WC All-time All-Stars 1st Round: Crappy vs Aldo

Based on WC prime, whose team is more likely to win?

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This is a fantasy tournament SOLELY BASED ON PLAYERS' PERFORMANCES IN THEIR WORLD CUP PRIME (PERFORMANCES OUTSIDE OF THE WC DO NOT COUNT)
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crappycraperson said:
TEAM Crappy & PIPPA

Why we will win

- Elite partnerships: No other teams in the draft have partnerships that compare to Kopa-Fontaine and Silva-Dunga together. The most fruitful attacking partnership in a World Cup ever, and one of the stingiest holding midfield partnerships to win the World Cup. Kopa and Fontainecombined for 16 goals and 12 assists in the 1958 World Cup -- no other duo can match that in a single World Cup. Kopa is one of those players who does not get his fair dues now, he won the Ballon'dor in 58 and was in contention for others. Dunga and Silva were giants in midfield, contributing more defensively (tackles, interceptions) than some full 6-man World Cup winning defences.
Here is a stat analysis pippa did using OPTA for Dunga-Silva partnership
Dunga and Mauro Silva, 1994
1271 minutes
72 tackles | tackle every 18 mins
56 interceptions | interception every 23 mins

Brasil 1994 defence (Aldair, Jorginho, Cafu, Rocha, Branco, Marcío)
2206 minutes
36 tackles | tackle every 61 mins
71 interceptions | interception every 31 mins

France 1998 defence (Desailly, Thuram, Lizarazu, Blanc, Lebœuf)
2532 minutes
64 tackles | tackle every 40 mins
99 interceptions | interception every 26 mins

Brasil 2002 defence (Cafu, Carlos, Edmílson, Lucío, Anderson, Roque)
3060 minutes
85 tackles | tackle every 36 mins
75 interceptions | interception every 41 mins

Italy 2006 defence (Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Nesta, Materazzi, Oddo, Grosso, Barzagli, Zaccardo
2731 minutes
46 tackles | tackle every 59 mins
76 interceptions | interception every 36 mins


- Defensive strength: I firmly believe that great teams are built from the back. Spine of my team would be: Buffon- Krol/Ruggeri-Silva/Dunga axis.
Vogts has the claim of having successfully man-marked Johan Cruijff in the 1974 WC final - and was in the all-star team. Tarantini was the best left-sided defender at the 1978 World Cup, without errors - and was in the all-star team. Ruggeri was the leader of the Argentinian defence that had the best defensive record in the 1986 World Cup.Krol was voted into two all-star teams in 1974 and 1978, and was an elite sweeper and defender for Holland, exemplifying the "Total Football" mantra. They will be shielded by the midfield powerhouse of Dunga and Mauro Silva. Behind them will be none other than Gianluigi Buffon, star goalkeeper of the 2006 World Cup. Again part of the all star team, voted second in Ballon'dor for 2006 as well for his WC heroics where he conceded a grand total of 2 goals, none from open play.

- Offensive firepower: Our front four in Fontaine (1958), Kopa (1958), Sánchez (1962), Hamrin (1958) all combine for 23 goals and 16 assists in their World Cup peaks. An astonishing number that very few teams in this draft could even come close to matching. Each of them were rated as some of the best attackers in their respective tournaments.

Key Points

- Keeping possession: This will definitely be one of our strengths. Dunga in the 1994 World Cup was a master at playing the simple ball and recycling play in the centre of the pitch - in 1994 he averaged 99 passes per match; Xavi in 2010 for example averaged 94 passes per match in Spain's tiki-taka system. We have immensely gifted footballers all throughout the pitch who can all maintain possession - Kopa, Dunga, Krol, Sánchez, Hamrin, and they are all spread out in different positions.

- Congesting the centre of the pitch: paceme will be relying on his wingbacks for width. Jairwas an inside forward,Platini was a central attacking midfielder, Ademir was your typical striker, and none of his central midfielders can play wide. Platini and Jair will be coming up againstDunga and Silva repeatedly, and he has no width apart fromDjalma Santos and Cabrini. I might get stick for this but I don't think Platini was ever at his absolute best at the WCs. Still good no doubt but in contrast to someone like Zidane his peak was elsewhere. Slightly below his best Platini is not going to be enough to create anything down the middle against this set up.

