We’re getting better at selling

Gandalf said:
Beg to differ.

Maguire will lose value I am sure but his contract situation and the FFP issues make selling him tricky and it is not as if that is a situation unique to United as the likes of Nicolas Pepe prove.

Donny is currently worth nothing. Barely played for 3 years and very injury prone, if we get him sorted with a loan and he does well he will actually see his value rise from where it is now and with another year of amoritization ticked off it will benefit us more when we do sell him.

Henderson, not a great keeper, coming back from a long term injury and better keepers like Sanchez and Raya are going for bargain basement prices. He is another who may well leave on loan before the window closes and if he plays well may fetch a decent price next season.

McTominay will play 30+ games for us this season, best offer we have seen is 30M and with the prices players in his position are moving for he will comfortably still be worth at least that again next summer.
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This is same kind of excuses we here year after year and why we just get stuck with all this dross. They will all be worth less this time next year more likely than not. What happens when these injury prone players go out on loans and get injured, how are you expecting that to improve their value?.

The teams interested in Mctominay are operating in a completely different market, price of Rice and Caceido is completely irrelevant. West Ham walked away and bought someone else as soon as 30m wasn’t accepted. Which team likely to be interested in Mctominay will pay over 30m for a 27 year old next summer.
 
Roboc7 said:
This is same kind of excuses we here year after year and why we just get stuck with all this dross. They will all be worth less this time next year more likely than not. What happens when these injury prone players go out on loans and get injured, how are you expecting that to improve their value?.

The teams interested in Mctominay are operating in a completely different market, price of Rice and Caceido is completely irrelevant. West Ham walked away and bought someone else as soon as 30m wasn’t accepted. Which team likely to be interested in Mctominay will pay over 30m for a 27 year old next summer.
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Nobody has offered anything for Donny or Hendo. How exactly can their values drop, they are worthless now and we are struggling to give them away. McTominay was never for sale, the Manager sees him as part of the squad and 30M was not moving the needle to get a significantly better player. Getting better at selling means shifting deadwood, not just selling anyone we can for whatever we can get.
 
I’ve always found peculiar that we moan about how we sell.
United historically never needed to sell players. They made their money from onfield success and commercial revenues.
And given the ambitions of a club with this stature, the only players we sell are those who we absolutely don’t need/don’t want. So it perfectly makes sense that we’re not selling them at top market value but rather getting rid of unwanted players.

The same way Bayern or Real rarely sell players for big fees. We may not have had the same success in terms of trophy in the last 10 years, but it’s the same pedigree of clubs and the same income based mostly on commercial revenues.

Yes moan all you want about not selling McTominay, but other than pleasing the bloodthirsty mob on the Caf, the club doesn’t need or has to.
He’ll have his use for the coach and the survival of the club isn’t dependent on the 30m we could’ve gotten for him or Maguire.
 
Andersonson said:
People want United to be harder on negotiations and stop spending over the odds, and yet the second there’s a hard negotiation, there’s cries that United should fold to demands to get deals done. I know it’s not the same people but it’s tiring.
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When it comes to selling unwanted players, there's a huge difference between being hard negotiators and making stupid, unrealistic demands. We've run down a lot of contracts over the last few years due to our insistence on stupidly high transfer fees that nobody was ever going to pay.
 
Gandalf said:
Nobody has offered anything for Donny or Hendo. How exactly can their values drop, they are worthless now and we are struggling to give them away. McTominay was never for sale, the Manager sees him as part of the squad and 30M was not moving the needle to get a significantly better player. Getting better at selling means shifting deadwood, not just selling anyone we can for whatever we can get.
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Forest were in talks for Henderson and Real Sociedad were in talks for DVB so there was obviously an opportunity to get rid. But how do these injury prone, not very good players who are worthless go up in value?

Mctominay clearly is for sale he’s just been over priced and now stuck with him. Manager has said he can go just like Maguire, we just can’t get deals sorted. Given FFP benefits of selling academy players if club can’t get someone better than Mctominay then clearly not good at buying either.
 
