WC All Stars Chain Draft QF - Arbitrium vs Tuppet

with players at indicated WC peaks, who will win the match?


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......................................... TEAM ARBITRIUM ................................................................................... TEAM TUPPET .........................................

TEAM ARBITRIUM:

Formation: 41212 Diamond

Explanation.
Deliberated over whether or not to guarantee I win the midfield battle, or shut up shop and do everything I can to limit that mouthwatering attack on Tuppet's side. Also wasn't sure if Tuppet would even try and fit Facchetti in as taking his best version means dropping Gerson.

Decided on the diamond with Varela at the bottom because in the history of the world cup, if it could be argued that a DM had a chance against 86 Maradona, then Varela would have as strong a case as any. With Neeskens, Tardelli and Hagi ahead of him, thats an area of the field I expect to get the better of, even if Gerson does play.

I have reverted from 1970 Pele to the 1958 version to form what would be one of the most lethal attacks imaginable in WC historical context. There are those who rate Pele's 1958 as even better than his 1970 version and now I'm undoubtedly able to get the best from Hagi who had one of the best pure no.10 WC performances in recent memory.

Reasons why I will win: Like the previous game, this is close and it will come down to voter interpretation of who's attack can be more devastating. I would require all my defenders to be on top of their game to deal with the other attacking threats, but I think it makes sense to see Varela being able to have decent success against Maradona. I think this game could end up being won in the middle of the park and I have more industry there and ability at both ends of the field.


Thoughts on opposition: Will have to make proper observations once I see the team but based on his reinforcements, if he starts Facchetti then Gerson, Lato or Eusebio will have to miss out so i'm thinking it might have been more a case of stopping others from getting him. If 1970 Facchetti plays then His midfield will get absolutely steamrolled by my side. It will be interested to see how Zico fairs, as Maradona takes the number 10 role and then it's a case of Zico moving to the left where he would be a little less comfortable, and like the last game, his shape could play into Maicon's hands when i'm attacking.

I'm also of the opinion that in a world cup sense, playing 86 Maradona (for me easily the best WC performance ever) actually has the potential to limit the effects of the other star players, who were all used to being the main man for their sides. The flip side of that is that they click, and its devastating.


Player Profiles;

Luis Conejo- Goalkeeper
World Cup All Star 1990


Performed so well at the 1990 World Cup that he simply had to be included in the team of the tournament. His performances secured Costa Rica second place in a tough group containing Brazil, Scotland and Sweded and he placed himself into Costa Rican Footballing Folklore, an unsurpassed hero until Joel Campbell’s 2014 exploits.

Maicon- Right back
World Cup All Star 2010


Such was his performance in this World Cup (and the lead up to it) he relegated Dani Alves to the bench, forcing him to make his impact as a right sided midfielder. His goal against North Korea epitomized what he was about, and he demonstrated his attacking and defensive versatility all tournament.

Thiago Silva- Centre Back

World Cup All Star 2014

Was absolutely sensational for Brazil throughout the world cup and its highly likely that with him in the side, Germany don't beat Brazil 7-1 In the Semi Final. Capable on the ball, and fast enough to keep up with any attacker, he has the strength and ability in the air to deal with any long back, and will form a formiddable partnership with Passarella.

Daniel Passarella- Centre Back- Captain
World Cup all star 1978
World Cup Winner

Sensational in 1978, as he led Argentina to their first World cup. One of the most iconic South American players in history, he captains the side and has a little bit more freedom to be himself due to the presence of Varela next to my other two cm's, but his job is a defensive first one, given the quality of the opposition.

Bixente Lizarazu- Left Back
World Cup Winner

The Jiu-Jitsu warrior is as solid a left back as you can get in a world cup context, managed to stave off the threat of Garrincha last game so he's well prepared if Lato plays out right again. Hugely Capable at both ends of the field.

