Wayne Rooney, The Midfield General? Mourinho Says No.

What should we do with Rooney ?

  • Keep him as a starting XI player

    Votes: 23 6.7%

  • Sell him

    Votes: 221 64.8%

  • Keep him as a squad player

    Votes: 97 28.4%
  • Total voters
    341
  • Poll closed .
So a "good tournament" is now:

• Playing well against worst side in competition.
• Playing ok against Wales.
• Playing like shit for 30 minutes against Slovakia.
• Playing like complete dog shit versus Iceland.



The standards of a player having a good competition have certainly slipped @ottosec
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
So a "good tournament" is now:

• Playing well against worst side in competition.
• Playing ok against Wales.
• Playing like shit for 30 minutes against Slovakia.
• Playing like complete dog shit versus Iceland.



The standards of a player having a good competition have certainly slipped @ottosec
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Some will beg to differ and say he has had some awesome performances. 8/10 is no joke!
 
don't sign old players said:
I just can't believe the dumb things we've done recently. We wouldn't sell Real Madrid a virus, but we spent almost as much on diMaria as we received for Ronaldo. We gave away Pogba for nothing, now he's worth 80mil. We handed 6 year contracts to Rooney and Moyes. We signed Falcao nearing 30 and coming off acl injury. Add Darmian, Depay and others to the list. Glazer's head must be spinning with all this muppet madness. Who is steering this ship? He should be tossed overboard.
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Certainly can't deny since the summer of Fergies last season the Glazers have spent bucket loads on players. The Moyes summer wasn't their fault, money was there £28million on Fellaini, money was there for Bale and Fabregas but Moyes dithered all summer and ended up with nothing. Summer after that was the big one, Shaw, Herrera, Blind, Rojo, Valdes, Di Maria and Falcao all players at the time were considered to be very very good and most of them had superb world cups in Brazil. Last summer we ended up with Scheniderlin, Memphis, Darmian, Bastian and Martial again all 5 players were in demand at the time and the Glazers paid big for them.

The problems been the management of these players and having a vision to create a team of players that compliment each other. A director of football at United wouldn't be the worst thing to have alongside Woodward who's strengths clearly lie in the commercial side of the club.
 
parisite said:
Probably but then I really don't see a queue forming to buy him, do you?
He is costing us far too much for his actual value and that would be the same anywhere else. If you think he's going to take a cut on what 3 years at 200000£ a week or so then you are deluded.
Plenty of our players are said to be taking pay cuts next season, perhaps Rooney just isn't one of them.
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I never said he would go. I said he needed to go for the benefit of the team.
 
Wayne is no midfield general and I'm wondering how Jose will use him.

Once fit and available, he's not going to be left out. He's not going to play as a striker or a winger. He's not a good #10 or CM.

Where will Jose play Wayne? :confused:
 
sully1 said:
Certainly can't deny since the summer of Fergies last season the Glazers have spent bucket loads on players. The Moyes summer wasn't their fault, money was there £28million on Fellaini, money was there for Bale and Fabregas but Moyes dithered all summer and ended up with nothing. Summer after that was the big one, Shaw, Herrera, Blind, Rojo, Valdes, Di Maria and Falcao all players at the time were considered to be very very good and most of them had superb world cups in Brazil. Last summer we ended up with Scheniderlin, Memphis, Darmian, Bastian and Martial again all 5 players were in demand at the time and the Glazers paid big for them.

The problems been the management of these players and having a vision to create a team of players that compliment each other. A director of football at United wouldn't be the worst thing to have alongside Woodward who's strengths clearly lie in the commercial side of the club.
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For me there's just too much chopping and changing, searching for a team in the transfer market when we should be working harder to develop a team by getting the best out of what we've got.
We've offloaded alot of decent players and spent big money searching for upgrades that just weren't there. The best teams are settled teams and we're not even trying to achieve that. It just seems to be about throwing money at problems, when the real issue appears to involve tactical inadequacies and lack of patience with players that actually play with spirit. Evra, Fletcher et al. are perfect examples of players that were sold wrongly and we brought in players, for example, that don't even want to be here to replace them. We should be working more towards improving the players we've got and fitting them into a system that extracts the best utilization of their strengths. It's tough to expect players to bleed for the shirt when we only going to dispense with them the moment something else tickles our fancy. Players need to settle and feel secure but it just doesn't seem to happen with us, post-Ferguson. Our list management needs to contain more regard for the stability of players and teamwork, and place less value on the muppet whims of a management that seems hellbent on spending money on shiny new toys.
 
