I know he is a united fan and would love to come to England , he is feracious and not tired of running. Can score all kind of goals and would definitely suit our style. I heard the fee can go above 100m but I would take it if he is actually 24.

I always have a problem with our scouting, Napoli brought him from lille for less than 50m pounds and will be selling him more than x2 of that. Since Rooney, I doubt if we have wisely cashed in on any real talent.

I think the wider point about us not cashing on talent is on the money, but in the case of Osimhen (who I agree would improve us), I think Napoli paid close to 70m for him at the time from Lille. It was one of those Nicolas Pepe/Jao Felix deals where the player is clearly talented (Felix more so) and had a good preceding season, but the fee is exorbitant or at least a real roll of the dice given the league being bought from, the lack of sustained track record etc...

 

[Baxquux]

I think the wider point about us not cashing on talent is on the money, but in the case of Osimhen (who I agree would improve us), I think Napoli paid close to 70m for him at the time from Lille. It was one of those Nicolas Pepe/Joao Felix deals where the player is clearly talented (Felix more so) and had a good preceding season, but the fee is exorbitant or at least a real roll of the dice given the league being bought from, the lack of sustained track record etc...

TBF Antony falls within this category too, although the early signs point to him being more of an Osimhen consistent threat than a Pepe hot-and-cold type...

 

[JustCoco]

Can't believe I agree with Ivan Toney.
Sounds like a fever dream thinking he'd be a top player in our team, but he fits the profile and more importantly can actually finish.

It's probably due to all that brainwashing of big teams need to buy big names.
Let's go with the Fergie approach then, buy solid/unknown players and turn them into household names, I preferred that approach tbh

 

[UpWithRivers]

I dont get wanting Osimhen. Yes he is a good player with a lot of qualities. As a 40/50 mill back up sure. But 100 mill for a striker thats scored what 14 max goals in Seria A is not exactly prolific. We need a 20 plus goal striker. Ok we can play the Liverpool way and get the goals from the wingers etc but we dont exactly have Salah/Mane/Trent type players racking in goals. So we need a prolific striker

 

[JB7]

Keep Kane away from this club. Top player but not the type of striker we need.

He's clearly better playing alongside another striker as he does with Son or wide attackers looking on making runs in behind. He's also not someone I think could keep up with our pressing.

Kane's best quality right now is creating chances, we don't need that as much as we have many creative players we need someone in the box to put chances away. Kane spends too much time outside of the box for my liking. He's scoring ay Spurs but wouldn't be surprised if his goals dried up if he moved here.

Get a young and mobile striker with good hold up play.

I'm not necessarily saying Kane is the one, although he is a brilliant footballer but I've got to pick you up on this because it's just nonsense.

"He's clearly better playing alongside another striker" - he's pretty much universally played as a lone striker throughout his career apart from the last couple of games

"or with wide attackers looking on making runs in behind" - like Antony then?

"He's also not someone I think could keep up with our pressing" - He managed alright under Pochettino when Spurs were one of the best pressing sides in the league

"Kane's best quality right now is creating chances" - 10 goals in 12 league games so far suggests otherwise

"we need someone in the box to put chances away. Kane spends too much time outside of the box for my liking." - 11 goals in all competitions, 10 from inside the box; 5 being headers

 

[Hughie77]

We do need one, ETH I think had earmarked Martial as his 9, the guys been injured more than played had a great pre season then gets crocked. We need a power full CF imo a guy who can bully a few defenders and hit the target.
L.Martinez is one I think is worth a look.

 

[Lights Out]

I dont get wanting Osimhen. Yes he is a good player with a lot of qualities. As a 40/50 mill back up sure. But 100 mill for a striker thats scored what 14 max goals in Seria A is not exactly prolific. We need a 20 plus goal striker. Ok we can play the Liverpool way and get the goals from the wingers etc but we dont exactly have Salah/Mane/Trent type players racking in goals. So we need a prolific striker

I was on the fence but he absolutely destroyed Liverpool in that first half this season. He was sensational.

 

[UpWithRivers]

I was on the fence but he absolutely destroyed Liverpool in that first half this season. He was sensational.

So did Taiwo Awoniyi. Liverpool not exactly at the top of their game this season

 

[croadyman]

Can't believe I agree with Ivan Toney.
Sounds like a fever dream thinking he'd be a top player in our team, but he fits the profile and more importantly can actually finish.

It's probably due to all that brainwashing of big teams need to buy big names.
Let's go with the Fergie approach then, buy solid/unknown players and turn them into household names, I preferred that approach tbh

That approach would certainly be beneficial,however have we got the right scouting and recruitment team to make it happen

 

[croadyman]

I dont get wanting Osimhen. Yes he is a good player with a lot of qualities. As a 40/50 mill back up sure. But 100 mill for a striker thats scored what 14 max goals in Seria A is not exactly prolific. We need a 20 plus goal striker. Ok we can play the Liverpool way and get the goals from the wingers etc but we dont exactly have Salah/Mane/Trent type players racking in goals. So we need a prolific striker

Who would you sign then?

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

i must admit tp coming round to the idea of a cheeky bid for Kane. Spurs are beginning to look like......Spurs again and there is no chance of a move to City, Liverpool or one of the big Spanish outfits. Bayern are rumoured to be interested but would it really be wise to leave the EPL at peak to go to Bundesliga.

 

[bond19821982]

So did Taiwo Awoniyi. Liverpool not exactly at the top of their game this season

Not exactly a fair comparison. He would be a great option for about 60m but Napoli won't consider anything below 100. So I will pass.

