Yeh in general that is one of the areas where Rooney is either good or shocking for me there's no in between, but the last two games I would say have leaned more towards the good.
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We are where we are because for three years we expect people like Valencia to create our goals. Valencia has 8 assists in last three seasons and yet some here are happy with our tactics to hoof it to Valencia. Amazing! On par with people who were for Valencia Young combo on wings just few months ago.
Valencia is good outlet to carry the ball to oppossition half and keep the possession but passing it to him anywhere near the final third and expecting him to create something gotta be one of the most ineffective tactics ever. We have Martial on the left, Rooney, Mata and Rashford through the middle but yet somehow the better way to create something is to play it to Valencia, player who refused to score a goal in both last two games.
Btw this is slightly offtopic, so my bad.
Valencia is good outlet to carry the ball to oppossition half and keep the possession but passing it to him anywhere near the final third and expecting him to create something gotta be one of the most ineffective tactics ever. We have Martial on the left, Rooney, Mata and Rashford through the middle but yet somehow the better way to create something is to play it to Valencia, player who refused to score a goal in both last two games.
Btw this is slightly offtopic, so my bad.
If he is posting bitter garbage, then you praising Rooney for hypothetical situations where he wields the power to choose his own place in the team, where he plays and who else plays as maturity on his part is what exactly?
We're obviously not going to agree very much on these matters, mate. I'm often wrong about football topics anyway - for example, I would've sold Carrick years ago.
We've won thanks to an own goal and defender scoring screamer. Not Martial, Rashford, Lingard or Mata did anything better than Rooney tonight, yet it's Rooney who's getting most criticism. CP played like they've on training pitch but neither of our attackers managed to score a single goal, let's blame Rooney for that as well.
While only through ball to Rashford came from Rooney after his unmarked run through the middle of the pitch in second half which he missed, how's that?
I know everyone loves to mention that Rooney can only ping it to Valencia but he also played a really good ball into Rashford's path which, unsurprisingly, has been forgotten. If blogger boy did that, everyone would be praising him.
You're comparing Rooney to a 18 year old who was playing for the U18's at the start of the season? Well done.
To be fair, he's the only one that did try and force the issue with his passing. Sometimes we can be guilty of playing it too safe, which is why we create very few chances.
Mata, Martial and Lingard are all 18y old also?
And what about through ball to Rashford (who I don't blame for missing in case you though I was), you'll ignore that since it proves you wrong?
Good to know Ivaldo is an exception to the rule.
FWIW I thought he played poor-average too. And he deserves to be judged harsher than Lingard and Martial for sure.
I thought the few spells of decent (not necessarily effective) football we had were made by Rashford, Mata and Lingard playing short smart passes/backheels.
Rooney had a few good and few bad balls to the wight wing, and 1 good ball for Rashford. My stream wasn't the best but I can't remember anything else noteworthy.
Not one of them did anything of note, that's the point, they were all average or just above average yet it's Rooney who gets most critisicm while for the rest of them there's always some kind of excuse.
No, I also didn't mention Rashford's superb backheel or Martial run and cutback (which inexplicably resulted in a goalkick) either, nor several passes from Daley Blind or Valencia pass from the outside of his boot that put Rashford in. The fact Rooney could jog, not run, jog 40 yards without coming under any pressure tells you a lot, it was a decent pass, but I'd expect every United player bar Smalling to be able to make that pass from our starting XI. You're bigging it up as some kind of wonder pass, you're clutching at straws, go back and actually watch it, it really isn't anything special. This was the minium we expect from Martial and Rashford (I don't rate Lingard), that was one of Rooneys best performances this season and it's on bar with the minimum we expect from two players who will still be eligible for the U21's for at least another year.
As much as you want it to be true I hadn't said any of the players had a brilliant game, it was an average game for them, hence why I'm not praising them? How low has your criteria of a 'good game' fallen for Rooney?
