We know we can't compete with PSG and City, but...

For your information, you won the battle against PSG to get Depay!

Depay nearly joined Paris Saint-Germain before completed Manchester United transfer


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...pay-Paris-Saint-Germain-Lyon-Ligue-1-Mourinho

Next, look at the acquisition prices of PSG defenders and explain me why you can't compete
Central defenders: Thiago Silva: 42 m (2012) + Marquinhos 31.5m (2013) + Kimpembe (academy)
Left- back: Kurzawa 22m (2015) + Berchiche: 15m (2017)
Right-Back: Dani Alves (free agent) + Meunier 7 millions (2016)

PSG - Total: 118 millions of euros


Central defenders: Virgil van Dijk: 84 millions (2017) + Lovren 22 millions + Gomez 4 m + Klavan 5 m
Left- back: Robertson 9m + Moreno 14 m
Right-Back: Clyne 14m

Liverpool - Total: 152 millions of euros
 
Manchester united cannot compete with a state funded surgar daddy club when it comes to transfers. We need to be smarter and buy players when they are not so well known and loan them out. If any of them are good enough then terminate the loan and get them back here.
 
We know we can't compete with PSG and City budget-wise, but we should be going all out for top class players on a free, like Ozil and Goretzka. That way we can still do 2 or 3 every summer alongside any free players we get. In addition to this, promote 1 or 2 Reserves.

We have to be realistic and admit we still don't have top class 1st team whereas teams like City, PSG, Barca and Madrid can make another 11 with players not in their 1st team.

I really hope Mourinho takes this route. As players of Ozil and Goretzka would normally cost over 40m at least each.

As at the moment we are plugging leaks with 1st team replacements (getting rid of the deadwood slowly) .

I don't buy into this idea that you can't compete with City budgetwise. That's even more true with wages than transfer fees. We have simply spent the money better in the last few years (having spent it pretty poorly by & large in the preceeding years), with more structure and of course, getting the players to play at their best

Those who are playing regularly right now and who contribute the most are Ederson, Walker, Delph, Otamendi, Fernandinho, KDB, Silva, Aguero, Sterling & Sane. None of those players were cheap, but they mostly cost between 35 & 50M, very few other than perhaps Aguero and arguably KDB were considered truly top level marquee signings at the time we bought them. Stones & Mendy at a pinch, but I don't mention them in my list as they've been injured for a while and even then, not sure they are true marquee signings. Most have been bought over a period of three years, some longer ago. Many of them were written off 12 months ago as not good enough. Many current united players, at the time of purchase, were considered equal or better than their city counterparts. On paper, if you think back to just a few months ago at the beginning of this season, if you'd been told that list would start most games, would you have been concerned about City ? I'd bet not for most people - even now it doesn't look that good on paper, let alone before the first game of the season was played

But every single one of those city players in my list are right now playing the very best football of their career to date. How many United players can that be said about ? (genuine open question - I don't watch them enough to be sure. But I suspect very few ?)

Budget or not, I don't believe on paper the United squad was particularly inferior to the city one, at the time of purchase. So it's either buying the wrong players for the squad/system/manager, or they are being poorly coached. To look at how much United have spent in total on the current squad, or how much individually on the best players within the squad, and say it's because not enough money is being spent, doesn't seem right to me
 
Players also choose PSG as they are currently are much more attractive option, in every way.

It's not automatic.

For example, last summer, PSG did want to recruit the Argentine centre-back Juan Foyth from Estudiantes.

He rejected PSG because he knew he would be the 3rd or 4th CB so he joined Tottenham for £8m in order to get more playing time and because of Pochettino too.
 
You can compete with them. You are literally the richest club in the world. This shit is getting ridiculous. Man up you goddamn crybabies.
Yeah pretty confusing. OK we can't quite compete when it comes to signing Neymar and signing Mbappe in the same window, but PSG is the only club in the world who can do that. Us and City are pretty much in the same boat I'd say, or at least over the last 5 years in terms of spending. They might have spent a bit more but I'm sure we could have spent the same if we got our targets. But a lack of money really isn't a problem that United have.
 