Obdulio Varela
World Cup All Star 1950
World cup winner

Regarded as one of the greatest captains in the history of the sport, it was Varela's influence in the 1950 final against host nation Brazil that saw them overcome unbelievable odds and lift the trophy. He was nothing short of sensational this World cup, and if any defensive minded midfielder in the history of the game can limit Maradona's impact on this game, it's Varela

Johan Neeskens- Box to Box Central Midfield

World Cup All Star 1974

Silver boot winner with 5 goals Neeskens was like Cruyff's General this tournament. With the insurance of Varela next to him, Neeskens will be able to play his perfect game

Marco Tardelli- Box to Box Central Midfield
World Cup All Star 1982
World Cup Winner

Whilst he was excellent in this World Cup, he's been picked because of the passion he brings. His celebration in the 1982 final epitomizes everything about the exhilaration and joy of football. He celebrated the way any fan would if they scored a goal in a World Cup Final and for me, it's top 3 most iconic moments in the history of the sport, not just this tournament.

Gheorghe Hagi- Attacking Midfielder
World Cup All Star 1994

3 Goals, and the catalyst for Romania's surprise run to the quarter finals, Hagi is the perfect number 10. Capable of shooting from anywhere (see his goal v Colombia) Hagi was almost impossible to shove off the ball and didn't mind getting stuck in. He will occupy the defensive midfielders of Tuppet so much that Kocsis and Pele in front of him will have a lot of joy.

Pele- Second Striker
World Cup All Star and 2nd best Player of the Tournament 1958
World Cup Winner

This is the tournament where Pele announced himself to the world. He was nigh on unstoppable, and scored his 6 goals across 3 games. Whilst he still had the ability to drop and pick up the ball, this version of Pele was just devastating up top and he will be part of one of the most deadly duos imaginable in WC history.

Sandor Kocsis- Centre Forward
World cup all star 1954

with 11 goals in one tournament, he holds the second highest tally for a single tournament. In 54 he formed an amazing partnership with Puskas, and here he gets to do it with probably the greatest teenager ever to play the game. Devastating on the ground and in the air, he will get on the end of Hagi's creativity and the forward runs/crosses of my full backs.

TEAM TUPPET

Tactics: 3-4-1-2
Defensive line: Deep
Fast tempo football with quick & direct counter attacking.

When you get lucky to get the greatest performer in the world cup history in this draft, it only makes sense to create the tactic around him. Fortunately my team was already playing the counter attacking setup that suits Maradona to a tee and I have tried to make additions with that in mind.

Our tactic would be basically utilizing Maradona 1986 to his fullest by giving him complete freedom to run the game. His amazing passes now go to two golden boot winners in Eusebio 66 & Lato 78 who are both fast attackers with great finishing and flourished in similar counter attacking setup. To get more mobility and defensive solidity we have replaced Gerson to Ocwirk who made WC 54 all star team. The partnership of Ocwirk & Mauro Silva should provide a solid screen to my defense.

In Facchetti we have acquired probably the greatest attacking left back in history and yet another player who was a master of counter attacking play. With Gerets on the other side they would provide solid attacking & defensive width for my team. The defense is led by Scirea one of the all time greatest defenders supported by two brilliant world cup performers in Ruggeri & Schnellinger.

Why would we win -

1. Maradona 1986 - The GOAT, given full tactical freedom with a great defensive base and two outstanding finisher in front of him. I know he faces a tough midfield but that was usually not enough to stop him.

2. Tactical setup - We haver a clear tactical direction and almost all of our players suit it perfectly. Most of them have played all their career and in the respective world cups. Looking at arbitrium's picks it looks like he might play a diamond and I am not sure it would suit Pele and especially Kocsis, both of whom liked to play with out and out wingers.

3. Rock solid defense - Outstanding defense considering the world cup stakes. We are facing Pele but even he would find it tough to break down my back 5 shielded by two defensive midfielders.

4. Passing & creativity - In Maradona, Ocwirk, Eusebio & Scirea we have so many fantastic passer & creative players that it would be nearly impossible to stop my attack from getting great opportunities to score. Long balls from Scirea & Ocwirk would come really handy for quick counter attacks.

5. Goals - 2 world cup golden boot winners up front in Lato & Eusebio. Both extremely fast & direct players and with service behind them I don't see how they won't score here.

Player profiles & world cup specifics -
Starting from back Chilavert as the best GK of 1998 world cup was a formidable presence who managed three clean sheets in normal time out of four games (and conceded the one goal in a 3-1 win in the other). An accomplished sweeper-keeper, his distribution was excellent and a powerful attacking outlet.