- Exploiting lack of width: As the opponent has no real wingers, the fullbacks are the only chances of providing width. Hamrin was known as a very technical winger with fantastic dribbling ability and was a great goalscorer for an outside forward (4 goals in 5 WC matches). Here is what Hamrin is capable of -

Sánchez was a strong outside forward with a hammer of a left foot. He is known for scoring a ~30 yard bullet free-kick against Lev Yashin in the 1962 World Cup. At least Hamrin would most definitely nail down Cabirini. To containHamrin, C.Maldini may have to move even more leftwards. Maldini moving helps Fontaine-Kopa even with subparRjjkard (if he plays) dropping in to cover. Getting no joy in the middle, if Platini and Jair are forced to play out wide in uncomfortable circumstances, Ademir will be isolated against the defensive wall of Krol-Ruggeri.

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AldoPaine18 said:
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Tactics :

DEFENSE
The defense is comprised of a 3 man defense line, with Maldini, and Thuram as left and right center backs respectively and Rijkaard as the sweeper. The wingbacks are Cabrini and Djalma Santos. The backline would be deep with Rijkaard stepping out to midfield to help out if needed and the two CBs would protect the goal. The wingbacks will provide width. Both Cabrini and Djalma are good going forward and with the assurance from the CBs, they will have the freedom to bomb forward.

MIDFIELD
Clodoaldo and Tigana will be shielding the defense while also using their great ability on the ball to start attacks. Tigana was a great passer and always involved in buildups while Clodoaldo was also great on the ball and could pass as well as go past players with ease like he did in the 1970 WC final dribbling past 4 players for that magical Carlos Alberto goal. Platini is the attacking midfielder, who would be using his great passing range and vision to orchestrate counters. With the pace ahead of him and the wingbacks bombing forward, he would have a lot of options to pass and should create the chances like he did. His chemistry with Tigana would prove fruitful.

