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Black Adder said:
If only was that simple.

Truth is that this team generally lack confidence and direction, Rooney plays his part by being really ineffective, but since there's no movement around him what do you expect of him, to stay up front and wait for the long ball galore like we've seen in some matches?

Neither is he good enough anymore to lead the line, neither are the rest of the players (apart from Martial) good enough in creating anything positive in final third.

Imagine Martial up-front by himself waiting for something to happen while Depay, Lingard and Mata dick around the centre of the pitch, and when he finally gets the ball there's no one in support and he's being crowded.
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Sometimes it really is that 'simple' though.

We're not expecting Rooney to dribble deep from 40 yards and take 2-3 players with him but you should expect good hold up play and ability to keep ball/hold position. Look at Defoe being older and half the size of Smalling yet giving him a hard time with his back to the goal.

It's those intangible things that gives more confidence to yourself and your teammates to play more progressive football. Intangible things like:

1) 'oh there's Wazza, I'll play this one-two with him and 7 out of 10 times I will get a decent ball back', or

2) 'oh there's Wazza, I'll zip this ball to his feet, maybe he can turn and play a pass or make a shot, then I can run past him and create space (for him or myself)', or

3) 'oh look Wazza is in midfield, I'll dash pass him and expect a ball through the middle (the most direct way to goal)', or

4) 'oh look Wazza is dashing from up front to the channel (therefore dragging a defender with him/creating space) so it frees space for me or others to run into'

etc etc.

Yet we all know those things don't happen, he doesn't play effective direct football himself and as the focal point of our attack he effectively blunts our entire line because he also chooses to get involved in everything too.

He is trash right now and there's no denying that. He needs to go regardless and absolutely deserves the criticism regardless of how he compares to his current team mates (at least they can say they have potential/haven't had 2 solid years of turd performances).

If he could do those things I've mentioned I'd guarantee the performances of all our other players would improve. Look at Mata's decent but ineffective performance (in the 2nd half) today. If we had 11 performances like that we wouldn't be much better but we would definitely be better and that would be progress.

Rooney is a streaky player and he doesn't have a consistent set of tangibles or the mental strength/discipline to be able to give his team mates confidence or something to build from.

His top level is world class but unfortunately his bottom level is Sunday league and thus his average is not Utd worthy.
 
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Very strange to give up on top 4 so soon. Guess the players have lost faith just like we have which makes it even more baffling that LVG still has the job.
 
criticalanalysis said:
Sometimes it really is that 'simple' though.

We're not expecting Rooney to dribble deep from 40 yards and take 2-3 players with him but you should expect good hold up play and ability to keep ball/hold position. Look at Defoe being older and half the size of Smalling yet giving him a hard time with his back to the goal.

It's those intangible things that gives more confidence to yourself and your teammates to play more progressive football. Intangible things like:

1) 'oh there's Wazza, I'll play this one-two with him and 7 out of 10 times I will get a decent ball back', or

2) 'oh there's Wazza, I'll zip this ball to his feet, maybe he can turn and play a pass or make a shot, then I can run past him and create space (for him or myself)', or

3) 'oh look Wazza is in midfield, I'll dash pass him and expect a ball through the middle (the most direct way to goal)', or

4) 'oh look Wazza is dashing from up front to the channel (therefore dragging a defender with him/creating space) so it frees space for me or others to run into'

etc etc.

Yet we all know those things don't happen, he doesn't play effective direct football himself and as the focal point of our attack he effectively blunts our entire line because he also chooses to get involved in everything too.

He is trash right now and there's no denying that. He needs to go regardless and absolutely deserves the criticism regardless of how he compares to his current team mates (at least they can say they have potential/haven't had 2 solid years of turd performances).

If he could do those things I've mentioned I'd guarantee the performances of all our other players would improve. Look at Mata's decent but ineffective performance (in the 2nd half) today. If we had 11 performances like that we wouldn't be much better but we would definitely be better and that would be progress.

Rooney is a streaky player and he doesn't have a consistent set of tangibles or the mental strength/discipline to be able to give his team mates confidence or something to build from.

His top level is world class but unfortunately his bottom level is Sunday league and thus his average is not Utd worthy.
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You're not wrong, it would be brilliant if he had a world class player up-front who's capable of bringing others in the play.

But how can you expect from one player to lift whole team performances when other players in our team play with fear from making mistakes and with zero confidence?