Pictures of him apparently smacking Icelandic Player in the face

Picture all over Icelandic news, fb and twitter

But as the Icelandic player did not go down as if he been shot, not picked up originally
 
Template_Toby said:
Wayne is no midfield general and I'm wondering how Jose will use him.

Once fit and available, he's not going to be left out. He's not going to play as a striker or a winger. He's not a good #10 or CM.

Where will Jose play Wayne? :confused:
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Left Back in the changing room
 
I hope jose shows some balls and gets rid of him. There is hope because he did edge out a chelsea legend in lampard so if anyone will do it then it's mourinho.

He's rubbish as a striker and even worse as a midfielder, he will be a constant drain on us next season much like he was last season and this team won't progress as long as he remains here.


I hope China come along and take him away or we just ditch him Because enough is enough.
 
Born2Lose said:
Hmm.. who to believe, some on the Caf and English media or Lothar Matthaus



https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...-leader-against-iceland-but-he-just-wasnt-it/
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its fascinating how someone like Matthaus, with no bias either way completely sums our situation up. Stuff that has been debated and defended for months by managers and media alike. Rooney isn't a leader and his time is up, let another coach and young players have a go. Joe Hart is shit, the defenders have no confidence in him. This is why German players win stuff
 
Rooney shouldn't really be in either team. He still hits streaks of good form but they are coming further between periods of shite. Personally I find him a drag, he's constantly shoehorned in and how he's protected by ex players, the press, the club and fa is a pain in the arse.
 
If he absolutely has to play (which it seems he does) I'd rather see him as our Defensive Midfielder.

I don't think he'd be great there, but if Zlatan is really coming, then we need pace and creativity in the '3' behind him. He doesn't have the energy anymore to play box to box. So for me it's either DM or Striker.

Attacking Mid surely cannot be considered. Rooney just behind Ibrahimovic in 2006 would have been magic. Rooney just behind Ibrahimovic in 2016 would not
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If he absolutely has to play (which it seems he does) I'd rather see him as our Defensive Midfielder.

I don't think he'd be great there, but if Zlatan is really coming, then we need pace and creativity in the '3' behind him. He doesn't have the energy anymore to play box to box. So for me it's either DM or Striker.

Attacking Mid surely cannot be considered. Rooney just behind Ibrahimovic in 2006 would have been magic. Rooney just behind Ibrahimovic in 2016 would not
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So you would prefer to play a player of inferior quality to others available in one of the more important roles in the side. If rooney has to play because of some contractual obligation (which I'd not think likely) then he needs to be shoved out on the right wing and forgotten about.
 
parisite said:
So you would prefer to play a player of inferior quality to others available in one of the more important roles in the side. If rooney has to play because of some contractual obligation (which I'd not think likely) then he needs to be shoved out on the right wing and forgotten about.
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Why is DM more important than RW?
 
I think Wayne Rooney is a midfield general, in the vein of general Custard. Let's demote him to grunt and send him off to a remote outpost in China.
 
I hope the Rooney to China rumours are true. If Hulk is worth 46m then how much would we get for Rooney?
 
"Wayne Rooney the Midfield General"

Did you mean: "Wayne Rooney the Mediocre General"?

He isn't fit for the midfield, I think we've seen enough to know he cannot be the next Scholes. He doesn't have the footballing intelligence or the drive. I believe Mourinho will want to work with him for a while at least before deciding on whether to offload. The question is, what sort of changes should be made in his treatment of him? I would be glad if he gets dropped more, as his performances deserve, and that the captaincy goes to someone else (maybe juggle it between Carrick and Schweinsteiger). A captain he doesn't deserve to be, despite his club seniority. If all that doesn't shake him into playing better and serving as good competition for Ibra, Martial and Rashford, then it's probably best for us to part ways, before it gets bitter for both sides.
 