ATTACK
The attack comprises of the Brazilian duo of Ademir and Jair. Terrorizing the oppositions in the 1950 WC they formed a strong partnership. Between them they possess pace, power, dribbling and superb ball control.
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Player Profiles ​
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CF: Just Fontaine (1958) - France​
6 matches, 13 goals, 3 assists, WC1958 3rd place , WC1958 Golden Boot, WC1958 Bronze Ball, WC1958 All Star team​
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Statistically the best World Cup ever out of a forward. Fontaine directly contributed to 70% of France's goals scored in 1958. He scored in every match that he played, including 4 goals against West Germany in the 3rd-place match. Fontaine's single World Cup in 1958 ranks him 4th all time in World Cup goals; those ahead of him have all played in 2 or more tournaments.​
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AM: Raymond Kopa (1958) - France​
6 matches, 3 goals, 9 assists, WC1958 3rd place, WC1958 All Star team, 1958 Ballon'dor winner​
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For a playmaker in any era, these numbers in a single World Cup are eye-catching. Kopa was one of the stars of the 1958 World Cup, and his performances for both club and country earned him the Ballon d'Or in 1958. Kopa struck up a fruitful partnership with Fontaine which saw them combine together for several of Fontaine's 13 goals. Nicknamed "The Napoleon of Football", Kopa is one of the most gifted and intelligent playmakers of his era.​
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RW: Kurt Hamrin (1958) - Sweden​
WC1958 Runner's up, WC58 All star team​
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"In Italy he was known as Uccellino, little bird, because he was so fast and so light when he played that he seemed to fly over the grass." Scored 190 goals from wing in Serie A. Can dribble the ball past many a player on right towards the goal.​
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LW: Leonel Sanchez (1962) - Chile​
WC1962 3rd place, WC62 Golden Boot, WC62 All-Star team, WC62 Bronze Ball​
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Staggering 361 goals in 400 odd appearances for his club. 23 goals for Chile in 81 matches. Holds the record for most matches played for Chile. Joint golden boot winner in 62 WC and was mostly acknowledged as their best player in the tournament when they finished third. A fact outlined by the fact he was named the third best player in tournament after Garrincha and Masopust.​
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CM: Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri / Dunga (1994) - Brazil​
WC1994 Winner, WC1994 All-Star team​
Captain of Brazil when they lifted the 1994 trophy. One part of the best holding midfield pair the WC has ever seen. On his WC form he is was a complete midfielder, a fact outlined by his average of 95 passes per match. He would not only stop the opposition play but kick start the attack for his own team. Inspirational leader to boot.​
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CM: Mauro Silva (1994) - Brazil​
WC1994 Winner​
The other half of midfield partnership. Playing the role of destroyer in the midfield, stopping any opposition attack. Did not get the same plaudits as Dunga but as important to the team as him.​
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LB: Alberto Tarantini (1978) - Argentina​
WC1978 Winner, WC1978 All-Star team​
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Seen as a defender with immense physical abilities and good technique, Tarantini was the starting left-back in the 1978 Argentina side that won the World Cup. Tarantini was a very quick fullback who's defensive abilities were never called into question as he also played as a central defender. Tarantini capped off a very strong 1978 World Cup with a fine headed goal against Perú and was also included in the 1978 World Cup All-Star Team for his great performances.​
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RB: Hans-Hubert Berti Vogts (1974) - Germany​
WC1974 Winner, WC1974 and WC1978 All-star team​
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The man who marked Cryuff out of the world cup final. A one club man, he won 5 Bundeligas with Borussia Mönchengladbach. With Germany played 3 world cups from 70 to 78, playing all the matches. Rock solid at the back and nicknamed 'Der Terrier' simply because he would contest every single ball out there. Need to man mark anyone in a football match, no problem.​
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LCD: Ruud Krol (1978) - Holland​
WC1974/78 Runner's up, WC1974 and WC1978 All Star team​
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One of the best defenders to never win the World Cup, Krol played to a high level as both a left back (1974) and sweeper (1978), being selected in the Team of the Tournament on both occasions. Known to bring the ball out of defence to create opportunities for teammates (2 assists in 1978), Krol was one of the most gifted defenders of his era and an intelligent captain.​
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RCD: Oscar Ruggeri (1986) - Argentina​
WC1986 Winner​
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A world-class defender in his prime, Ruggeri earned the nickname "El Cabezón" (big head) because of his aerial dominance as a central defender. He was the leader of the 1986 Argentina defence that had the best defensive record in the World Cup, and he earned his reputation as an elite defender not just for club but for country as well. A good passer, Ruggeri provides another solid option at the back as he has a near-perfect match in terms of playing style with his partner, Krol.​
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GK: Gianlugi Buffon (2006) - Italy​
WC2006 Winner, WC2006 All-Star team, 2nd in Ballon'dor 2006​
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What can you say? Simple possess no weaknesses. Great shot stopper, excellent organizer from the back. Only conceded 2 goals in 2006, none from open play. One was that penalty by Zidane, other an own goal from a free kick. Winner of countless awards in Serie A and lynchpin of the Juve team for past 10 years or so.​

Sub Keeper: Ricardo "El Divino" Zamora (1934) - Spain
WC1934 Best Keeper, All Star team
 
Quality write-up there crappy/pippa. Just have to defend my fellow Germans here. That Hamrin goal came in the last minutes of a game in which the ref fecked us over by sending a player off and allowing the Swedes to kick Fritz Walter off the pitch until he had to leave injured. We basically played with 9 man the last 30 minutes, conceded the crucial 1-2 late and then were completely tired and had no fight left in us, so Hamrin going through in the end like that doesn't reflect anything, imo. The referee was by the way Hungarian, sweet revenge 4 years later, I guess.
 
Few points

- First as mentioned in that tactics- his width is only being provided from the full backs. Now I will give Santos his due credit but he will also be up against both Sanchez and Tarantini. Cabirni would simply be occupied by Hamrin to even think about going forward. So he is struggling big time when it comes to take the play out wide.

- Down the middle. That's a good front three but my team is well set up to stoop any attack through the center. Ruggeri-Krol- Dunga-Silva axis is enough to stifle him.

