I agree mate, I was just trying to appease the Rooney fanboys by admitting that he is capable of world class moments. Maybe a better explanation would have been 'On his top level, which comes around once every 10 games or so in the previous two seasons or when close to a possible contract renewal, he is world class.
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I agree mate, I was just trying to appease the Rooney fanboys by admitting that he is capable of world class moments. Maybe a better explanation would have been 'On his top level, which comes around once every 10 games or so in the previous two seasons or when close to a possible contract renewal, he is world class.
'I've had one bad game this season and every ones all over it' 
What a disappointing statement. He's got no self-awareness I don't think...and still he will be shoehorned into the team if he can't cut it in his current position.
Just think about this - Memphis scores 2 goals and gets an assist, yet he's disappointed as hell not to have done better. Compare that attitude to what Rooney is saying here.
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What a disappointing statement. He's got no self-awareness I don't think...and still he will be shoehorned into the team if he can't cut it in his current position.
Just think about this - Memphis scores 2 goals and gets an assist, yet he's disappointed as hell not to have done better. Compare that attitude to what Rooney is saying here.
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well he got subsituted when we needed a goal....ill take that as some sort of progress on lvg's part
He hasn't had one good game. Hopefully he does on Saturday.
So Rooney is critisized for understanding the criticism he's received an admitted he's been below par.
I'm done.
I'm done.
basically he will be critized continuosly while he's playing bad. That's fair and square.
We give extra leeway and patience to players who knuckle down and keep their head down and work hard, I personally believe if Wayne didn't critized us for wanting of a better contract he deserves that extra loyalty and patience from the fans, but the day he crossed the line he's just a well paid players in my eyes, and he better perform or out.
He didn't hesitate using that line with us before "match my ambition or i'm gone", time to return the favor, and it's not even vengeful, it's just how professional work. You perform we pay, you no perform we no pay
LOL. This thread is quite hilarious, it has almost become a fashion statement to veil the credit for Rooney with just the right amount of negativity so as not to be hunted down and hung as some sort of Rooney lover. Jesus christ he had a pretty good game and we still have people trying in desperation to paint him as eternally shit. I don't think I will ever understand it, fans of your own club who have more desire to hope a player is shit than enjoy when a player is not.
I now have no idea what it will be like if Rooney returns to some sort of vein of form. People won't know what to do with themselves.
And with that, goes your credibility in this thread.
That isn't what I'm referring to though. People are critisizing THE WAY he discussed how low standards this season.
The guy can't win.
He can win if he wants, just perform and there's nothing to critize him. That's all he can do.
He critized us for not even a bad season don't he?
And all he can do right now is accept the critisizm, while he can't play (the game is Saturday, can't show himself until then). Which he has done.
Fine, critisize his performances so far. That's perfectly fine. But surely you see what I'm saying here. People are being negative at Rooney FOR his quotes about accepting critisizm.
It's like a dog grabbing the newspaper off the floor, carrying it in his mouth, bringing it to his owner to read, and then gets a bollocking for getting slobber all over the paper.
I wouldn't say there's no personal bias against Rooney, there's absolutely some sort of bias taking part. But he's at a point where there's little defence left, he is playing that bad, and bias or no bias there's no denying that he has been shit in that 2 games.
Football fans are just humans, there are players like Anderson that people love and they keep on having that favoritism (up to a point) in judging him, ditto with almost every one of our players, Rooney just take more flak because of the contract fiasco. Right or wrong is another debate, but yeah... i supposed none of us can be 100% non-bias in judging his performance.
He was poor against Spurs (like everyone else was) and was awful against Villa - wasn't great against Brugge, but I didn't think he was bad either. I'm glad he has admitted that he was poor - if he knows this can works harder to make things happens, that's all that I want. We've all seen what he can do - so if he can turn it around, I'd be delighted. As many have said, it's not always easy playing as a lone striker.
"One bad game?" he's been wank since the 3-0 Tottenham win, that's like 15 games and at least 3-4 of those performances would embarrass even a Sunday league player. Yet the fanbois will tell you that he gets criticized only because he's Wayne Rooney...