We still suck in the transfer market whether it's selling or buying; nothing has changed.

Ridiculous wages + fees for players we don't even need when buying. We can't sell players who are absolutely useless to us and when we do, it's basically giving them away/paying a compensation to them.

Like I said nothing has changed.
 
Roboc7 said:
Forest were in talks for Henderson and Real Sociedad were in talks for DVB so there was obviously an opportunity to get rid. But how do these injury prone, not very good players who are worthless go up in value?

Mctominay clearly is for sale he’s just been over priced and now stuck with him. Manager has said he can go just like Maguire, we just can’t get deals sorted. Given FFP benefits of selling academy players if club can’t get someone better than Mctominay then clearly not good at buying either.
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Not sure why you speak of the Forest and Sociedad deals in the past tense. So far as we are aware negotiations continue with both and in each case they are loan options only as both players are seen as damaged goods and will need to play and prove their fitness before we can manage a permanent deal.

The club has consistently stated that Scott is not for sale unless someone makes an offer that blows them away. It is purely your opinion that they are trying to sell him and it is not supported by anything that has been said or reported by reliable sources.
 
Who have we sold? We let De Gea go for free. We sold our third best midfielder for a pittance. We packed Maguire off to West Ham yet like a homing pigeon he came back. Am I missing anyone?
 
Gandalf said:
Not sure why you speak of the Forest and Sociedad deals in the past tense. So far as we are aware negotiations continue with both and in each case they are loan options only as both players are seen as damaged goods and will need to play and prove their fitness before we can manage a permanent deal.

The club has consistently stated that Scott is not for sale unless someone makes an offer that blows them away. It is purely your opinion that they are trying to sell him and it is not supported by anything that has been said or reported by reliable sources.
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It’s not my opinion he is clearly for sale just like Maguire. We’ve heard both aren’t for sale but accepted bid for one and a bit more cash we’d have accepted bid for Mctominay as well.

Do you mean the reliable sources who are also telling us Maguire is apparently now important and wants to fight for his place, yesterday reliable sources told us he wanted a payoff to leave, few days ago rhe agreed personal terms but now move was never very advanced. Almost like these reliable sources aren’t very reliable.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s not my opinion he is clearly for sale just like Maguire. We’ve heard both aren’t for sale but accepted bid for one and a bit more cash we’d have accepted bid for Mctominay as well.

Do you mean the reliable sources who are also telling us Maguire is apparently now important and wants to fight for his place, yesterday reliable sources told us he wanted a payoff to leave, few days ago rhe agreed personal terms but now move was never very advanced. Almost like these reliable sources aren’t very reliable.
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The distinction is between would we sell rather than are we trying to sell. Caicedo was not for sale, nor was Lavia but the bids became too good to turn down. Scott is for sale in that sense, blow us away with an offer and we will sell but that offer has never materialized. ETH is clear, 30M does not generate the funds that will enable him to sign a superior replacement and he is perfectly happy with Scott as a squad player, right now he is the closest thing to cover for Casemiro we have. If we could get a fee of 45M plus then that changes the picture.

From the outset in this window there were the must sells and those we would sell only if the price was right. McTominay and Maguire were on the latter list and that has never changed. We have a value for each and won't accept less and the rationale behind those values has been explained many times in the transfer threads for both. The likes of Telles and Fred were on the former list and we took what we could get which is an improvement over the Woodward years when we would rather extend a contract than accept a loss.
 
Seems we aren’t even able to sell Maguire and McTominay despite the desire to do so being clear since the fag end of last season. Let’s face it, we are no good at this. So many deadwood players who hang on for a few extra years because we can’t find a way.
 
Zed is not dead said:
I’ve always found peculiar that we moan about how we sell.
United historically never needed to sell players. They made their money from onfield success and commercial revenues.
And given the ambitions of a club with this stature, the only players we sell are those who we absolutely don’t need/don’t want. So it perfectly makes sense that we’re not selling them at top market value but rather getting rid of unwanted players.