I don't want to indulge in mud-slinging and want to follow the example of what Balu and TITO set but it has to be pointed out that

- This is a sub par Rjjakard. I think it is a mistake to play him. Only accounting his performances at WC, I don't think he is good enough to play the sweeper role he has been assigned.

- Platini. Great player. But his absolute best was not at a WC. I am not saying he was not good at the WC. But no one brings up the WCs when they talk about Platini playing at his best.

- I think Thuram as a RB in 98 showed enough to be shoe horned as RCB in this draft. But would he be the match winner he was at RB? No. Also Aldo was one of those who said it was a mistake to play Thuram as a CB.

I see the opposition set up and bar Platini working his wagic, I don't see him scoring. Even then Buffon is good enough to keep 1-2 chances. While I have set up attack both down the middle with Kopa-Fontaine linking up and down the wings with Hamrin and Sanchez.
 
Balu said:
Quality write-up there crappy/pippa. Just have to defend my fellow Germans here. That Hamrin goal came in the last minutes of a game in which the ref fecked us over by sending a player off and allowing the Swedes to kick Fritz Walter off the pitch until he had to leave injured. We basically played with 9 man the last 30 minutes, conceded the crucial 1-2 late and then were completely tired and had no fight left in us, so Hamrin going through in the end like that doesn't reflect anything, imo. The referee was by the way Hungarian, sweet revenge 4 years later, I guess.
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credit to pippa. he came up with most of that.

I posted another video of Hamrin which shows even more of what he was all about.
 
Pippa is too fond of Dunga-Silva, so he asked me to post these stats again-

Dunga and Mauro Silva, 1994
1271 minutes
72 tackles | tackle every 18 mins
56 interceptions | interception every 23 mins

Brasil 1994 defence (Aldair, Jorginho, Cafu, Rocha, Branco, Marcío)
2206 minutes
36 tackles | tackle every 61 mins
71 interceptions | interception every 31 mins

France 1998 defence (Desailly, Thuram, Lizarazu, Blanc, Lebœuf)
2532 minutes
64 tackles | tackle every 40 mins
99 interceptions | interception every 26 mins

Brasil 2002 defence (Cafu, Carlos, Edmílson, Lucío, Anderson, Roque)
3060 minutes
85 tackles | tackle every 36 mins
75 interceptions | interception every 41 mins

Italy 2006 defence (Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Nesta, Materazzi, Oddo, Grosso, Barzagli, Zaccardo
2731 minutes
46 tackles | tackle every 59 mins
76 interceptions | interception every 36 mins
 
If you wanna quote me, quote me fully. :p

I also said Thuram was only behind Cannavaro out of all the CBs in 06. Anyway, the reason I objected was personal more than anything, he's one of my all time favourite players and when you talk of him and WC, that Croatia game always comes to mind so to me it seems criminal messing with that, and also the fact that I wanted him badly.

You'd still get his defensive solidity here, which he showed in both World Cups. He was never really known to go forward much anyway and the reason he had to do that in 98 was the rest of the attack couldn't open up a defense to save their life, which is why the surprise factor of a fullback taking charge was vital. None of that here.

Lastly, with Djalma having the responsibility of going forward, he would be assuming the role of a proper right back while covering him a lot of times in the game, which isn't the case if he was playing in a normal back 4.

All in all I think he would be a key player in the game.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
I didn't really mean to confuse anyone, and I'd remake the formation once I'm home in afternoon.
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I know, didn't mean it like that, easy to miss when you're doing a formation, but it's not unlikely that quite a few confuse him with his son.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
If you wanna quote me, quote me fully. :p

I also said Thuram was only behind Cannavaro out of all the CBs in 06. Anyway, the reason I objected was personal more than anything, he's one of my all time favourite players and when you talk of him and WC, that Croatia game always comes to mind so to me it seems criminal messing with that, and also the fact that I wanted him badly.

You'd still get his defensive solidity here, which he showed in both World Cups. He was never really known to go forward much anyway and the reason he had to do that in 98 was the rest of the attack couldn't open up a defense to save their life, which is why the surprise factor of a fullback taking charge was vital. None of that here.

