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He's not going to be old Rooney anymore unfortunately. You can tell in the way he easily get's muscled off the ball these days that he is physically declining. Hopefully he can tailor his game to compensate, although without that physicality he is losing a lot of what he was, just like Gerrard. I just hope he manages the transition better.
Still, his numbers look surprisingly good.
518 appearances at senior level for England, Everton and United. That's 6 less than Andy Cole had in his entire career and Rooney has definitely started more games. Sheringham was around 33 when he hit 518. RVP has played about 50 less and Van Nistelrooy retired after 519.
He's played a ton of football. A career's worth. I wouldn't be surprised if his legs have gone.
Its not even physical for me, he just isnt as sharp in his thinking. He makes some seriously lazy passes or decisions these days. Basically, I dont think Rooney can play with a level of control he thinks he can. Rooney isnt a Zlatan or Zidane/Pirlo type of players who can glide through a game effortlessly - His technique level isnt high enough. But he seems to think he can and that's a big issue.
We need him to be back firing if we are going to get close to the title. Id still move him on next summer regardless of how the season pans out.
He's not going to play many sides as poor as Brugge, let alone 45 of themIf he plays 45 games this season, and maintains that ratio, he'll score 25. And that isn't bad.
If he plays 45 games this season, and maintains that ratio, he'll score 25. And that isn't bad.
If he plays 45 games this season, and maintains that ratio, he'll score 25. And that isn't bad.
If he plays 45 games this season, and maintains that ratio, he'll score 25. And that isn't bad.
You're not the only one. So far he's only a flat track bully. Useful, no doubt but on that basis he shouldn't start against anyone good. I wouldn't mind tbh if LvG looked like he might actually sub Rooney off for a crap performance (ie all of them this season). His touch is abysmal, he can't hold it up, doesn't look sharp when he's in the box. He also slows play up horribly. Basically if he was any other player, then he'd be lucky to be on the bench.I am a little worried that all his goals and his good performances have only come against the weakest sides we've played. As if he can no longer cut it on the level above that. Hope he can prove me wrong this week!
Great post. I agree.I quite like your posts normally mate but I think this is so overly generous it needs correcting and I'll explain why.
It's like Brendan Rodgers saying they've lost less games in all competitions than City. All well and true but when you've only just scraped past Bournemouth courtesy of huge luck, got spanked by West Ham and your arch enemies United, drawn with Norwich in a dire game and nearly exited a cup to Carlisle, it absolutely overwrites everything else. No cheap stat or hypotheses can gloss over the glaringly obvious.
Re; Rooney - the same law applies. Such performances that to call them "poor" is too kind in the majority of those games you're using as a sample does not overrule the hypothetical projection because he whooped Club Brugge upside the head and a ball bounced off his knee in a favourable direction on the weekend. He has still been absolutely awful. The lad has barely had a shot on target, offered nothing to United away from home since March 2014 and has been playing so horribly for the majority of this season that he's actually been detrimental to our attacking phases.
As a side note, let's break these same stats you've used to generate your hypothesis down a bit shall we...
I'm not trying to have a pop at you here but I just needed to put into context how grossly inflated that was. If you're using hypothesis and projections of form to justify anything good from a player, you have to acknowledge the negatives too. When it comes to Rooney since March 2014, there has been far too much to let that post slide without a response for me.
- Rooney has been bad in 6 of 8 games - 75%. For the sake of 25 hypothetical goals across all competitions, would you really take over 33 of those 45 games being anonymous and detrimental to the team to justify that?
- Then factor in where the majority of those goals have been scored. 1 in 6 appearances in the Prem so far. That equates to just under 6 and a half goals so lets be generous and say 7. Are you still saying that if Rooney misses no more league games, completes the full 37 available, you'd take 7 goals as a satisfactory return? RVP got 10 in 27 for context and was called "past it" left, right and centre. What makes Rooney immune to that?
