WC All Stars Chain Draft Round 1- 2mufc vs Indync

Who will win based on the WC performances only

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Welcome to the WC all stars chain draft.

Please note that players must be strictly judged on the basis of the performances against the WC they are listed against.



Team 2mufc
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Team Indnyc

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Team 2mufc Tactics


World Cup player profiles

GK: Gilmar: Brazil's greatest goalkeeper won back to back world cups in 1958 & 1962 and is the only goalkeeper to win two consecutive World Cups in the starting position I will be using his 1958 version here.
RB: Gianluca Zambrotta: World cup winning right back for Italy in 2006 and selected in the all star team, integral part in a team that only conceded two goals in the whole tournament and also a key attacking outlet.
RCB: Jose Santamaria: One of the greatest defenders of all time, represented both Uruguay and Spain, i will be using his 1954 world cup where he was selected in the all star team, helping Uruguay reach the semi-finals losing to the great Hungarian team of the 50's.
LCB: Marcel Desailly: World cup winner in 1998 with France, and the best center back in that tournament, one of the most important parts of the French defence which was so difficult to break down.
LB: Silvio Marzolini: Argentina's greatest LB, will be using his 1966 version where he was selected in the all star team where Argentina reached the QF.
CM: Paul Breitner: One of the few players who have scored in two world cup finals. Will be using his 1982 version where he played in midfield and helped Germany reach the final which he scored in.
CM: Lothar Mathtaus: Key player in Germany's 1990 win, selected in the team of the tournament and won the silver ball. Only lost out to the golden ball because of Schillaci's goal scoring exploits, but in terms of influence he was the best player of that world cup.
AM: Teofilo Cubillas: Peru's best ever player, will be using his 1970 version where he took the tournament by storm finishing third in the scoring charts with 5 goals and winning the best young player award. Helped Peru to the QF scoring key goals, where they lost to the winners Brazil. Included in the team of the tournament.
RW: Thomas Muller: Has one of the most impressive world cup resumes, i have gone with his 2010 version as i feel he was more direct and quicker in this edition. Winner of the golden boot with 5 goals and rated best young player of the tournament and included in the team of the tournament.
LW: Hristo Stoichkov: Winner of the golden boot in 1994 with 6 goals and winner of the Bronze ball helping Bulgaria finish 4th. Included in the team of the tournament.
CF: Vava: Winner of back to back world cups and scorer in two finals. I will be using his 1962 version where he was joint top scorer scoring in the final and selected in the team of tournament.

Style of play/tactics

I will be playing a high tempo, physical and direct style which suits the powerful team lineup.

The back four all have a strong world cup pedigree with two winners and all 4 selected in the team of the tournament. Desailly and Santamaria is one of the toughest partnerships you could put together and i would back this partnership to keep the best strikers quiet. Zambrotta is the more attacking full back but the defense is balanced on the other side with Marzolini who was more balanced, both also able to do the defensive job too.

In midfield Breitner will be the deepest midfielder dictating the tempo and with his passing range able to setup quick counters, he will also help screen the defense. Next to him is Matthaus who put in one of the greatest B2B performances in world cup history, the complete all round midfielder he will be the heartbeat of the team going forward and also doing the defensive work required. Infront of them will be Cubillas able to come deep and collect the ball and run at the opposition and also get into scoring positions, he is also in the perfect position to use his vision to setup chances for the forwards.

The front three are fluid and able to interchange and all having fantastic scoring records with a total of 15 goals scored between them in their selected world cups. All three are devastating on the counter and also good enough to break down deep defensive teams. Vava a devastating finisher will be in the central location being fed by Stoichkov, Muller and Cubillas. Muller and Stoichkov are also able to work the channels and also come inside and get into attacking positions.

Overall all of my players have stellar world cup records playing key parts in the tournaments they have been selected in.
 
Team Indync Tactics

Formation: 4-1-2-1-2 Diamond

The team is led By two prolific goal scorers in Ronaldo and Rossi. We are using the 1998 version of Ronaldo as he was a terror with his pace and could both score and assist.

They are supported by two great playmakers in Rivellino and Iniesta both of whom can score and assist with their trickery. The midfield is completed with “the invisible wall” in Gilberto Silva and Diego Simeone to provide defensive stability to the star studded attacking line up

The defense is led by Cannavaro who arguably gave one of the best performances by a central defender ever in World Cup finals. Des Walker will be the perfect foil to him. He was one of England’s shining lights in the run to the semi finals. Facchetti will be the more attacking full back and Kaltz will provide the width on the right but more balanced than Facchetti. Finally, the defense is completed with Carlos Roberto who conceded just 1 goal in 5 matches for Brazil in the 1986 World Cup.