Scirea would take on his usual sweeper role that he played for both club & country. He would be the defender most concerned with Pele as well as releasing the ball from deep.

Schnillenger & Oscar Ruggeri would be the two robust center back partnership in front of Scirea. Two of the most accomplished defenders of all time, both had very good world cups in 1962 & 1990 respectively. Schnillenger made it to the all star team while Ruggeri was leader of a mean defense that got all the way to the final.

Facchetti is my left back. He is well known for being one of the all time greatest wing back and had great performance in 1970 world cup captaining his side to the final and only getting beaten by arguably the greatest world cup team of all time. On the right side is Eric Gerets from 1982 world cup. Belgium team in that world cup came from the high of reaching finals in 1980 Euro finals, and played brilliantly in the group stages. That included a famous victory over Argentina that helped them finish at the top of the group that consisted Argentina & Hungary. Tragedy struck however when Pfaff & Gerets collided and could not start in the match against Poland & the lost their captain & best defender as well as a rampaging Boniek crashed Belgium out of the tournament. Gerets was brilliant whenever he played providing attacking thrust with defensive solidity.

Ocwirk 1954 was the best player of Austrian team that finished at 3rd place in world cup 1954. A really complete player who has played in both defense and midfield, he was a fantastic passer (nicknamed clockwork for his accuracy) as well as a good defender. He'll be playing as a deep lying playmaker. Mauro Silva 1994 would be partnering him in a defensive midfielder role. He was absolutely rock solid in 94 world cup and was crucial in their world cup win. He would be mostly tasked with winning the ball and breaking up the play.

Lato is arguably the best right winger in the draft along with Garrincha. His feat of scoring 7 goals with an underdog Polish team is fantastic. He is golden boot winner in 1974 world cup and is given full license to play in his preferred style of cutting in from right side.

Its not often that there is a clearly best player in the draft pool. Maradona 1986 however is widely recognized as the best performance in world cup history.

Eusebio 1966 is considered one of the greatest performance by any forward in the world cup. He would spear head my attack using his pace & physicality to run behind the defense and get on the end of balls from Maradona & Ocwirk. He is another golden boot winner in my team and his & lato's presence up front means that we should not be short of the goals.
 
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“Karl Heinz Schnellinger is my left back. He is well known for being one of best defensive full back of all time and had great performance in 1962 world cup getting selected in all star team”

This from tuppets first round game. Whilst not quite as bad as shoving 1998 Thuram to RCB, did Schnellinger actually play here in 1962? The one video I watched he was attacking from left back.
 
Varela on his day could stop anyone. But then, Maradona (much like Romario) had that spunk you need to rise to the challenge.

Would be one for the ages no doubt.
I asked antohan about the prospects of Varela v Maradona, that was his response. It looks like this will be the match up, and given the help my two box to box midfielders will provide and the relative unwillingness for ocwirk and Mauro Silva to get forward, I think I’m as confident as anyone could be about stopping Maradona causing havoc.
 
Best of luck @Arbitrium .

I did think Pele 58 is a real possibility but didn't think you'll do it. IMO 1970 Pele is the best Pele performance and one of the top 3 WC performances of all time, 1958 not so much. He wasn't the best player in Brazilian team (which was Didi) nor was the best striker of the tournament (Fontaine) . Don't get me wrong I think it was a very good performance but not quite all time greatest level here and sacrificing him to fit in Hagi seem like a bad move to me. I'll back my defense against 17 years old Pele.
 
I have beaten the drum of Kocsis performing best when playing with out and out wingers in a previous draft and I really believe it. I don't think diamond gets the best of either Pele or Kocsis but especially Kocsis, who had a real connection with Czibor and his crosses.
 
Best of luck @Arbitrium .

I did think Pele 58 is a real possibility but didn't think you'll do it. IMO 1970 Pele is the best Pele performance and one of the top 3 WC performances of all time, 1958 not so much. He wasn't the best player in Brazilian team (which was Didi) nor was the best striker of the tournament (Fontaine) . Don't get me wrong I think it was a very good performance but not quite all time greatest level here and sacrificing him to fit in Hagi seem like a bad move to me. I'll back my defense against 17 years old Pele.

https://m.sportsbreak.com/soccer/the-10-best-performances-in-world-cup-history/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/362687-the-10-greatest-world-cup-performances-of-all-time#slide9

Couple of good articles both of which have Pele 1958 as his best.