The same way Bayern or Real rarely sell players for big fees. We may not have had the same success in terms of trophy in the last 10 years, but it’s the same pedigree of clubs and the same income based mostly on commercial revenues.

Yes moan all you want about not selling McTominay, but other than pleasing the bloodthirsty mob on the Caf, the club doesn’t need or has to.
He’ll have his use for the coach and the survival of the club isn’t dependent on the 30m we could’ve gotten for him or Maguire.
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Stop being so God damn sensible. Get out
 
Big Ben Foster said:
When it comes to selling unwanted players, there's a huge difference between being hard negotiators and making stupid, unrealistic demands. We've run down a lot of contracts over the last few years due to our insistence on stupidly high transfer fees that nobody was ever going to pay.
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Exactly. I still find it mind boggling that we had a chance to get something for Lingard and yet we ended losing him (and others) for free.
 
Zed is not dead said:
I’ve always found peculiar that we moan about how we sell.
United historically never needed to sell players. They made their money from onfield success and commercial revenues.
And given the ambitions of a club with this stature, the only players we sell are those who we absolutely don’t need/don’t want. So it perfectly makes sense that we’re not selling them at top market value but rather getting rid of unwanted players.

The same way Bayern or Real rarely sell players for big fees. We may not have had the same success in terms of trophy in the last 10 years, but it’s the same pedigree of clubs and the same income based mostly on commercial revenues.

Yes moan all you want about not selling McTominay, but other than pleasing the bloodthirsty mob on the Caf, the club doesn’t need or has to.
He’ll have his use for the coach and the survival of the club isn’t dependent on the 30m we could’ve gotten for him or Maguire.
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Yeah but I could have sworn I read articles a few weeks back saying our budget was limited and we needed to sell if we wanted to increase it.
 
We're getting better at making premature threads on caf.
 
Gandalf said:
The distinction is between would we sell rather than are we trying to sell. Caicedo was not for sale, nor was Lavia but the bids became too good to turn down. Scott is for sale in that sense, blow us away with an offer and we will sell but that offer has never materialized. ETH is clear, 30M does not generate the funds that will enable him to sign a superior replacement and he is perfectly happy with Scott as a squad player, right now he is the closest thing to cover for Casemiro we have. If we could get a fee of 45M plus then that changes the picture.

From the outset in this window there were the must sells and those we would sell only if the price was right. McTominay and Maguire were on the latter list and that has never changed. We have a value for each and won't accept less and the rationale behind those values has been explained many times in the transfer threads for both. The likes of Telles and Fred were on the former list and we took what we could get which is an improvement over the Woodward years when we would rather extend a contract than accept a loss.
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ETH doesn’t set their value or the value of replacements he just says they can be sold, he’s not willing to sell them because he’s happy with them but because they aren’t good enough and he prefer other players. He’s not also managing the club finances and working out the budgets.

If they were such valuable squad players we wouldn’t be accepting and encouraging bids for them. They are clearly for sale but club has made a mess of it.
 
We sold Elanga and he imediately did well at his new club, helped them score against Chelsea.
We sold Fred and Casemiro imediately became leggy and slow.
We sold a special talent in Iqbal for 1m and Mason Mount (bought for 55m) turned out to be average.

Are we really good at selling??!?

do u know they managed to work out, if we can go back thousands of years to change the order of alphabets to the same order as letters on keyboard? see by now, we would have had an extra finger
 
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Roboc7 said:
This is same kind of excuses we here year after year and why we just get stuck with all this dross. They will all be worth less this time next year more likely than not. What happens when these injury prone players go out on loans and get injured, how are you expecting that to improve their value?.

The teams interested in Mctominay are operating in a completely different market, price of Rice and Caceido is completely irrelevant. West Ham walked away and bought someone else as soon as 30m wasn’t accepted. Which team likely to be interested in Mctominay will pay over 30m for a 27 year old next summer.
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Exactly they won’t. £30m was a stupendous fee for someone of his talents. I find it frustrating in the extreme that we insist on hanging on to players like this. Hopefully though when he’s fit again Mainoo will get his minutes.
 