Why we will win
  1. Excellent Spine in Cannavaro, Silva, Iniesta, Ronaldo and Rossi
  2. Perfect playmaker in Rivellino to run from deep and frequently interchange with Iniesta. He can operate centrally as well as go wide
  3. Perfect defensive shield in Gilberto Silva to track the opposite runners from deep
  4. Very strong back 4 providing a solidarity to the team. Cannavaro as the leader from the back is easily one of the best center backs of all time based on just World Cup performances
  5. Every player is in their best position. The team is set up in a manner to extract the best of all players
Individual Player Profiles and Roles
  • Carlos Roberto - Brazils No.1 in their quarter final finish in the 1986 World Cup. Conceded only 1 goal in the 5 matches played
  • Giancinto Facchetti - Easily one of the greatest left backs of all time. 1970 team of the season and was instrumental in Italys run to the 1970 finals. His stamina was amongst the best in business and could own the flank on his own
  • Des Walker - Commanding center back for the English team of 1990, he is quick and has a great tackle on him. Absolute no nonsense defender
  • Fabio Cannavaro (c) - Star of my backline, the “wall of Berlin” conceded just two goals in the entire tournament. Winner of the Ballon D’Or for his performances. One of the very few defenders ever to have won that award
  • Manfred Kaltz - Solid performer for West Germany. Known for his beautiful crosses and penalties he will provide width on the right but is more balanced than Facchetti
  • Gilberto Silva - Defensive Shield to sit in front of the back 4 and track the midfield runners. Will lead quick transitions from the back laying the ball off to Iniesta and Rivellino to work their magic. He was one of the finds of the 2002 World Cup and “carried the piano for Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play their tunes on”
  • Diego Simeone - B2B midfielder. Agressive in his tackles and will be a perfect foil to help out in both attack and defense. Strong performer for Argentina, Simeone was regarded as a tenacious, versatile, hard-working and complete two-way midfielder who was mobile, good in the air and capable both of winning balls and starting attacking plays
  • Rivellino- Attacking midfielder. He is widely regarded as one of the most graceful football players ever, and among the best midfielders of his generation. With the close control, feints and ability with his left foot, Diego Maradona named Rivellino among his greatest inspirations growing up. He will attack from the left but will drift centrally when required and frequently interchange with Iniesta
  • Iniesta - Attacking Midfielder. Amongst the stars of the all conquering Barcelona and Spain teams, he is playing in an advanced attacking midfielder role. Creative, Inventive, great dribbler with excellent vision he is the perfect playmaker to feed two great strikers in front of him. Will drift wide to the right when required and will also interchange with Rivellino. His dribbling abilities will be hard to stop for the best of defenses
  • Paolo Rossi - Star of the Italian team of the 1982 World Cup. Top Goal Scorer, Golden ball winner as the player of the tournament. Rossi was a quick, agile, prolific, and elegant centre forward with good technique, balance, extremely quick reactions, an accurate shot, and an eye for goal, which enabled him to anticipate defenders in the box for the ball. He is well suited here in his partnership with Ronaldo to Score goals given the quality feeding him
  • Ronaldo - Probably the greatest centre forward of all time. Pace, lethal finishing and insane dribbling ability. He made his name terrorizing defenders and I expect him to do the same here. We are using his 1998 version. In 1998, no one was as ferociously talented as Ronaldo, whose supernatural mixture of power, pace and skill had made him the player every child in the playground wanted to be. He scored four goals and made three assists en route to the final and won the Golden Ball for the best player of the tournament. If only he did not get a fit before the final, the story may have been different.
 
Wasn't Stoichkov playing mostly up front for Bulgaria in 1994?
edit: alright, I can see him drifting inside a lot
 
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I'd swap Iniesta and Rivellino right away. Especially with Facchetti there and width not being a concern
 
@Indnyc would you not have been better setting up in a 4222 formation. Allowing Iniesta to float further into his left sided position and Rivelino less defensive workload with 2 defensive minded midfielders behind him.

It's especially highlighted by Rivelino being on the left of the diamond, instead of the right where it would most likely end up that way anyway.
 
Good luck @Indnyc

As a few have pointed out I don't see that diamond working. Don't think Revillino has the work rate or defensive ability to play that role, iniesta was most effective drifting in from wide areas in 2010, don't think he's ever played in the tip of a diamond.

As for his selections, Rivellino 74 isn't peak world cup form, can't remember Simeone doing anything special in 1994 and i would say I have the better keeper.
 
Arbitrium said:
“Iniesta will drift wide to the right”

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Yeah makes no sense at all that part. I don't know if he's got genuinely confused with left and right or not?
 