It works both ways, you need proper world class player up-front who's able to bring others into the play, but you also need from other players to stretch the play not just pass ball around without proper movement.

IMO Rooney is passed it, but you could put anyone else up-front atm and it still wouldn't make a difference since our whole team set-up is wrong (hello LVG).

He deserves criticism for his play, but so do others, and mostly our "brilliant" manager since there are too many players in this team that don't play even close to their true potential (Depay, Herrera, Mata, Morgan, Bastian, etc.) who aren't all on decline like Rooney is.
 
sammsky1 said:
Can't blame Rooney today

He was feeding off scraps. He has not been great this year but a striker needs chances to score goals and as the tip of our arrow, he's getting no service whatsoever.
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He had chance early on and it was a good chance to score, he just waited for the ball to come down and it was a mistake, most of the strikers would hit it midair, as for the overall performance you'd expect he can make a single successful pass to his teammates, can control a football and hold the ball up front a bit, the game missed him which is also partially his mistake, he cant make runs what other players do however he cant be excused for his lack of very basic skills footballer should have. Once again by far the worst player on the pitch. Should be out of the club post Fergie. He declined to championship level at best, let alone his doing captain for the biggest club in the world.. If he didnt have such big name on the back of his jersey he would be sold many years ago...

the most annoying thingto me is how indulgent media and commentators are to him, horrible performance after horrible one and he's praised for very basic things I mentioned should be granted and they never talk about how he screwed this and that rather give attention to other players like yesterday when Love made a good run and rooney simply fecked the pass to him and they were debating how Love was slowed down by a defender... FFS! Really sick of this shit, sick of him and like some others here mentioned, players might still believe he's capable of things and automatically see him on the pitch but the fact is he's just unable to make anything happen he's done and unless they figure out this and we finally kick his arse out of this club we will not win anything. Dont wanna use words like cancer but he's like that, unless he's gone we will depend on him on an off the pitch. If Van Gaal realized he's shit and bought a decent striker instead of relying on him we would have been much better this season.

Hopefully China/MLS clubs will come for him asap because I am sick everytime I see this done player wearing the red jersey with the armband..
 
Feed Me said:
I actually think he's been unfairly pilloried after yesterday's game. Looked quite sharp.
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I haven't heard of a sharp centre forward who can't beat defenders, offers no hold-up play and no pace up front. Besides, he messed up the chance he had immediately after Sunderland's first goal. He was rubbish for a star forward. Nowadays he struggles to outperform Defoe.
 
Treble said:
I haven't heard of a sharp centre forward who can't beat defenders, offers no hold-up play and no pace up front. Besides, he messed up the chance he had immediately after Sunderland's first goal. He was rubbish for a star forward. Nowadays he struggles to outperform Defoe.
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this is the state it has reached, not fecking up is lauded. SUNDERLAND
 
People often underestimate the importance of being secure at both ends of the pitch; the forward position and GK position. Even Fergie knew the importance which is why he always looked for the best available GK and best strike force. Before we start talking about Rooney feeding off scraps, the question is whether he is a good enough striker for United. We look at City, Leicester, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton etc these teams have a solid enough GK and have a solid CF to look too when things aren't going great. Guess the difference between them and us? The CF position. Having solid options at both ends almost means the middle will pick up their game.
As much as most want LvG out, things are unlikely to change with Rooney.
 
Somebody with some video editing ability should really make a video of just how many times Rooney miss-controls easy passes into him, fumbles over the ball, plays 5 yard passes 2 feet behind the intended player, doesn't make any attempt to get on the end of the glut of excellent balls we've been playing in-between keeper and defence in the last few weeks, etc etc etc.

He is a shambles. This myth of his recent "form" annoys me no end, hearing how he's back in form and scoring goals. He's been scoring penalties (that by rights Mata should have been taking if he was on the pitch like he should have been), a tap in and granted one good finish. Problem is everything else he touches in those games turns to shite.

All these ex-players doing commentating and punditry dont help either. Think it was Danny Murphy commentating a game a few weeks ago. He was describing Rooney's control with superlatives like exceptional, phenomenal and sensational while im watching him miss-control a perfect 5 yard pass into his feet while he's under no pressure.