I blame @Solius

Quick, delete the thread, maybe there is still some time!
 
Amar__ said:
I blame @Solius

Quick, delete the thread, maybe there is still some time!
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Even if he stays it doesn’t change the overall point. Not our fault he is choosing to dig his heels in. At least we’re trying.
 
Now Bailly's doing a Maguire after his sale collapsed. It looks like we are going to be worse off than last season with the squad options we have.
 
Not selling Maguire until we get a replacement in makes sense.

Not selling Henderson after the injury to Heaton makes sense.

Not selling McTominay for less than £45 million makes sense.

The two that could go immediately are probably Bailly and Van De Beek. But I'm not convinced there's loads of teams in for those two
 
groovyalbert said:
Turns out this thread was premature to say the least. Sigh.
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Just a little.

Henderson, Maguire and McTom all staying.

The camera panned to the first 2 having a discussion walking in at half time. Literally a penny for their thoughts!
 
MancunianAngels said:
Not selling Maguire until we get a replacement in makes sense.
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It doesn't when you consider that he is on 10m/year and this is the last time we can get over 15m for him.

MancunianAngels said:
Not selling Henderson after the injury to Heaton makes sense.
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It doesn't. Just sign/loan a very cheap backup as we did last season.

MancunianAngels said:
Not selling McTominay for less than £45 million makes sense.
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It doesn't. He is a poor player, 30m for him was already a steal.

MancunianAngels said:
The two that could go immediately are probably Bailly and Van De Beek. But I'm not convinced there's loads of teams in for those two
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They also provide no value to other clubs, Bailly in particular. The entire idea of getting good money for players is to sell them when they can provide good value for other teams. Not when they are completely useless, because no one wants those players. It is why Chelsea, City and co sell well while we don't. We only sell when the player becomes 8th choice or so, of course, no one will pay good money for 8th choice players.
 
Zed is not dead said:
I’ve always found peculiar that we moan about how we sell.
United historically never needed to sell players. They made their money from onfield success and commercial revenues.
And given the ambitions of a club with this stature, the only players we sell are those who we absolutely don’t need/don’t want. So it perfectly makes sense that we’re not selling them at top market value but rather getting rid of unwanted players.

The same way Bayern or Real rarely sell players for big fees. We may not have had the same success in terms of trophy in the last 10 years, but it’s the same pedigree of clubs and the same income based mostly on commercial revenues.

Yes moan all you want about not selling McTominay, but other than pleasing the bloodthirsty mob on the Caf, the club doesn’t need or has to.
He’ll have his use for the coach and the survival of the club isn’t dependent on the 30m we could’ve gotten for him or Maguire.
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Except it’s not peculiar it’s just the reality, you say Madrid don’t sell look at their outgoings for last 2 seasons Look at Bayern’s sales last summer and this summer.

FFP tightening means selling players is crucial, you have to consistently raise money by sales to be able to spend. That’s emphasised by cost of signing players being through the roof as well.

We do have to sell players like Mctominay to be able to invest in better players, we need reinforcements in midfield already and we’ve got two midfielders who turn 32 this summer. Keeping someone like Mctominay 5 years ago fair enough but now it’s pure incompetence.
 


Questionable source yes, but again a player of ours on far more money than he should have ever been, opting to sit and collect that heft paycheck if not paid a big lump sum.

This is going to keep happening while those players are still on those contracts which Ed Woodward and the other bloke managed to negotiate. So we will be riding this storm still for the next 3 or 4 years sadly.
 
Big ‘The right are getting better at comedy and it’s making lefties nervous’ vibes from this thread
 
LordSpud said:


Questionable source yes, but again a player of ours on far more money than he should have ever been, opting to sit and collect that heft paycheck if not paid a big lump sum.

This is going to keep happening while those players are still on those contracts which Ed Woodward and the other bloke managed to negotiate. So we will be riding this storm still for the next 3 or 4 years sadly.
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700k is significantly less than what we'll have to pay him in wages for sitting on his ass all year until his contract expires. Take the hit and move on.
 
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