Lastly, with Djalma having the responsibility of going forward, he would be assuming the role of a proper right back while covering him a lot of times in the game, which isn't the case if he was playing in a normal back 4.

All in all I think he would be a key player in the game.
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The point about Thuram is the same as one against Cryuff playing as an AM IMO. Their vintage WC performances came in a certain role and if you don't use them in that role, it does or should raise a question or two.

I do not agree with you that Thuram will be a key in this game as a CB. Thuram going to right covering for Santos is not going to be as simple as you make it sound.

Just Fontaine produced one of the best of all time attacking performances in 58. I know beforehand that he won't get the credit he deserves in a WC draft but having one of your CB move away would be suicidal, especially with Kopa behind him.
Here are his goals from 58-


A tidbit about how France in 58 lost in semis to Brasil -

In the semi-finals they met the favourites Brazil, who had Pelé, Garrincha, Nílton Santos, Didi, Vavá, Mario Zagallo and the rest. Vavá scored in the second minute, but seven minutes later Fontaine equalised classily after a beautiful buildup. "One has never seen a finer goal," wrote the man from the Guardian. It remained 1-1 until the 36th minute, when Vavá broke the leg of the France captain, Robert Jonquet. There were no substitutes in those days, so Jonquet spent the rest of the game wincing on the wing, and Brazil trounced the 10 men 5-2.
 
All your attack revolves around Kopa, stop him, stop team crappy. Both Clodoaldo and Tigana have great WC records to boot, Tigana in particular who usually performed really well in World Cup games.

On the other hand Ademir and Jair won't be shut down even if Dunga and Silva manage to do a job on Platini. They could create goals for themselves and both my CMs are good enough on the ball to get the ball to the front two a fair amount of times.
 
These are some quality write ups lads. I honestly don't know who am I going to vote for.

Aldo's defensive line looks unbeatable, plus he's got some of my personal favorites in Rijkaard, Platini and Tigana, which having the latter two together in the same team when WCs are the only question is simply mind blowing for itself.
Crappy's frontline has goals from anywhere, especially like he mentioned Kopa-Fontaine goalscoring rate, and wow, Dunga-Mauro together is like a brick fecking wall.. Plus he's defenders are also brilliant, Ruggeri was an animal, Krol brilliant etc etc..

I honestly don't know what to do.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
All your attack revolves around Kopa, stop him, stop team crappy. Both Clodoaldo and Tigana have great WC records to boot, Tigana in particular who usually performed really well in World Cup games.

On the other hand Ademir and Jair won't be shut down even if Dunga and Silva manage to do a job on Platini. They could create goals for themselves and both my CMs are good enough on the ball to get the ball to the front two a fair amount of times.
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Ermm no. Both Sanchez and Hamrin have 4 goals each from the wings.

Smart of you to try to take out the wings completely from the discussion, given you have no proper width in your team.
 
lifaboy said:
These are some quality write ups lads. I honestly don't know who am I going to vote for.

Aldo's defensive line looks unbeatable, plus he's got some of my personal favorites in Rijkaard, Platini and Tigana, which having the latter two together in the same team when WCs are the only question is simply mind blowing for itself.
Crappy's frontline has goals from anywhere, especially like he mentioned Kopa-Fontaine goalscoring rate, and wow, Dunga-Mauro together is like a brick fecking wall.. Plus he's defenders are also brilliant, Ruggeri was an animal, Krol brilliant etc etc..

I honestly don't know what to do.
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I don't agree that his defensive line unbeatable. Cabirini can easily be got at for starters. Then Thuram-Cesar Maldini while being a good partnership is not an unbeatable one by any means.

The main difference between the two sides is that I have people on the wing to stretch the play and create space in the middle, he evidently does not. He is essentially playing the diamond formation. Santos is good enough to perform the bulk full back gets in that formation, Cabirini not so much.

Also taking into account only the WC peformances, Rjjkard should not be a key factor in this game. Only memory of him from the WCs was that unpleasant incident with Voller.
 