The funny thing is that people don't even have high expectations of him, just look at Tuesday's game, his performance was average at best but people were generally pleased, or at least they were not displeased.
The funny thing is that people don't even have high expectations of him, just look at Tuesday's game, his performance was average at best but people were generally pleased, or at least they were not displeased.
He hasn't scored in 8 games, and not an away goal in like 16? If that's the striker who's supposed to fire us to titles then I do worry. He's obviously been a legend for us over the years but it really is a big season for him. If he's average again this season we definitely need to move him on I think.
At least the myth he's undropable has been busted.
Yeah, that great touch, just like Falcao's great touch against Sunderland
He's been below par for ages, good to see he's acknowledged some of it. except it's been a lot more than just 1 game Wayne.
He was really poor towards the end of last season too, even when we went on that great run he was pretty awful for most of it. Especially at Anfield where he put in his typical shite Anfield performance.
It's definitely more than just one bad game. I'd hope privately he knows that.
It's definitely more than just one bad game. I'd hope privately he knows that.
You're really going to compare 29 year old Rooney performances to an 18-21 year old kid and an aged 34 year old who underwent hip surgery to defend Rooney here?
From 27-29 Roy Keane was putting up constant 8s and 9s in performances and I don't need to tell you what Ronaldo has done recently either.
Also, Keane held the club up to ransom over his wages over that time period, and you didn't see many complain because we all thought he was worth every penny for what he brought to the team. Personally for me, there's no vendetta against Rooney for his contract dispute. Or there wouldn't be, if he wasn't so bloody inconsistent and below par.
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No one would bring up his wages if he was playing well..Messi and Ronaldo are on ridiculous wages too..but no one hardly ever mentions that..its the wage relative to the perfomance that brings up the complaint
You must be kidding, mate. I pretty much gave up posting any serious criticism of Rooney because of the utterly inevitable backlash, ranging from 'You obviously know nothing about football' to 'How dare you disrespect our captain, talisman, hero etc etc!' Until very recently, the 'hunt' has been directed towards Rooney's critics, not his defenders.
Its gotten better now..but you still get the random poster bringing up stats from 5 years ago on why his perfomance in the last game isnt so bad..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-vs-Club-Brugge-Five-things-we-learned.html
Think this article nails it for me, he just doesn't have the intelligence to be able to play a specific position and too often is too far from where he should be when a cross or pass comes into the box.
Which game was he dropped for?
He was subbed vs Brugge, that's what I meant.
Those are obviously not the same thing
It is a positive sign though that Van Gaal will at least bring him off. When he actually doesn't start because of his form then that myth is busted.He wasn't great for most of SAF's last season. He was poor during Moyes' reign. He was mediocre to poor (mainly poor) in LvG's first season. We've had 3 years of his apathetic performances. It's time to move him on, the sooner the better, and reinvest that money in a Lewandowski, or Benzema.
He is like Gerrard in his last couple of seasons for Liverpool.
He is like Gerrard in his last couple of seasons for Liverpool.
Ok but I think people seriously thought LVG will never sub Rooney even if he's playing poorly.Those are obviously not the same thing
Credit to him for fronting up to his critics. I think he knew that the Villa performance had crossed a line as a new level of poor, and had to be acknowledged.
It is perhaps a bit concerning that he feels that other than the Villa game, his performances have generally been up to standard though. If he feels the way he played at the back end of last season was fine, or so far this season, I struggle to see how he expects that to be good enough to deliver on his target of 20+ goals. It is a period that has not only yielded no goals, but very, very few attempts either. Some of that could be put down to creativity perhaps, but this period also coincided with our much talked about return to form and attacking zest, so he could perhaps have done better.
He'll get his 16 or so this season, I have little doubt. He's no 25 goal striker though.
It is perhaps a bit concerning that he feels that other than the Villa game, his performances have generally been up to standard though. If he feels the way he played at the back end of last season was fine, or so far this season, I struggle to see how he expects that to be good enough to deliver on his target of 20+ goals. It is a period that has not only yielded no goals, but very, very few attempts either. Some of that could be put down to creativity perhaps, but this period also coincided with our much talked about return to form and attacking zest, so he could perhaps have done better.