- Now add in how 0 goals or shots on target were against Liverpool and Spurs, the toughest teams in that run. Would you carry on that hypothetical projection vs Chelsea, City and Arsenal home and away?
I quite like your posts normally mate but I think this is so overly generous it needs correcting and I'll explain why.
It's like Brendan Rodgers saying they've lost less games in all competitions than City. All well and true but when you've only just scraped past Bournemouth courtesy of huge luck, got spanked by West Ham and your arch enemies United, drawn with Norwich in a dire game and nearly exited a cup to Carlisle, it absolutely overwrites everything else. No cheap stat or hypotheses can gloss over the glaringly obvious.
Re; Rooney - the same law applies. Such performances that to call them "poor" is too kind in the majority of those games you're using as a sample does not overrule the hypothetical projection because he whooped Club Brugge upside the head and a ball bounced off his knee in a favourable direction on the weekend. He has still been absolutely awful. The lad has barely had a shot on target, offered nothing to United away from home since March 2014 and has been playing so horribly for the majority of this season that he's actually been detrimental to our attacking phases.
As a side note, let's break these same stats you've used to generate your hypothesis down a bit shall we...
I'm not trying to have a pop at you here but I just needed to put into context how grossly inflated that was. If you're using hypothesis and projections of form to justify anything good from a player, you have to acknowledge the negatives too. When it comes to Rooney since March 2014, there has been far too much to let that post slide without a response for me.
- Rooney has been bad in 6 of 8 games - 75%. For the sake of 25 hypothetical goals across all competitions, would you really take over 33 of those 45 games being anonymous and detrimental to the team to justify that?
- Then factor in where the majority of those goals have been scored. 1 in 6 appearances in the Prem so far. That equates to just under 6 and a half goals so lets be generous and say 7. Are you still saying that if Rooney misses no more league games, completes the full 37 available, you'd take 7 goals as a satisfactory return? RVP got 10 in 27 for context and was called "past it" left, right and centre. What makes Rooney immune to that?
- Now add in how 0 goals or shots on target were against Liverpool and Spurs, the toughest teams in that run. Would you carry on that hypothetical projection vs Chelsea, City and Arsenal home and away?
Did he play v Liverpool?
Wayne Rooney said:“Hopefully everyone will concentrate on me playing my football now and I’ll enjoy it.”
Wayne Rooney said:I used to love writing poems, even before I was with Coleen. I don’t know why, I used to like write little stories, too. So when I first got with Coleen, I used to write her lots of poems. They have died down a bit of late.
The boy's a poet, not a warrior. We need to rekindle that explosiveness in him, explosiveness of words.
Wayne Rooney: Man Utd forward denies transfer request in 2013
Manchester United's Wayne Rooney has admitted falling out with Sir Alex Ferguson during his final season but denies putting in a transfer request.
Rooney says he went to see Ferguson, who was United manager for 26 years, after being dropped in 2013.
"It's not just me who's had a fall-out with him," added the forward, 29, in Rooney - The Man Behind The Goals, to be shown on BBC One on 5 October.
"I don't know what happened or why that came out that way."
The England captain added: "I went in to see him and just said if you're not going to play me it might be better if I moved on - then all of a sudden it's all over the press I put in a transfer request, which I never did."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34389171
Without a doubt, we were probably going to get Ronaldo as a replacement due to Valencia giving away the number 7 and how Jose was at that timeHe handed it in. I still think if Ferguson had stayed he'd of been sold.
"I went in to see him and just said if you're not going to play me it might be better if I moved on...
He handed it in. I still think if Ferguson had stayed he'd of been sold.
Wayne Rooney: Man Utd forward denies transfer request in 2013
Manchester United's Wayne Rooney has admitted falling out with Sir Alex Ferguson during his final season but denies putting in a transfer request.
Rooney says he went to see Ferguson, who was United manager for 26 years, after being dropped in 2013.