This is one of the biggest myths in world football. Sir Alex helped the Glazers sell this lie to United fans worldwide and we have taken it as the gospel truth ever since.

The cover-up is just a scheme designed to allow the Glazers to eat as much profit as they wish instead of investing heavily in the squad. If United’s turnover is £600m annually, why can’t they compete with City & PSG?

This myth still lives and it’s made the average fan readily accept mediocrity. Instead of shopping and hoping to sign young world class players, we are contented with the Obertans & the Bebes of this world.

The other big clubs have left us behind. When Jose pointed this out few days ago, some of our fans were even saying he’s just making excuses and he should get on with it. They can’t even realise Jose was fighting for the fans. We need to wake up.
We are rich, but we can only spend what we earn, whereas City and PSG literally have entire countries funding them
 
It's not automatic.

For example, last summer, PSG did want to recruit the Argentine centre-back Juan Foyth from Estudiantes.

He rejected PSG because he knew he would be the 3rd or 4th CB so he joined Tottenham for £8m in order to get more playing time and because of Pochettino too.

To be fair, who cares about an Argentinian stopper that isn’t even getting game time at Spurs? I guess the discussion is about the real players that make a difference (on paper) - the Mbappe’s and so forth.
 
To be fair, who cares about an Argentinian stopper that isn’t even getting game time at Spurs? I guess the discussion is about the real players that make a difference (on paper) - the Mbappe’s and so forth.

If a very young promising offensive talent wants to join a top club, he may ignore PSG and prefer a great club like United with a more limited competition in attack.

Dembélé left Rennes to join Dortmund: he turned down offers from more attractive clubs like PSG and Barcelona (dream club). He knew he would have the opportunity to develop his game in a club known for trusting youth. He could have earned more money elsewhere.
 
Players also choose PSG as they are currently are much more attractive option, in every way.

In which ways ?

Wages ? Do you think apart from Neymar and maybe Mbappe that they have any players earning more than Pogba ?

Prestige ? Do you think playing for PSG in a second rate 2 team lge carries more prestige than playing for Manchester United the most recognised football club in the world , playing in the richest most competitive lge in world football ?

PSG are an all hype ,fur coat no knickers club

FFS we are Manchester United !
 
We are rich, but we can only spend what we earn, whereas City and PSG literally have entire countries funding them


The turnover is £600m. Even by FFP standard, if we spend half of £600m, we are still considered healthy. If we have been spending the best part of £300m on this squad since SAF left, we would have the same quality of players in Real Madrid or Barca.

Similay, by FFP standard, CITY & PSG can only spend what they earn too. There’s no gimmick behind it. If they bend the rules in one season, they’d have to do zero transfers in the coming transfer windows. City/PSG do not have what United have. This myth is actually letting the Glazers get away with not investing adequately in the squad.
 
Prestige ? Do you think playing for PSG in a second rate 2 team lge carries more prestige than playing for Manchester United the most recognised football club in the world , playing in the richest most competitive lge in world football ?

PSG are an all hype ,fur coat no knickers club

FFS we are Manchester United !

I think you need to reconsider the prestige of united to younger fans and players. I'm about 40 and a guy of my genneration knows what youre talking about but somehow i doubt it's quite the same for 20y olds. Younger fans and players often only know about the generation that came before them and less so of the time before that. Ferguson has been gone now for 5 years and with him the dominance went apparently too. From that perspective perhaps united looks like a team in decline living on past glory.
 
I think you need to reconsider the prestige of united to younger fans and players. I'm about 40 and a guy of my genneration knows what youre talking about but somehow i doubt it's quite the same for 20y olds. Younger fans and players often only know about the generation that came before them and less so of the time before that. Ferguson has been gone now for 5 years and with him the dominance went apparently too. From that perspective perhaps united looks like a team in decline living on past glory.

Fair point mate
 
Think people need to remember that Paris>Manchester. It's City we should be focussed on.
 