Now make no mistake, Pele 1970 to me is second behind Maradona, but more because of a combination of individual brilliance and team play. If I had gotten garrincha in reinforcements then I’d have kept 1970 Pele, but with the players I had I think this move made a lot of sense. If Peles 1970 was a 10/10 then Hagi 94 was probably an 8/10 at worst and I was willing to give him his due in a game where your midfield might m get overrun at times particularly when Scirea isn’t stepping forward.
 
I have beaten the drum of Kocsis performing best when playing with out and out wingers in a previous draft and I really believe it. I don't think diamond gets the best of either Pele or Kocsis but especially Kocsis, who had a real connection with Czibor and his crosses.

This is something Hagi can help with. In that 1994 WC he was all over the final 3rd creating and had pretty good delivery. He’ll be crossing the ball to both Kocsis and Pele on more than one occasion, plus 1998 lizarazu v 1982 gerets is a battle I see me winning.
 
https://m.sportsbreak.com/soccer/the-10-best-performances-in-world-cup-history/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/362687-the-10-greatest-world-cup-performances-of-all-time#slide9

Couple of good articles both of which have Pele 1958 as his best.

Now make no mistake, Pele 1970 to me is second behind Maradona, but more because of a combination of individual brilliance and team play. If I had gotten garrincha in reinforcements then I’d have kept 1970 Pele, but with the players I had I think this move made a lot of sense. If Peles 1970 was a 10/10 then Hagi 94 was probably an 8/10 at worst and I was willing to give him his due in a game where your midfield might m get overrun at times particularly when Scirea isn’t stepping forward.
Those lists !!

Bleacher report listed Ronaldo 2002 as the best ever performance and doesn't even have Garrincha 62. Sportsbreak list Garrincha as 10th best performance behind hurst and zenga. I don't really expect much from bleacher report but those lists are horrendous. Getting Pele and not using 1970s world cup just seem wrong to me.
 
two great teams but i dont feel Hagi at this level, no matter how good Pele was in 58' you dont drop the best performance(at worst second best) in history of WC for fecking Hagi, specially not when you facing that other performance.
 
Eusebio will tear Thiago and Maicon a new one.
 
two great teams but i dont feel Hagi at this level, no matter how good Pele was in 58' you dont drop the best performance(at worst second best) in history of WC for fecking Hagi, specially not when you facing that other performance.

He’s fine at this level, especially considering the opposition. Tuppets side has 3 players who appeared in the final, I have 6. His side has 2 World Cup winners, I have 5. He has 7 all stars on the field, I have 9.
 
Eusebio will tear Thiago and Maicon a new one.

Yeah I obviously agree, I’m just not sure how often he comes up against them I always had Eusébio appearing more on the right, where lizarazu/Passarella will fair a bit better?
 
Hope the midfield battle gets taken into account here. You can make a case for both sets of attackers having an amazing game, but you just can’t escape the fact that I win the midfield battle.
 
He’s fine at this level, especially considering the opposition. Tuppets side has 3 players who appeared in the final, I have 6. His side has 2 World Cup winners, I have 5. He has 7 all stars on the field, I have 9.

reckon we have a different view on draft mechanics, awards and team wins mean very little to me...this is not tennis, its a team sport and sometimes team success doesnt match individual. All players had a very good to great WC resume(only dont know anything about Conejo and Gerets on their WCs).
He has a slightly better defence, you have a better midfield, both have a great attack but what sets the team apart is that he perfectly built and utilized his star performer while you sacrificed yours for a player that during the course of his career has proven isa a great player but in a tier below highest. He needs to be the main player and is not good enough to be that at the top team IMO Performance for Romania doesnt change that as he was at his element. A team that is not the best was built around his and he was a star performer.
 
reckon we have a different view on draft mechanics, awards and team wins mean very little to me...this is not tennis, its a team sport and sometimes team success doesnt match individual. All players had a very good to great WC resume(only dont know anything about Conejo and Gerets on their WCs).
He has a slightly better defence, you have a better midfield, both have a great attack but what sets the team apart is that he perfectly built and utilized his star performer while you sacrificed yours for a player that during the course of his career has proven isa a great player but in a tier below highest. He needs to be the main player and is not good enough to be that at the top team IMO Performance for Romania doesnt change that as he was at his element. A team that is not the best was built around his and he was a star performer.