 

[BerryBerryShrew]

I dont get wanting Osimhen. Yes he is a good player with a lot of qualities. As a 40/50 mill back up sure. But 100 mill for a striker thats scored what 14 max goals in Seria A is not exactly prolific. We need a 20 plus goal striker. Ok we can play the Liverpool way and get the goals from the wingers etc but we dont exactly have Salah/Mane/Trent type players racking in goals. So we need a prolific striker

Oshimen's all round game is exceptional though. His hold up play is better than any other striker in the world (aside from Lewa) and he is a one man pressing machine.

I didn't see much of him prior to this season so when I heard the Drogba comparisons I though that they were lazy (African striker=Drogba) but he really is the closest thing to Drogba in the world game right now.

If we were confident about his injury record, I'd drop €100m on him. He's fantastic.

 

[Lights Out]

So did Taiwo Awoniyi. Liverpool not exactly at the top of their game this season

If you are genuinely comparing those two performances then either you didn’t watch them or you’re on a wind up.

 

[Wrecking ralf]

Oshimen's all round game is exceptional though. His hold up play is better than any other striker in the world (aside from Lewa) and he is a one man pressing machine.

I didn't see much of him prior to this season so when I heard the Drogba comparisons I though that they were lazy (African striker=Drogba) but he really is the closest thing to Drogba in the world game right now.

If we were confident about his injury record, I'd drop €100m on him. He's fantastic.

How is his finishing? I’ve seen more of David and not enough of Oshimen to make a decent enough comparison. David seems to have a pretty good eye for goal. Almost like a more mobile and energetic Martial.

 

[UpWithRivers]

If you are genuinely comparing those two performances then either you didn’t watch them or you’re on a wind up.

I was just making a point that Liverpool are sht

 

[ROFLUTION]

Oshimen's all round game is exceptional though. His hold up play is better than any other striker in the world (aside from Lewa) and he is a one man pressing machine.

I didn't see much of him prior to this season so when I heard the Drogba comparisons I though that they were lazy (African striker=Drogba) but he really is the closest thing to Drogba in the world game right now.

If we were confident about his injury record, I'd drop €100m on him. He's fantastic.

havent seen much of Oshimen but a lot of all touches videos on him and my first impression is that he’s a mobile, fast and technical striker ala Rashford. He turns quickly and makes his front able to run direct at defenders much like Rashford. Much better in the air though and a possibly a better finisher. (It’d take a lot to not be better in that area). Drogba’s use of physique was something completely else imo. Always looked for the fight, Osimhen is more of just really good at holding up the ball with a defender on his back and he can go both ways, so he’s very good in his allround game as you say.

Looks a great fit for us if he can score goals. 4 goals in 11 games in Serie A this season is not much however. 14 goals last season. I guess he’s developing though.

 

[ROFLUTION]

I'm not necessarily saying Kane is the one, although he is a brilliant footballer but I've got to pick you up on this because it's just nonsense.

"He's clearly better playing alongside another striker" - he's pretty much universally played as a lone striker throughout his career apart from the last couple of games

"or with wide attackers looking on making runs in behind" - like Antony then?

"He's also not someone I think could keep up with our pressing" - He managed alright under Pochettino when Spurs were one of the best pressing sides in the league

"Kane's best quality right now is creating chances" - 10 goals in 12 league games so far suggests otherwise

"we need someone in the box to put chances away. Kane spends too much time outside of the box for my liking." - 11 goals in all competitions, 10 from inside the box; 5 being headers

Spot on. Rashford would probably take up Son’s role. Imagine how many of kane setting up Son chances Rashford would bury

Kane’s been oozing class this season. Does the simple things and he does them in a great way. He’s getting more clever with age it seems.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

We need a powerhouse of a striker with fantastic hold up and link up play, a striker that is technically gifted and most importantly can score goals. Who is this said striker??

Robert Lewandowski?

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Spot on. Rashford would probably take up Son’s role. Imagine how many of kane setting up Son chances Rashford would bury

Kane’s been oozing class this season. Does the simple things and he does them in a great way. He’s getting more clever with age it seems.

Are you saying Rashford would finish better than Son ?

 

[Primex]

Plan A:Sign Kane and wait for sesko
Plan B:sign Osimhen or vlahovic
Plan mehn:sign either David,shick or felix

 

[Wrecking ralf]

Plan A:Sign Kane and wait for sesko
Plan B:sign Osimhen or vlahovic
Plan mehn:sign either David,shick or felix

Why is Sesko in plan A. He’s only scored like 4 goals hasn’t he. Is he really progressing enough to warrant him being a replacement to Kane

 

[croadyman]

Plan A:Sign Kane and wait for sesko
Plan B:sign Osimhen or vlahovic
Plan mehn:sign either David,shick or felix

IF Kane was really our plan A for a striker then surely the likes of Whitwell/Ducker would know about it.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

dont get wanting Osimhen. Yes he is a good player with a lot of qualities. As a 40/50 mill back up sure. But 100 mill for a striker thats scored what 14 max goals in Seria A is not exactly prolific. We need a 20 plus goal striker.

4 goals in 11 games in Serie A this season is not much however. 14 goals last season

Limited use and / or interpretation of the stats here.

Osimhen has played 4,121 minutes in Serie A - the equivalent of 46 games. He's scored 28 goals, with 0 penalties. Those are elite goalscoring numbers.

His problem so far has been some bad luck with injuries, which is why his playing time has been relatively low.

 

[Shakesy]

Which ex-Utd CFs that weren't good enough would you want in our team now?

Forlan? Welbeck? Macheda?

 

[TheRedHearted]

Plan A:Sign Kane and wait for sesko
Plan B:sign Osimhen or vlahovic
Plan mehn:sign either David,shick or felix

You forgot lautaro Martinez and gapko