And still, still, this morning i watched a clip on the BBC Sport website about who Chris Sutton and Trevor Sinclair in the United team you would keep, Martial first name, Rooney second, and they had to be prompted to remember who De Gea was. What hallucinogenic drugs are all these pundits and ex-players on??
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
Somebody with some video editing ability should really make a video of just how many times Rooney miss-controls easy passes into him, fumbles over the ball, plays 5 yard passes 2 feet behind the intended player, doesn't make any attempt to get on the end of the glut of excellent balls we've been playing in-between keeper and defence in the last few weeks, etc etc etc.

He is a shambles. This myth of his recent "form" annoys me no end, hearing how he's back in form and scoring goals. He's been scoring penalties (that by rights Mata should have been taking if he was on the pitch like he should have been), a tap in and granted one good finish. Problem is everything else he touches in those games turns to shite.

All these ex-players doing commentating and punditry dont help either. Think it was Danny Murphy commentating a game a few weeks ago. He was describing Rooney's control with superlatives like exceptional, phenomenal and sensational while im watching him miss-control a perfect 5 yard pass into his feet while he's under no pressure.

And still, still, this morning i watched a clip on the BBC Sport website about who Chris Sutton and Trevor Sinclair in the United team you would keep, Martial first name, Rooney second, and they had to be prompted to remember who De Gea was. What hallucinogenic drugs are all these pundits and ex-players on??
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How else would they get on Colleen's xmas list? Rooney is a wealthy guy, you know?
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
Somebody with some video editing ability should really make a video of just how many times Rooney miss-controls easy passes into him, fumbles over the ball, plays 5 yard passes 2 feet behind the intended player, doesn't make any attempt to get on the end of the glut of excellent balls we've been playing in-between keeper and defence in the last few weeks, etc etc etc.

He is a shambles. This myth of his recent "form" annoys me no end, hearing how he's back in form and scoring goals. He's been scoring penalties (that by rights Mata should have been taking if he was on the pitch like he should have been), a tap in and granted one good finish. Problem is everything else he touches in those games turns to shite.

All these ex-players doing commentating and punditry dont help either. Think it was Danny Murphy commentating a game a few weeks ago. He was describing Rooney's control with superlatives like exceptional, phenomenal and sensational while im watching him miss-control a perfect 5 yard pass into his feet while he's under no pressure.

And still, still, this morning i watched a clip on the BBC Sport website about who Chris Sutton and Trevor Sinclair in the United team you would keep, Martial first name, Rooney second, and they had to be prompted to remember who De Gea was. What hallucinogenic drugs are all these pundits and ex-players on??
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Quoted for truth.
 
The one yesterday cracked me up when he ended one of our more promising moves by playing the ball a good yard at least behind Love and the commentators described it as "Rooney almost squeezes it through." No, there was no squeezing, there was a simple pass fecked up.

My favourite piece of Rooney media bias remains Herrera's goal, I think it was in the FA Cup last season. The one he bent it into the bottom corner from the edge of the box, Rooney was offside and moved out of the way of the shot. The analysis of this? Not one mention of Herrera but praising Rooney as a genius for simply not getting hit with the ball. It was Phil Neville doing the analysis.
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
Somebody with some video editing ability should really make a video of just how many times Rooney miss-controls easy passes into him, fumbles over the ball, plays 5 yard passes 2 feet behind the intended player, doesn't make any attempt to get on the end of the glut of excellent balls we've been playing in-between keeper and defence in the last few weeks, etc etc etc.

He is a shambles. This myth of his recent "form" annoys me no end, hearing how he's back in form and scoring goals. He's been scoring penalties (that by rights Mata should have been taking if he was on the pitch like he should have been), a tap in and granted one good finish. Problem is everything else he touches in those games turns to shite.

All these ex-players doing commentating and punditry dont help either. Think it was Danny Murphy commentating a game a few weeks ago. He was describing Rooney's control with superlatives like exceptional, phenomenal and sensational while im watching him miss-control a perfect 5 yard pass into his feet while he's under no pressure.

And still, still, this morning i watched a clip on the BBC Sport website about who Chris Sutton and Trevor Sinclair in the United team you would keep, Martial first name, Rooney second, and they had to be prompted to remember who De Gea was. What hallucinogenic drugs are all these pundits and ex-players on??
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There was one lay off Rooney did, and Murphy did actually gasp a cum noise
 
It's sad to see how far Rooney has declined over the last 4-5 seasons. Sure, he's had 3, perhaps 4, decent -- but hardly fantastic -- matches this season, but that's nowhere near good enough for a player of his supposed caliber.
 