Did I say it was special or that it was wonder pass? You've mentioned Rooney wouldn't notice him, but that pass proves you wrong whether you like it or not. Stop making things up just to fit your agenda.
Martial and Rashford are eligible for U21 for at least another year, what's the point of that? When are we allowed to compare them with other players? They play for the first team and are considered as our most promising attackers, so why not compare them with others, it's not like we're talking about some fringe players who play sporadically.
Rooney is finished as top player, it's clear as day, but he had good game yesterday. Not great, not brilliant, not something you'll rembemer in years time, but good, meaning he did his job. Don't be so negative and bitter, relax man, you'll get yourself heart attack because of Rooney and whether he's had good or bad game
The bolded part made me chuckle, did you not read what you wrote!!?Did I say it was special or that it was wonder pass? You've mentioned Rooney wouldn't notice him, but that pass proves you wrong whether you like it or not. Stop making things up just to fit your agenda.
Martial and Rashford are eligible for U21 for at least another year, what's the point of that? When are we allowed to compare them with other players? They play for the first team and are considered as our most promising attackers, so why not compare them with others, it's not like we're talking about some fringe players who play sporadically.
Rooney is finished as top player, it's clear as day, but he had good game yesterday. Not great, not brilliant, not something you'll rembemer in years time, but good, meaning he did his job. Don't be so negative and bitter, relax man, you'll get yourself heart attack because of Rooney and whether he's had good or bad game
The fact you've taken that first paragraph literally is a little ridiculous, but if you want to get pedantic he was the only person ahead of him so he had no other choice but to play the blindingly obvious pass. You've mentioned the pass on several occasions, you clearly think it's something special or you wouldn't put such emphasis on it, sad your standards have stopped so low really.
Because these two players haven't fully developed yet, infact there's plenty here arguing quite credibly that they shouldn't realistically be starting regulars in a United side, yet our £300k a week striker is being compared to them to state he had a good game, again, where are your standards at with him man? That wasn't a 'good game', it was stupendously average.
Would you compare Ronaldo and Jese even if they share the same pitch? NO! Why? Expectations are higher and rightly so. Over in La Liga, there is commotion when either one of the big players go on a run of 5 games without a goal but at United, our so called talisman can go 3 months with no goals but it's kinda cool. This is why we are where we are. Fans don't have the bottle to criticise or question our so called big names / talisman.
If we can't be expecting Rooney to be putting on superior performances on a very regular basis let alone when compared with the likes of Lingard, Memphis, Martial et al, then why are we complaining about LvG?
If those lads put in a 5/10 on a weekly basis, I want to see at least a 6.5/10 from captain sir knight admiral Rooney. Standard.
If we can't be expecting Rooney to be putting on superior performances on a very regular basis let alone when compared with the likes of Lingard, Memphis, Martial et al, then why are we complaining about LvG?
If those lads put in a 5/10 on a weekly basis, I want to see at least a 6.5/10 from captain sir knight admiral Rooney. Standard.
Again, I've mentioned that pass just to prove your agenda wrong since you've tried to make Rooney as someone who can't see Rashford even if he stands infront of him which isn't true. He played him in nice chance, it wasn't anything special or glamorous and no matter how obvious it was it did happen, so your 'Rooney wouldn't notice Rashford' theme just won't stand. Stop making things up, that's why you sound bitter.
Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Mata are players who, alongside Rooney, play attacking positions at United. Who should we compare Rooney with, defensive midfielders perhaps? If you take into consideration that no one from attacking players did anything of note, besides fancy flicks, then all had pretty average game, but it's Rooney who gets singled out.
That is to be expected in the Rooney thread.
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Yet it happend even when he had really good games this season (not too many I know).
I'm not a fan, but he's done well in these last 2 games.
He gets singled out because he earns similar money to messi and ronaldo but produces nothing like what they do to say the least, he is championed among the English media as some kind of marquee player when he is anything but, his position at the club benefited from circumstance, changes in manager, moyes gave him a ridiculous contract, then LVG made him captain, said it before, SAF had him gone, had SAF not retired Rooney was leaving, simple as that, there was no better judge than SAF to notice when to move on a big player.