This is the beauty of having Pele, as he was a star performer in 58 and 70.

I wanted to use both versions and felt that 70 Pele in a diamond would have come under a bit of scrutiny. I genuinely feel that for the opponent I’m facing and the players I have, I’ve set up the best I could.

- - - - - - Pele- - - - - -
Tardelli - - - - - Neeskens
- - - - - Varela - - - - -

That just looks off to me. Reinforcements weren’t kind to me in terms of improving the functionality of my team so I just opted to mix it up a lot instead of a little. Happy with the result and don’t begrudge a vote either way, I just know that in a draft about World Cup all stars, I have the better mechanics.
 
I also don’t see how Kocsis is a good fit here, you have no wingers to make use of his colossus heading ability, he can do a job through the middle but you are cutting out one of his biggest assets.
 
I also don’t see how Koscis is a good fit here, you have no wingers to make use of his colossus heading ability, he can do a job through the middle but you are cutting out one of his biggest assets.

I think my full backs can get fairly involved here. I don’t know much about gerets, but I do know Belgium were soundly beaten in the second round of 1982 so I’m thinking WC winner lizarazu has a good game here. On the other side, Maicon v Facchetti will perhaps yield one or two opportunities for me but I don’t necessarily need wingers to get the ball to Kocsis where he likes it. Hagi drifts, Pele drifts, and with true box to box midfielders, there’s ample opportunity for my players to have a bit of time and space. You don’t only score headers from crosses in wide areas.
 
This is the beauty of having Pele, as he was a star performer in 58 and 70.

I wanted to use both versions and felt that 70 Pele in a diamond would have come under a bit of scrutiny. I genuinely feel that for the opponent I’m facing and the players I have, I’ve set up the best I could.

- - - - - - Pele- - - - - -
Tardelli - - - - - Neeskens
- - - - - Varela - - - - -

That just looks off to me. Reinforcements weren’t kind to me in terms of improving the functionality of my team so I just opted to mix it up a lot instead of a little. Happy with the result and don’t begrudge a vote either way, I just know that in a draft about World Cup all stars, I have the better mechanics.

He was a star performer but that 70 WC really elevated him to the God status, he combined every possible quality a footballer can have in that tournament and you can pretty much put him in any formation with any sort of teammates and im sure he would be fine.
 
He was a star performer but that 70 WC really elevated him to the God status, he combined every possible quality a footballer can have in that tournament and you can pretty much put him in any formation with any sort of teammates and im sure he would be fine.

Pele70, Careca86, Kocsis54 = 27/30

Pele58, Kocsis54, Hagi94 = 28/30

I just liked the collective mechanics more, I think it’s a truer reflection of their impact on the World Cup and the ability to work together. Pele 1958 still dwarves 95% of the players selected in this draft, and his records from that tournament might never be broken. It’s like swapping your Lamborghini for a Ferrari.
 
Hope the midfield battle gets taken into account here. You can make a case for both sets of attackers having an amazing game, but you just can’t escape the fact that I win the midfield battle.
tbh there is not much of a midfield battle here. A deep defending, counter attacking set up specifically bypasses the midfield battle. So for example Mauro silva is not going to try and take on Neeskens or Tardelli, neither would Ocwirk try to dribble against those midfielders. both of my midfielders are instructed to defend and nick the ball of your attackers then utilize either Scirea or Ocwirk's passing to get it to Maradona's feet. the other option is to use wingbacks to carry the ball forward for which I have two of the best ones.

The other thing is even if Maradona is somehow limited by your midfield, you have Eusebio to take care of, his 66 performance I would rate better than Pele's 58 and he was very much capable of dropping and creating chances for himself and Lato.

Finally its funny that you mention all star status in one post and then pretty much acknowledge in the next one that Lizarzu is the better defender than Maicon & Thiago Silva when both of them were selected in all star and Lizarazu wasn't.
 
tbh there is not much of a midfield battle here. A deep defending, counter attacking set up specifically bypasses the midfield battle. So for example Mauro silva is not going to try and take on Neeskens or Tardelli, neither would Ocwirk try to dribble against those midfielders. both of my midfielders are instructed to defend and nick the ball of your attackers then utilize either Scirea or Ocwirk's passing to get it to Maradona's feet. the other option is to use wingbacks to carry the ball forward for which I have two of the best ones.