I don't really get why you're comparing defensive stats of a defensive midfield partnership to that of back lines? I actually like stats, seems like pippa likes them even more, but why not compare it to midfield partnerships in somewhat similar formations to Brazil's in '94? Isn't it normal that defensive midfielders have more interceptions and tackles than defenders?

That's not meant as a criticsm on your team, I truely believe that Silva & Dunga was a brilliant partnership with impressive stats, no doubt, just don't get how that's highlighted by comparing them to players in different positions.
 
This ones pretty straight forward for me. Wish I could have drawn paceme instead of Balu.

Maldini-Rijkaard-Thuram looks impressive when you first view it but then you realise it's not Paolo Maldini, Rijkaard never did anything in a World Cup and Thuram was a Right Back in 1998.

Good write up from crappy and pippa. Good work lads.
 
Balu said:
I don't really get why you're comparing defensive stats of a defensive midfield partnership to that of back lines? I actually like stats, seems like pippa likes them even more, but why not compare it to midfield partnerships in somewhat similar formations to Brazil's in '94? Isn't it normal that defensive midfielders have more interceptions and tackles than defenders?
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I will leave this for pippa to respond to since he did that analysis. I think may be he wanted to compare that partnership to other defensive ones in the WC, also other groups have 4-5 players. Yet two of Dunga, Silva stack up similar or better numbers
 
Thisistheone said:
This ones pretty straight forward for me. Wish I could have drawn paceme instead of Balu.

Maldini-Rijkaard-Thuram looks impressive when you first view it but then you realise it's not Paolo Maldini, Rijkaard never did anything in a World Cup and Thuram was a Right Back in 1998.

Good write up from crappy and pippa. Good work lads.
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I think he's playing 2006's Thuram.
 
lifaboy said:
I think he's playing 2006's Thuram.
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Fair enough but its still not a great defence, for this particular draft.

Excellent full backs and midfield. Quite weak up front and at the back, by the very high standards of this draft. Think paceme wrongly interpreted the rules during drafting and picked the likes of Rijkaard as 2nd pick?

Crappy on the other hand seems like he's been on the ball right from the off.

Kopa-Fontaine is huge in a WC draft. Likewise M.Silva-Dunga.
 
I'm going with Crappy & Pippa as well, that's such a wonderful built team with so many worldcup heros, it's an easy decision. I thought about giving Paceme's / Aldo's team a lot of credit for a defensive setup that could actually keep Crappy from scoring, but there are too many questionable players in it, I can't rate Rijkaard that highly, Platini was still brilliant, but if we look solely at worldcups, Kopa was clearly the better player, imo, and I've no clue what to think about C. Maldini. I looked into him during the drafting, and he has played only 2 games and I simply know absolutely nothing about him in those games, even though one of the games was actually against Germany and most likely I've seen highlights of it at some point in the past.

It's a bit unlucky for Paceme, because the missunderstanding about the draft in the beginning plays a big part in how his team looks now.

One thing though, because it might come up in one of my games in the future ;)
crappycraperson said:
The point about Thuram is the same as one against Cryuff playing as an AM IMO. Their vintage WC performances came in a certain role and if you don't use them in that role, it does or should raise a question or two.
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I think the Cruyff thing is a bit different, because with him it's not about the position but about the tactics/idea of football. If I play Cruyff as an AM surrounded by players (including the striker) who all are versatile and fit in with the movement, then there's nothing wrong with it, it's what he did in '74 throughout the tournament. If you stick Cruyff on the left as a normal winger next to Maradona or Zidane, then you don't get the golden ball winner of '74, that I'd agree with. But that goes for so many outstanding players and it should be interesting if the teams in the final end up being a collection of individuals or well working teams which get the best out of all their players.
 