I'm happy to see him in midfield. I know it's far from Rooney at his peak but I think we're better off with him there as we've got other players that offer more behind the striker or as a striker and he is our best option right now in midfield with Schweinsteiger injured. Much better player than Fellaini and a better partner to Schneiderlin than Carrick.
His long balls to the flanks is probably his biggest asset in the role because it allows us to transition to attack more quickly than before. A Scholes-lite.
His long balls to the flanks is probably his biggest asset in the role because it allows us to transition to attack more quickly than before. A Scholes-lite.
Not sure he offers more than Carrick in midfield at all. And that's coming from someone who thinks we should be letting Carrick go after this season. What I would say is that he has less of a potential to slow down our attacks or be the focal point of everything in the final third when he's in a two man midfield. It won't do against better teams though. And Scholes, well, let's call it how it is: Scholes wasn't fast, but you could not harass him off the ball, he could pass both feet, he had vision, and was never uncomfortable in possession. I feel Rooney plays it safe and looks like the one player in our team opposition players could actually win the ball from. I actually think he's shown too much respect by opposition players. It won't last long.
I disagree with a lot of it. Rooney isn't a holding midfielder like Carrick and therefor there's better balance with him partnering Schneiderlin. I just don't like the Carrick-Schneiderlin at all and I think it's only been used as a necessity this season.
Rooney isn't easily bullied off the ball and he's got a better head than most of our players. He's a lot better than any of our midfielders inside the box and he's more dangerous with the ball outside the box. Our goal against Villa is something we haven't seen this season but it wasn't uncommon when Scholes was playing.
I don't like him up top and I think he's better than what we currently have available to us in midfield so I think we should continue to play him there.
the only role i can think of for rooney right now is as an advanced midfielder in a 3 man midfield (more of a no.10 role then i supposed).
we got rashford now, maybe and should bring in a top striker that can get us 20 league goals next season. no way rooney is going to be our CF. he doesn't have the pace to be a wing forward, and we got martial, lingard, memphis and hopefully a new signing there as well.
we got rashford now, maybe and should bring in a top striker that can get us 20 league goals next season. no way rooney is going to be our CF. he doesn't have the pace to be a wing forward, and we got martial, lingard, memphis and hopefully a new signing there as well.
Tbf apart from DDG, Smalling, Shaw and Martial (with Rashford as youngster) no one in this squad contributes enough if judging by previous United high standards or nowdays Cristiano/Messi performances. The rest of the squad plays well beneath what is expected from United player, and it's not like they've been playing for free out of love for United while Rooney is only one on high wages. Also I agree with what you said, and he should be moved this summer, but we should ship almost whole first team with him as well except for above mentioned players.
The bolded part made me chuckle, did you not read what you wrote!!?Did I say it was special or that it was wonder pass? You've mentioned Rooney wouldn't notice him, but that pass proves you wrong whether you like it or not. Stop making things up just to fit your agenda.
Martial and Rashford are eligible for U21 for at least another year, what's the point of that? When are we allowed to compare them with other players? They play for the first team and are considered as our most promising attackers, so why not compare them with others, it's not like we're talking about some fringe players who play sporadically.
Rooney is finished as top player, it's clear as day, but he had good game yesterday. Not great, not brilliant, not something you'll rembemer in years time, but good, meaning he did his job. Don't be so negative and bitter, relax man, you'll get yourself heart attack because of Rooney and whether he's had good or bad game
The fact you've taken that first paragraph literally is a little ridiculous, but if you want to get pedantic he was the only person ahead of him so he had no other choice but to play the blindingly obvious pass. You've mentioned the pass on several occasions, you clearly think it's something special or you wouldn't put such emphasis on it, sad your standards have stopped so low really.