The other thing is even if Maradona is somehow limited by your midfield, you have Eusebio to take care of, his 66 performance I would rate better than Pele's 58 and he was very much capable of dropping and creating chances for himself and Lato.

Finally its funny that you mention all star status in one post and then pretty much acknowledge in the next one that Lizarzu is the better defender than Maicon & Thiago Silva when both of them were selected in all star and Lizarazu wasn't.

I did feel lizarazu was unfairly floated over thanks to the promotability of Roberto Carlos (remember the Nike commercials at the time :drool:)
 
@Tuppet

Do you have anything on Scirea 78? All I can see is he wore number 8 and can’t work out his position.
 
Pele70, Careca86, Kocsis54 = 27/30

Pele58, Kocsis54, Hagi94 = 28/30

I just liked the collective mechanics more, I think it’s a truer reflection of their impact on the World Cup and the ability to work together. Pele 1958 still dwarves 95% of the players selected in this draft, and his records from that tournament might never be broken. It’s like swapping your Lamborghini for a Ferrari.

tbf if you had a top number 10 and not Hagi it would be a much closer call, this way i dont see past tuppet
 
I don’t know much about gerets, but I do know Belgium were soundly beaten in the second round of 1982 so I’m thinking WC winner lizarazu has a good game here.
Gerets was knocked unconscious in the third group game by Pfaff, his own goalkeeper, and didn't play after that if I remember correctly. Neither did Pfaff by the way for some weird reason I never quite understood. Anyway, Belgium lost their captain in Gerets and their world class goalkeeper in that third game and therefore never stood a chance afterwards. You can't really take anything away from Gerets' performances by saying Belgium went out if Gerets didn't even play in the games they lost.
 
I think my full backs can get fairly involved here. I don’t know much about gerets, but I do know Belgium were soundly beaten in the second round of 1982 so I’m thinking WC winner lizarazu has a good game here. On the other side, Maicon v Facchetti will perhaps yield one or two opportunities for me but I don’t necessarily need wingers to get the ball to Kocsis where he likes it. Hagi drifts, Pele drifts, and with true box to box midfielders, there’s ample opportunity for my players to have a bit of time and space. You don’t only score headers from crosses in wide areas.
As I mentioned in OP Gerets & Pfaff got injured in the last group stage game. Without their first choice goalkeeper and their captain & best defender Belgium just fell apart. They performed brilliantly in group stage beating the holders Argentina (with Maradona) to top the group.

Maicon vs Facchetti is not going end well for Maicon IMO.

Also this drifting argument works in most cases but Kocsis is a true targetman he is on the record that he preferred getting crosses in the air consistently. Yeah sometimes you'll get a player in the wide areas and cross the ball but a diamond specifically focuses on attacking through the middle and thats not what Kocsis would prefer.
 
tbh there is not much of a midfield battle here. A deep defending, counter attacking set up specifically bypasses the midfield battle. So for example Mauro silva is not going to try and take on Neeskens or Tardelli, neither would Ocwirk try to dribble against those midfielders. both of my midfielders are instructed to defend and nick the ball of your attackers then utilize either Scirea or Ocwirk's passing to get it to Maradona's feet. the other option is to use wingbacks to carry the ball forward for which I have two of the best ones.

The other thing is even if Maradona is somehow limited by your midfield, you have Eusebio to take care of, his 66 performance I would rate better than Pele's 58 and he was very much capable of dropping and creating chances for himself and Lato.

Finally its funny that you mention all star status in one post and then pretty much acknowledge in the next one that Lizarzu is the better defender than Maicon & Thiago Silva when both of them were selected in all star and Lizarazu wasn't.

This is where the relentlessness and durability of my midfield comes in to play. Neeskens and tardelli won’t stop, so your defensive mids are in for a torrid time particulate Mauro Silva who I remember as being VERY slow? I think Hagi, Pele and Kocsis command enough respect to occupy your defenders, so I really just see me overrunning you in there. And remember the goal threat from Neeskens too.