Balu said:
I think the Cruyff thing is a bit different, because with him it's not about the position but about the tactics/idea of football. If I play Cruyff as an AM surrounded by players (including the striker) who all are versatile and fit in with the movement, then there's nothing wrong with it, it's what he did in '74 throughout the tournament. If you stick Cruyff on the left as a normal winger next to Maradona or Zidane, then you don't get the golden ball winner of '74, that I'd agree with. But that goes for so many outstanding players and it should be interesting if the teams in the final end up being a collection of individuals or well working teams which get the best out of all their players.
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I do not disagree with any of that. Obviously you can not just dismiss Cryuff as a AM but he did win the golden ball in false 9 role only. Do you give him the same credit as someone like Maradona in 86 if he changes his position? I think not.
 
crappycraperson said:
I do not disagree with any of that. Obviously you can not just dismiss Cryuff as a AM but he did win the golden ball in false 9 role only. Do you give him the same credit as someone like Maradona in 86 if he changes his position? I think not.
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I still think you're missreading Cruyff's position. He was nothing like Messi is as a false 9. He just went where he thought he could do the most damage and his team mates moved accordingly to fill up the positions. It didn't matter if he started in midfield or upfront and he rarely was the one closest to goal.

Just one short quote out of the great link you posted:
Cruyff, who, with typical disrespect for convention, was the deepest Dutch player on the field when he received the ball, strolled upfield, accelerated suddenly and dashed into the penalty area.
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Perfect example, he really had no position, he just has to be placed somewhere in those formations. But I don't want to derail the thread further, it'll certainly come up in one of my games if I get the chance to change my attack and we can discuss it as length then ;).
 
Solid team crappy/pippa in keeping with the spirit of the draft. Balanced and a natural fit, a robust back seven and enough punch in the front four to get the necessary goals. Strengthening down the left flank would be my initial priority, through a top centre-half or left-back. Obviously Brazil '94 were reliant on enterprising full-backs so freeing up Krol could have the same effect (albeit it's a complementary partnership he's got in the middle there with Ruggeri).

Paceme's pragmatic team places a hell of a lot of strain on Platini to come up with the goods. Euro' 84 Platini might have pulled off that feat, but World Cup Platini may not quite have the sharpness to do so.
 
Balu said:
I still think you're missreading Cruyff's position. He was nothing like Messi is as a false 9. He just went where he thought he could do the most damage and his team mates moved accordingly to fill up the positions. It didn't matter if he started in midfield or upfront and he rarely was the one closest to goal.

Just one short quote out of the great link you posted:

Perfect example, he really had no position, he just has to be placed somewhere in those formations. But I don't want to derail the thread further, it'll certainly come up in one of my games if I get the chance to change my attack and we can discuss it as length then ;).
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Yeah, lets keep it for another game
 
Gio said:
Solid team crappy/pippa in keeping with the spirit of the draft. Balanced and a natural fit, a robust back seven and enough punch in the front four to get the necessary goals. Strengthening down the left flank would be my initial priority, through a top centre-half or left-back. Obviously Brazil '94 were reliant on enterprising full-backs so freeing up Krol could have the same effect (albeit it's a complementary partnership he's got in the middle there with Ruggeri).

Paceme's pragmatic team places a hell of a lot of strain on Platini to come up with the goods. Euro' 84 Platini might have pulled off that feat, but World Cup Platini may not quite have the sharpness to do so.
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Thanks for the advise!
 
Source on those stats? I'm somewhat doubtful that anyone counted that many stats in '94. I also don't know what tackles lost even means.
 
@Snow
He mentioned in the op that the stats are provided by Opta.

http://www.optasports.com/showcase-pages/historical-world-cup-data.aspx
How? Opta have analysed all of the data from every World Cup finals game dating back to the tournament in England in 1966. This gives us access to a unique set of statistics that can be used for compelling, engaging and newsworthy content.
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I've no idea how you can access all of their data though, probably some app you have to pay for.
 
Yes, but those are the same stats? Pretty sure he based the comparisons in the op on them and gave you the screenshot with more details for the playerprofiles. Just trying to help here after derailing the thread ;).
 
Was tough for me to vote against Tigana Rijkaard and Platini, but as TITO said, the names jump out more than the draft's purpose and that's the whole story.
Wonderful team crappy.
 
BTW not that it should matter hopefully, both of Aldo's and paceme's votes should not count. IIRC in the past only one of two people managing the team have been allowed to vote. This is something similar.
 
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