Because these two players haven't fully developed yet, infact there's plenty here arguing quite credibly that they shouldn't realistically be starting regulars in a United side, yet our £300k a week striker is being compared to them to state he had a good game, again, where are your standards at with him man? That wasn't a 'good game', it was stupendously average.
Well done on ignoring my second paragraph entirely, kudos. To repeat myself, don't take everything you read other Internet literally, it's not good for your health.
Using the words 'bitter' and 'agenda', could've added 'haterz gonna hate' while you were at it. being a United fan, what would I be bitter about exactly, I'd like specifics please. And agenda? What's my agenda against Rooney? Id be over the moon if he was scoring 40 goals a season and putting in regularly man of the match performances, but he's not. You seem to be getting very upset that someone else has a differing opinion to you over a player.
Who do you compare Rooney to when he's playing in midfield, how about, I don't know, midfielders? Crazy I know. He is getting singled out, by the likes of you for having an average game for passing the ball sideways for 90 minutes.
He is posting bitter garbage. Also so what if I want to praise Rooney? There was a thread on here asking who would be dropped and a lot of people were saying Rashford and that probably would have been the right move in terms of stature. Rooney is still the captain and Van Gaal has also said they discussed the team selection and how Rooney would return to the team and get enough minutes. So far it has been at the expense of Lingard and then at the expense of rotating Fellaini/Herrera. Not Rashford, I don't really think it is out of this world to make a connection between the gaff and Rooney sorting out to keep Rashford up front. It also goes with Rooney's versatility and persona. I've also made no secret that it is purely speculative.
Ignoring, like you've done several times about being wrong with his pass to Rashford?
So what about Mata or Morgan, both played even safer choice of passes, for what is worth Rooney at least tried to switch play or do something other then only passing to the first player besides him.
I don't mind others having different opinion from mine, but making things up or overlooking positive things just to fit in your opinion, well that just doesn't suit me.
People in the media said he was like Scholes in midfield the other night
Laughable.....Maybe Scholes when he was 38 or whatever
Laughable.....Maybe Scholes when he was 38 or whatever
Most PL midfielders would be chuffed to be compared to a 38yo Scholes! Let alone Wayne Rooney!People in the media said he was like Scholes in midfield the other night
Laughable.....Maybe Scholes when he was 38 or whatever
You really aren't reading are you? I 'ignored' your point about Rooneys pass yet you've already agreed with me it wasn't that special?
[QUOTE="Black Adder] He played him in nice chance, it wasn't anything special or glamorous [/QUOTE]How very odd you were able to respond to something I apparently didn't say/ignored.
No, Mata or Schneiderlin didn't have particularly great games either, that's why they aren't be praised? Have you been over to their threads lately? They get more than their fair share of criticism mate. But no sorry, it's just poor old Rooney who gets unfairly treated. Unbelievable.
think i'd look like Scholes playing against Palace considering the space they gave usPeople in the media said he was like Scholes in midfield the other night
Laughable.....Maybe Scholes when he was 38 or whatever
It takes one good(or above average) match for Rooney in the midfield position for Scholes comparisons to comeback.
You're posting the praise and then trying to shut down someone that sees it another way by calling it bitter garbage. You're so desperate to praise him that you're using speculation to praise him for doing something that he should have no say in. No player should have a say in team selection or whether or not another player is given enough minutes, especially when said player has proven to be self absorbed in the past and his form has been for the most part completely woeful.
"Eeeehhhh boss drop this guy for me instead. Eeeehhhh."
"Eesh very mature of you Wayne to choose Lingard inshtead of Rashford. You are brave like me, yesh?"
"Eeeehhhh. Yeah?"
"Yesh"
He is the captain. Every captain in the history of football has had a voice where team selection is concerned. Van Gaal himself even confirmed that they spoke about it in his press conference.
I also have no idea what those quotes mean. So okay then.
You're speculating again in order to defend one player being given too much sway.
No, I am not. Although I did set you up with a delicious opportunity to throw the boot into Rooney with this quote.
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