One thing I’m really not sure about for either of us is how involved will our full backs actually be?
 
Re Kocsis



Hard to tell here but doesn’t look like he needs delivery from the wings in this WC. Best example of this 60 seconds in. He’s fine in this set up IMO and likely to score, especially when up against Schnilleger who by your own admission in the last game was more renowned as an attacking left back @Tuppet ?
 
Formations like these are tailor made for Careca. Surprised he is dropped here. Master of stretching the defense and creating space for the maestro behind.

Hagi should have been benched with Pele playing where he plays best.

I was intrigued as to how Tuppet would lineup as I didn't see any obvious setup that would work with his firepower. Not really a fan of the front 3 as well as it doesn't look like it will get much out of Eusebio and Lato. Of course it's still miles ahead of Arbit's front 3 which I think needs major reschuffling.
 
Formations like these are tailor made for Careca. Surprised he is dropped here. Master of stretching the defense and creating space for the maestro behind.

Hagi should have been benched with Pele playing where he plays best.

I was intrigued as to how Tuppet would lineup as I didn't see any obvious setup that would work with his firepower. Not really a fan of the front 3 as well as it doesn't look like it will get much out of Eusebio and Lato. Of course it's still miles ahead of Arbit's front 3 which I think needs major reschuffling.

One of the best #10 performances at a World Cup, and two all time great striker performances is miles behind?:confused:
 
Re Kocsis

Hard to tell here but doesn’t look like he needs delivery from the wings in this WC. Best example of this 60 seconds in. He’s fine in this set up IMO and likely to score, especially when up against Schnilleger who by your own admission in the last game was more renowned as an attacking left back @Tuppet ?
Wait what, you even quoted my post from the last game -

“Karl Heinz Schnellinger is my left back. He is well known for being one of best defensive full back of all time and had great performance in 1962 world cup getting selected in all star team”

This from tuppets first round game. Whilst not quite as bad as shoving 1998 Thuram to RCB, did Schnellinger actually play here in 1962? The one video I watched he was attacking from left back.
 
Gerets was knocked unconscious in the third group game by Pfaff, his own goalkeeper, and didn't play after that if I remember correctly. Neither did Pfaff by the way for some weird reason I never quite understood. Anyway, Belgium lost their captain in Gerets and their world class goalkeeper in that third game and therefore never stood a chance afterwards. You can't really take anything away from Gerets' performances by saying Belgium went out if Gerets didn't even play in the games they lost.

242 minutes in the tournament though, pretty hard to judge him off of.
 
One of the best #10 performances at a World Cup, and two all time great striker performances is miles behind?:confused:

It is a bit underwhelming for the post reinforcement games mate. You'd want someone who reached at least the final to be pulling the strings. Hagi had a great WC, don't get me wrong, but your team is missing a Maradona/Pele/Cruyff/Ronaldo stature player in there at the peak of their powers terrorizing the opposition.

I don't mind Kocsis in a diamond as long as the wing backs are great attackers. Neither are in an all time context here am afraid.

What works for you is the midfield. That is a battle you would win hands down if not for the opposition holding the Diego cheat card.
 
Can somebody comment on how Ocwirk compares in an All-Time context? As far as I'm concerned, the likes of Varela and Neeskens put in some of the best midfield performances ever, respective to their roles.
 
It is a bit underwhelming for the post reinforcement games mate. You'd want someone who reached at least the final to be pulling the strings. Hagi had a great WC, don't get me wrong, but your team is missing a Maradona/Pele/Cruyff/Ronaldo stature player in there at the peak of their powers terrorizing the opposition.

I don't mind Kocsis in a diamond as long as the wing backs are great attackers. Neither are in an all time context here am afraid.

What works for you is the midfield. That is a battle you would win hands down if not for the opposition holding the Diego cheat card.

You can only judge my full backs on the WC in question and Maicon was just fine attacking in 2010 hence his inclusion in the all star team.

And as far as Maradona goes, I’m holding the best card possible in this context to stop him. One of the best captains ever, who led his country to glory against Brazil in their own back yard, and one of if not the best DM in international history. I have tardelli and Neeskens able to help out at times too. This is as good as it gets to limit Maradonas Effectiveness on a game.