He'll get his 16 or so this season, I have little doubt. He's no 25 goal striker though.
Ok, fair points. So Rooney being 19 goals off being United's all time goal scorer at 29, in potentially 200+ games quicker than Charlton doesn't buy him any sympathy / patience? Staying at the club when Ferguson simply had no intent of improving the squad with any signings of substance doesn't buy him a little bit of understanding? We all know he's capable, its two games into the season, he was our top scorer last year and played anywhere the manager asked him. To jump on his back for not playing at 100% every game is unfair. And I'd say that for any of United's players.
Definitely. I think the difference this season is his perceived lack of goals (i say perceived because the season is only a few games old) means he's more vulnerable to criticism now.
Those of us who have been critical of him in the past have often bemoaned his all round plays, even with the goals he's scored. An Arsenal supporting friend of mine who doesn't watch United often wondered why I was complaining about Rooney when he was on the score sheets every other week.
I still think he'll score his minimum share of goals and that's good enough for me until he leaves the club.
I know I said I didn't have a vendetta against Rooney for his contract dispute, but after that first contract dispute, sentimentality plays no part in my views on him as a Manchester United player. We pay him top dollar so he has to provide top performances, as far as I'm concerned.
He scored that wonder goal vs City just after the contract dispute was settled and all I thought of when celebrating was "yeah, for questioning Fergie's and the club's ambitions and earning how much you're earning, that's the least you can do you cnut."
It's taken a bit of enjoyment out for me personally to be honest, and I quite resent him for that.
People might say I'm being precious and so on, but I grew up watching people like the Nevilles and Scholes etc, players who are United through and through, who have no agents, etc so I'm inclined to feel a certain way about the club.
So no, sentimentality doesn't play a part in how I'm judging Wayne Rooney.
Charlton was a midfielder though..so the 200 games thing is contentious at best..a fairer comparison would be perhaps RVN in the modern era, who had 150 goals in 219 games ..His goal tally is very good though, but we arent judging him on that here..we are judging him on the here and now..Rooney has perfomed like what one would expect from a United striker in the past, and that has been appreciated..He is not performing at all like one now..and for that is not good for the club...I think the club's ambition should come first..and thats what most people's concern will rightly be...
I think a while back there was a fairly similar article about him under Moyes. They also critiqued that Rooney was always getting in the way while trying to do the job of everyone else on the field. Another thing is that I remember RvP not too long ago was complaining about the fact that there was always someone getting into the space that he was used to playing and while he didn't name Rooney I'm pretty sure he was meant, considering that they had to form some sort of striker partnership. That btw was another thing I saw pointed out in a very good article, that Rooney was incapable of forming a good partnership with any of the strikers on the team, not with RvP, not with Chicharito and not with Falcao.
I know Rooney has been a long time servant here and deserves a lot of respect for it but if he is the one holding us back from having some fluid attacking play again because he is constantly getting in the way of things and trying to do everything by himself we need to consider dropping him even though he is our captain.
Rooney is a hinder to us. Simple as that.
The fact that he is "captain" and is undroppable will stop us playing the formation(s) we NEED to be playing.
He isn't good enough as a striker and he isn't good enough in the #10 role, yet he will definitely be in one of those positions for the forthcoming future.
I don't mean to be harsh, but a long-term injury would be a blessing in disguise. It's practically the only way he will be out the team as Van Gaal is too stubborn to go back on his word.
The fact that he is "captain" and is undroppable will stop us playing the formation(s) we NEED to be playing.
He isn't good enough as a striker and he isn't good enough in the #10 role, yet he will definitely be in one of those positions for the forthcoming future.
I don't mean to be harsh, but a long-term injury would be a blessing in disguise. It's practically the only way he will be out the team as Van Gaal is too stubborn to go back on his word.
I dont really rate him, but it remains to be seen if Chicha (looked lively) or Wilson are any better.
One bad game ? Probably just a political statement but if he really believe that, he's fecked .
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