There is no way Jose will play him in midfield. He is not a midfielder.
 
Ramsey's actually a midfielder, a player who SAF obviously wanted and almost signed. Rooney was a center forward, who was shoehorned into a central midfield position, after he was pushed to the left flank to accommodate better attacking players years ago.

Ramsey outshining Rooney as a midfield player shouldn't be surprising because one is an out and out center mid, the other isn't. Simple.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Midfield General : look at Ramsey this tournament.
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Agreed. My PotT so far. Been more important for his team than any other player. All the focus is on Bale, but Ramsey is an absolute dynamo in their midfield. Him being out of the semi tips it in favour of Portugal.
 
Hope Mourinho bench him so he becomes "angry and confused" and agrees to a january transfer to a Chinese club for £60m
 
Treble said:
Guess you didn't watch England vs Iceland then. Where was Rooney?
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Rooney was poor, I admit that. However; as usual, people tend to focus on the negatives.

I also mentioned the England vs Wales game because the two players (Ramsey and Rooney) were playing, and in my opinion, Rooney come out on top.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Arsenal fans will be hoping for better from him next season or does he only show it for Wales?
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Ramsey seems to have more freedom with Wales and is playing more forward since Allen and Ledley are covering and winning the ball back for him and Bale....since his creativity and general overall skill is needed much more. With Arsenal, it's more methodical and he's part of a 3 man midfield and has to do equal share defending and offense.
 
Devil may care said:
I'm absolutely mystified by the Rooney fanboys at this point.
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It's getting ridiculous. The Euros has exposed both Rooney and Fellaini yet they their backers will fight tooth and nail for them. I would not even say it's a case of lowered standards anymore, it's just fanboys extremists!

It's almost like the support for Rooney or Fellaini is a way of saying, "I'm a better United fan because I support the "underdog".
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Arsenal fans will be hoping for better from him next season or does he only show it for Wales?
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I did say "this tournament". Still, they have every right to hope for better because he did show it at the beginning of the season (or was it last?). He has the ability to grab games by the scruff.

Walters_19_MuFc said:
Guess you didn't watch England vs Wales then. Rooney ran the game. Where was Ramsey?
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Rooney was poor, I admit that. However; as usual, people tend to focus on the negatives.

I also mentioned the England vs Wales game because the two players (Ramsey and Rooney) were playing, and in my opinion, Rooney come out on top.
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Typical Rooney fanboy-ism. Taking arguments and shoving them into isolation and using isolated evidence; taking one game and measuring it against a whole series of games where Ramsey has performed well. Just like how you boys like to cite individual or a handful of games where Rooney performed better when critics can point to vast stretches of a season or seasons.

As usual people tend to focus on the negatives? That's your defence? After admitting he was poor? Gee hope you aren't a lawyer.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
I did say "this tournament". Still, they have every right to hope for better because he did show it at the beginning of the season (or was it last?). He has the ability to grab games by the scruff.




Typical Rooney fanboy-ism. Taking arguments and shoving them into isolation and using isolated evidence; taking one game and measuring it against a whole series of games where Ramsey has performed well. Just like how you boys like to cite individual or a handful of games where Rooney performed better when critics can point to vast stretches of a season or seasons.

As usual people tend to focus on the negatives? That's your defence? After admitting he was poor? Gee hope you aren't a lawyer.
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Rooney's my favourite player. That's no secret. Maybe I am a bit biased when it comes to him, but even I can admit when he has a poor game.

Those, like yourself, who have a clear agenda against Rooney, clearly find it hard to write one single positive thing about him, even if he does have a decent game.

Instead, you always focus on the bad performances on the opposition, or the occasion of the match, etc. For example, Rooney has a good game against Russia and Wales and the agenda driven people come out in their numbers saying, it's only against Wales, Russia, etc. Or, he had too much time.

Well, Wales have just smashed Belgium, in a team that consists of Hazard, De Bruyne, Nainggolan, etc, and all of them did feck all.
 
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