P-Nut0712 said:
Yeah makes no sense at all that part. I don't know if he's got genuinely confused with left and right or not?
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I mean he did kind of drift to the right to score the goal in the World Cup final but Iniesta is one of the greasy LCM of his era and in the all time bracket, and he spent most of that world cup there.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
Yeah makes no sense at all that part. I don't know if he's got genuinely confused with left and right or not?
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I think its alright.
Kaka at AC Milan constantly used to drift to the right side from the tip and pull players along.

Think the idea here is to transform to a 4-2-2-2 in phases. Iniesta can play that role to a good extent.
 
idmanager said:
I think its alright.
Kaka at AC Milan constantly used to drift to the right side from the tip and pull players along.

Think the idea here is to transform to a 4-2-2-2 in phases. Iniesta can play that role to a good extent.
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I thought we were basing it off their World Cup performances, not whether or not they can fit tactical instructions.

I’m voting from the mindset that World Cup performance comes first, so if a manager has 11 all stars against a team with 3 then I’m voting the team with 11 without even bothering to read the tactics.
 
Arbitrium said:
I thought we were basing it off their World Cup performances, not whether or not they can fit tactical instructions.

I’m voting from the mindset that World Cup performance comes first, so if a manager has 11 all stars against a team with 3 then I’m voting the team with 11 without even bothering to read the tactics.
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That's the way I see it too.
 
Arbitrium said:
I thought we were basing it off their World Cup performances, not whether or not they can fit tactical instructions.

I’m voting from the mindset that World Cup performance comes first, so if a manager has 11 all stars against a team with 3 then I’m voting the team with 11 without even bothering to read the tactics.
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Umm, should be a mix of both I suppose.
How much, that is upto you :)
 
I mean Rivellino played through the left in 70 but I would consider him equally devastating through the centre as well and won't call him out of position if someone used the 1970 version centrally at that time.
Obviously he was forced out of position and was equally good (arguably better) centrally.

If he had a good impact on the tournament, I am not going to hold the positions or tactical versatility against the managers. Becomes too static then.
 
I’m not feeling the diamond either. Iniesta/Rivellino look out of position and Simeone really wasn’t very good at WC 94. Also not sure about the Ronaldo/Rossi partnership. The defense looks good though.
 
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I mean Rivellino played through the left in 70 but I would consider him equally devastating through the centre as well and won't call him out of position if someone used the 1970 version centrally at that time.
Obviously he was forced out of position and was equally good (arguably better) centrally.

If he had a good impact on the tournament, I am not going to hold the positions or tactical versatility against the managers. Becomes too static then.
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He's not playing his 70 version. As I said it's not even his WC peak position
 
idmanager said:
I think its alright.
Kaka at AC Milan constantly used to drift to the right side from the tip and pull players along.

Think the idea here is to transform to a 4-2-2-2 in phases. Iniesta can play that role to a good extent.
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Yeah but would you say Kaka was famous for drifting to a particular side?

Iniesta is well known to constantly drift to the left. Like I said it wouldn't even be as bad if Rivelino was on the RCM position and could push up as Iniesta drifts wide. With him placed in the LCM position it means you have a highly attacking left side with no attacking output on the right. And that's without getting into the debate of Simeone and his performance at the 94 WC
 
First impressions here are that @2mufc0 's team has the stronger WC credentials. Indync has some inspired picks too, with the likes of Walker, Cannavaro and Rossi hitting possibly their career-best performance levels at their respective WCs, but there are question marks over Rivelino 1974 and Simeone 1994. I'd add Kaltz to that list, as he seemed to struggle replacing Beckenbauer as West Germany's libero and looked unconvincing for some of the goals they conceded vs Austria. Not voting yet to give @Indnyc an opportunity to justify his picks.
 
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
What about Santamaria @Pat_Mustard? ;)
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Oh yeah :lol:. Have you found much about his 1954 performances @2mufc0 ? I was reluctant to pick him as Uruguay didn't have a particularly good defensive record and beyond the Team of the Tournament accolade I couldn't find much commentary on his performances.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Oh yeah :lol:. Have you found much about his 1954 performances @2mufc0 ? I was reluctant to pick him as Uruguay didn't have a particularly good defensive record and beyond the Team of the Tournament accolade I couldn't find much commentary on his performances.
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At first glance you're right Uruguay's record doesn't look great - 9 goals conceded, but 4 of those were against that crazy Hungarian side which scored 27! goals that tournament . Also that 1954 tournament was a bit mad in terms of goals scored (from the last article i read the tournament had most goals per game in any world cup), if you look through the results they are full of games where 4+ goals scored.