I don't really agree with people who say we cannot compete with City and even PSG. We just spent very similar amounts to both those clubs in the last window. We obviously have the money and plenty of players will still choose United if we show them the right level of interest give them the right sort of priority. It just helps not to change managers and players too often and choose the right targets.
 
Yeah we're so frugal we only spend 150 million every summer. Poor us.

Exactly, we spend a fecking fortune on players. We're but a couple of players away from being a really good side. We had the world record transfer fee until the summer. We are competing - it's just more competitive now. City are having a freak season and people are losing their shit.

So other clubs have money now - that's just the way it is, and the way it's going to be. It's only going to get more competitive. SAF's time won't happen again, things have moved on. Our squad is improving - it's the strongest it's been since god knows - a couple of years before Fergie retired? If Jose can't get us playing then he'll move on and someone else will get a shot, but saying we can't compete financially when we are is just rubbish! Could we have afforded Neymar? Maybe not.. But who knows - if he'd been singing our praises saying "United are the only club I'd move to" and the price was 180million...
 
In which ways ?

Wages ? Do you think apart from Neymar and maybe Mbappe that they have any players earning more than Pogba ?

Prestige ? Do you think playing for PSG in a second rate 2 team lge carries more prestige than playing for Manchester United the most recognised football club in the world , playing in the richest most competitive lge in world football ?

PSG are an all hype ,fur coat no knickers club

FFS we are Manchester United !

No offense but no one cares in France, for example, about Manchester United. I’d argue the same for a lot of the youth coming up outside of England, across the world. The way the team is playing these last 5 years is simply not as attractive to a young offensive player looking to make a step up than most of the clubs competing for their signings, and we’re just taking within England, nevermind the rest of the world’s top teams. (Also, living in Manchester doesn’t compete with living in Paris, Madrid, or Barcelona for example).

I have no doubts United can keep up financially with any other team, but their attraction is not what it used to be and the play style compared to other teams affects their image IMHO.
 
The other big clubs have left us behind. When Jose pointed this out few days ago, some of our fans were even saying he’s just making excuses and he should get on with it. They can’t even realise Jose was fighting for the fans. We need to wake up.

Finally, someone apart from me is saying this.
Jose is telling the board to spend.
The board does not want to spend.
The fans should be ecstatic that we finally have a manager who is pressuring the board into buying great players and creating a squad which will be the envy of the World.

If the money is not spent on players, it will go into the pockets of the owners...maybe they get to buy another mansion to spend their holiday in.
Why would the fans not back a manager who is telling our board to spend money? :confused:
 
Finally, someone apart from me is saying this.
Jose is telling the board to spend.
The board does not want to spend.
The fans should be ecstatic that we finally have a manager who is pressuring the board into buying great players and creating a squad which will be the envy of the World.

If the money is not spent on players, it will go into the pockets of the owners...maybe they get to buy another mansion to spend their holiday in.
Why would the fans not back a manager who is telling our board to spend money? :confused:

Because Jose is an arrogant guy, and when he's complaining about this issue, it makes it sound like he's simply making excuses. I tend to agree with you, it's a good thing to have a manager to push the club into spending more. However, Jose is known as someone who will blame every one but himself, and his complaint about spending is just another example of that to some people's eyes.
 
United does spend a feckload of money in players, but i agree with Mou that for their ambition even more is likely needed. looking at city and PSG it looks apparent that money is the main weapon for clubs to get ahead. Looking at Chelsea it seems that lack of money for transfers are hurting them now. Basicly United needs to remain "ahead of the curve", avoid that revenue might go down with lack of succes that might create a downward spiral. Besides, United has quite a lot of debt iirc, not an issue now but it could be problematic if revenue would start to go down. But afcourse it's tricky, overspending has it's dangers attached to it, the spending must also be done wisely and perhaps the united fan now looks at Mou wondering if he really did spend all the money so well as to confterably allowing him to have more. I'm sure though that for what regards city that Pep is gonna get pretty much all the money he needs for the players he wants now.
 
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