"It's not just me who's had a fall-out with him," added the forward, 29, in Rooney - The Man Behind The Goals, to be shown on BBC One on 5 October.
"I don't know what happened or why that came out that way."
The England captain added: "I went in to see him and just said if you're not going to play me it might be better if I moved on - then all of a sudden it's all over the press I put in a transfer request, which I never did."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34389171
Yes Wayne, inexplicable isn't it that if you threaten to leave people might think you want to leave.
He should just shut it rather than bringing it all back out in the open again. He played the big bollocks and you don't do that against Fergie, no one gives a toss if a formal transfer request wasn't handed in.
Really hoping he kicks on from his goal. For too long he's got away with his poor form because intermittently he's had a few good games. He's our highest paid player (I think) and his form needs to reflect it.
I would agree, he surely wouldn't be stupid to go through all that officially twice. plus adds to the theory Fergie was done with himI think his version of events is probably truthful. But, as Brendan Rodgers is finding, it's not words but performances that gets the fans onside again.
He was dropped for one game. If his reason for thinking he should leave was because he fell out with Alex Ferguson then how do you explain his being an arse at the start of the next season?To be fair a private conversation isn't an official transfer request. 2013 was of a different ilk to the previous contract disputes. Many were questioning his place in team and a lot of fans would have supported selling him, just like today. Rooney was well within his rights to think about moving on if he felt his place in the team was gone.
I will gladly take 25 goals from a finished Rooney (as most people have branded him).
We had dross upfront last season (Rooney incl.) and we came 4th, 25 goals from Rooney might help us win a major trophy, especially if you're willing to consider the likes of Mata,Martial and Memphis and what they have to bring to the table this season.
Don't care about his performances at this point, if he keeps on scoring. Not like he will win over the fans with performances anyway, that ship has obviously sailed.
He was dropped for one game. If his reason for thinking he should leave was because he fell out with Alex Ferguson then how do you explain his being an arse at the start of the next season?
He was still acting a dick after Alex Ferguson had left.Nothing wrong with players wanting to leave the club. Ronaldo and more have courted other clubs publicly. Rooney had a private conversation with Ferguson, he didn't hand in a public request to leave the club, that's what he is referring to in the interview. It may have been one game but the general consensus here is that Fergie would've gotten rid of him if he stayed on as manager. Maybe this is something Rooney could see coming at the time too. Look he deserves flak for a lot of things, his form included but there is nothing wrong with a player having a private chat with his manager about his future. It's getting tiresome him being shot at for every little thing he does at this stage. Want to complain about how he is playing that's perfectly fine but going into every bloody thread and seeing references to him all over the place is ridiculous. They guy wasn't the first and won't be the last player to do these things at the club but the difference with him is that he's still here. In fact you want t talk about loyalty then look through this thread and tell me where the loyalty is for a guy who has given us his entire careere, been a huge part is winning countless trophies and is on course for breaking the goalscoring record. This is a guy who in his prime (I consider his peak to be earlier in his career, looks as if his legs have gone prematurely at the minute) watched Ronaldo, Tevez and the likes leave and be replaced with far inferior players but he kept giving his all for us through this time. Fans want loyalty when it suits them simple as. Most here can't wait to get him out of this club so where's the difference in Rooney wanting to leave?
He was still acting a dick after Alex Ferguson had left.
Rooney would show no loyalty to us the moment we were incapable of matching the level he wanted to play at or the money he wanted. He's brought the criticism on himself.
I will gladly take 25 goals from a finished Rooney (as most people have branded him).
We had dross upfront last season (Rooney incl.) and we came 4th, 25 goals from Rooney might help us win a major trophy, especially if you're willing to consider the likes of Mata,Martial and Memphis and what they have to bring to the table this season.
Don't care about his performances at this point, if he keeps on scoring. Not like he will win over the fans with performances anyway, that ship has obviously sailed.