Also if you look at the goals conceded by the top 4 teams they are as follows:

Hungary - 10
West Germany - 9
Uruguay - 9
Austria - 7

So given the context i wouldn't say they had a particularly bad tournament in terms of defence and he was picked in the all star team for good reason. Unfortunately there is little information on players outside the West Germans and Hungarians for that tournament. According to this article it was on the back of his performances in the 1954 world cup that European teams began to take interest in him:

http://www.world-football-legends.co.uk/index.php/uru/107-santamaria-jose
 
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2mufc0 said:
Unfortunately there is little information on players outside the West Germans and Hungarians for that tournament.
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I doubt even if the West Germans are that popular or spoken of. Hungarians were expected to win and are still more spoken of rather than the actual winners.

Hans Schafer for example would have been a brilliant pick for so many teams considering the low number of high quality players available in his position but went unpicked.

Wanted to pick him but couldn't sort the chain out. Scored 4 goals including in the final but still couldn't find a way through after 12 rounds.

Not like he was just a 1 WC wonder. Not sure if he has made his way through in any past drafts here yet but would be a great player to explore in future drafts.
 
@2mufc0 seals it for me. Fantastic team with strong WC credentials. Can see his formation and team working pretty well.

On the flip side Rivelino had a pretty good 74 tournament. Then he was more of a star man of course, but certainly can work interchanging with Iniesta.

For depiction purposes however I'd swap them up as it would better on the eye.
 
idmanager said:
I doubt even if the West Germans are that popular or spoken of. Hungarians were expected to win and are still more spoken of rather than the actual winners.

Hans Schafer for example would have been a brilliant pick for so many teams considering the low number of high quality players available in his position but went unpicked.

Wanted to pick him but couldn't sort the chain out. Scored 4 goals including in the final but still couldn't find a way through after 12 rounds.

Not like he was just a 1 WC wonder. Not sure if he has made his way through in any past drafts here yet but would be a great player to explore in future drafts.
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There are quite a few articles and praise for that West German team because of their ameteur background and ofcourse overcoming that Hungarian juggernaut, and rightly so it was an impressive feat. Agree about some of those players going unpicked, Helmut Rahn and Fritz Walters are also others.
 
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Enigma_87 said:
@2mufc0 seals it for me. Fantastic team with strong WC credentials. Can see his formation and team working pretty well.

On the flip side Rivelino had a pretty good 74 tournament. Then he was more of a star man of course, but certainly can work interchanging with Iniesta.

For depiction purposes however I'd swap them up as it would better on the eye.
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Thanks Enigma.
 
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At first glance you're right Uruguay's record doesn't look great - 9 goals conceded, but 4 of those were against that crazy Hungarian side which scored 27! goals that tournament . Also that 1954 tournament was a bit mad in terms of goals scored (from the last article i read the tournament had most goals per game in any world cup), if you look through the results they are full of games where 4+ goals scored.

Also if you look at the goals conceded by the top 4 teams they are as follows:

Hungary - 10
West Germany - 9
Uruguay - 9
Austria - 7

So given the context i wouldn't say they had a particularly bad tournament in terms of defence and he was picked in the all star team for good reason. Unfortunately there is little information on players outside the West Germans and Hungarians for that tournament. According to this article it was on the back of his performances in the 1954 world cup that European teams began to take interest in him:

http://www.world-football-legends.co.uk/index.php/uru/107-santamaria-jose
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Aye, good points all around. It was a high scoring WC and a high-scoring era in general of course. West Germany actually conceded 12 goals in 5 games, so Uruguay's defensive record wasn't exactly bad (especially given that two of the goals were conceded in extra time vs Hungary), just unexceptional.
 
Indnyc has a great defence, but the midfield needs some working out. Those side-CM roles in a diamond are critical and I don't think Simeone was as dominant or as compelling an influence in 1994 as he was in 1998. He'd certainly be a good fit there to be fair at the top of his game. Similarly though, tilting the diamond into a 4-2-2-2 would get more out of Rivelino and offer better protection against the runs of Matthaus in particular who looks good for a goal here.
 
Arbitrium said:
I thought we were basing it off their World Cup performances, not whether or not they can fit tactical instructions.

I’m voting from the mindset that World Cup performance comes first, so if a manager has 11 all stars against a team with 3 then I’m voting the team with 11 without even bothering to read the tactics.
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thats a strange view of things IMO
You vote for the best team not for the best group of individuals. WC theme is there just to change the pool for drafting part but the games are the same as always. Obviously if someone only has 3 players that performed well at WC you will vote for the other guy but lets say one has a 11 WC superstars but a horrible team with players that dont fit together and play positions they cant play vs a team with 6 superstars and others that were solid/good but the team fits perfectly. Im voting for the second team no question about it....
 
@Arbitrium @2mufc0 you cannot judge performance without tactical fit. For example, I pick Maradona and play him as a DM, would you still vote for it ignoring the tactical blunder?

The role need not be a exact one-to-one match, but tactically what is expected of the player should be similar to what he played in the chosen WC peak.
 
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