With the wages he is on he really should be moved on in the summer, you can't be on that kind of Money and play like he does.
It doesn't matter what position he plays either, he can still score goals but his allround game is very poor these days.
 
Black Adder said:
If only was that simple.

Truth is that this team generally lack confidence and direction, Rooney plays his part by being really ineffective, but since there's no movement around him what do you expect of him, to stay up front and wait for the long ball galore like we've seen in some matches?

Our problems are much deeper than just Wayne Rooney, no matter how hard you must think it's everything his fault, really isn't.
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No one would argue that our current woes are his fault alone, that would be insane, but he has to take a big part of the blame here.

Rooney plays as our only CF, which is hard to believe unless you watch the line up, because he seems to spend 90% of the match out of position. Then when you add in that his movement up front is also non existent, we become incredibly easy to defend against. Martial and Lingaard moves a lot, the problem is that they are usually hugging the touchline, so when they get the ball their only targets are usually Rooney and Mata in a box crowded with defenders. Again, very easy to defend against

Rooney is our captain and one of the highest earners in world football, which would imply hes the one who should carry the team through the rough patches. The reality though, is that he has done none of the like, and has been a complete passenger in a side that has struggled all season. When you then add in Van Gaal's shit on a stick "philosophy" which suffocates any creativity and attacking incentive, this is what you get: A supposed "top club" being bottom in chances created and shots on target in the whole league
 
Spock said:
It's sad to see how far Rooney has declined over the last 4-5 seasons. Sure, he's had 3, perhaps 4, decent -- but hardly fantastic -- matches this season, but that's nowhere near good enough for a player of his supposed caliber.
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Against the likes of Newcastle and Derby County
 
Bobcat said:
No one would argue that our current woes are his fault alone, that would be insane, but he has to take a big part of the blame here.

Rooney plays as our only CF, which is hard to believe unless you watch the line up, because he seems to spend 90% of the match out of position. Then when you add in that his movement up front is also non existent, we become incredibly easy to defend against. Martial and Lingaard moves a lot, the problem is that they are usually hugging the touchline, so when they get the ball their only targets are usually Rooney and Mata in a box crowded with defenders. Again, very easy to defend against

Rooney is our captain and one of the highest earners in world football, which would imply hes the one who should carry the team through the rough patches. The reality though, is that he has done none of the like, and has been a complete passenger in a side that has struggled all season. When you then add in Van Gaal's shit on a stick "philosophy" which suffocates any creativity and attacking incentive, this is what you get: A supposed "top club" being bottom in chances created and shots on target in the whole league
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I've said numerous times he clearly passed and should be replaced, there's no denying that, being only striker in the team yet coming with such poor displays and scoring record is pathetic really.

But what's the worst, you can put anyone else there instead of him and it wouldn't make a difference, not in a long run since other players apart from Martial aren't good enough and LVG philosophy which you've said kills creativity in the start.

Maybe I'm harsh, spolied or whatever but only De Gea, Martial, Shaw before injurie and Smalling at times are players worth of United shirt, the rest of them are lucky for being here or just good enough to play at the highest level which is not something you expect from United player!
 
Sadly, nothing is going to change as long as the media, fans, pundits, former players keep heralding him as the next best thing.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Aguero had a poor game last night, but if Rooney performed like that the praise he would be given would be astronomical.
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But Aguero is not the face of Manchester City as much as Wayne is the face of United. Everyone knows that's the important thing these days.
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere: ESPN claim that Rooney isn't travelling to Midtjylland.
 
Typical Rooney loving. Rooney misses an away Europa League game to some team in Denmark and it's grand news on every outlet. What would we do without him?
 
dichinero said:
Typical Rooney loving. Rooney misses an away Europa League game to some team in Denmark and it's grand news on every outlet. What would we do without him?
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Well he's one of 2 senior strikers we have available, plus he's our captain, and the most experienced player in the team (appearances for United)
So understandably if he's missing, or worse, injured it's going to create some news.

The only reason its on every outlet is because United are the team that opposition fans care about also, so for journalists it makes sense to centre most articles about us.
 


It usually takes him about 10 games to pick up form after an injury so we've probably seen the best of him this season.
 
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