Scholes was right.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 41
- Goals
- 15
- Assists
- 6
- Yellow cards
- 5
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One positive to come from tonight was how good he was, he's starting to get back to his best. If he carries on playing like this then it gives us a chance.
You insinuate that if we played like today every week Rooney would shine. And I don't believe its as simple as that. Martial has been having a much better season than him, and he is getting played here, there and everywhere.
So wouldn't you agree Martial has performed better out wide than as a striker?
He has played more games as a wide player. I doubt he has played 5 straight games in the middle.
Anyhow lets end this, we agree to disagree.
Really going for next years Ballon D'or isn't he.
Would be brilliant to see him go on one of his runs now. 10 goals in 10 games or something like that from the old days would make a massive difference for us.
I loved the way we were set up in that first half where Herrera was all over the place between our midfield and attack - it pretty much forced Wayne to stay forward and our shape was much improved. Not sure what happened in the second half? Did Herrera run out of legs, did our defence and midfield drop too deep leaving too big a gap between them and Herrera or did Newcastle just change something effectively?
Either way, we should be looking at that spell in the first 45 minutes where Ander was running the show, Lingard and Martial were maintaining width and where Rooney looked like a proper forward, effectively leading the line. That shape has to be the blueprint for this side.
I loved the way we were set up in that first half where Herrera was all over the place between our midfield and attack - it pretty much forced Wayne to stay forward and our shape was much improved. Not sure what happened in the second half? Did Herrera run out of legs, did our defence and midfield drop too deep leaving too big a gap between them and Herrera or did Newcastle just change something effectively?
Either way, we should be looking at that spell in the first 45 minutes where Ander was running the show, Lingard and Martial were maintaining width and where Rooney looked like a proper forward, effectively leading the line. That shape has to be the blueprint for this side.
Very good performance. Great assist and his second goal was superb.
He'd still be seen as a good player if he played for a team who attacked with pace every game. Today we did and he played really well. There's no doubting that for the first few months of the season he was woefully out of form, but individually, his touch and all that seemed ok the last 2 months for the most part. It's just we played so slowly so he and everyone else gets stifled. Every single one of our attacking players would look better if we attacked with pace consistently, so I think it was a bit harsh for Rooney to get as much blame as he did. Everyone just looks trash on the pitch when we play like we do most of the time, Rooney more so then the others because he has more of a loose touch and needs more space to do his thing.
How is he back on pens? He gets to skip Herrera because he was subbed at the weekend?
I don't think this has been discussed quite enough. What in the blue hell was going on there? It looked like he was wearing someone else's wig.
It's quite odd. Concurrently off-putting and captivating. He has his natural hair around the sides and back and the artificial puff up front. On the crown of his head, though, he has hair like a coconut.
Strange lid aside, he was much better tonight. Despite the bad miss and the sad lack of pace / confidence to go to his left, he should have been the match winner for us tonight. I hope he can wind back the clock and keep it up. He can't play as a 9, though, or he's got no chance.
Only got the highlights of the game.
Looked a totally different player. Here's hoping he can keep this up. Van Gaal's job probably depends on it.
Looked a totally different player. Here's hoping he can keep this up. Van Gaal's job probably depends on it.
And you need to go and learn the meaning of ransom. May be we still have the cctv footage from the time when he put a gun on Moyes and woody, and we can use the footage to claim the money back.
First off, if we had sold him in the summer of 2013, we would easily have got close to 50M (or very close to that). He had two years still left on his contract and Chelsea, Arsenal and PSG were all looking for a forward. After that it would always have been much less, as we would be seen to be a more desperate party. If he was not sold, it is not Rooney's fault. Its not like he wouldn't have moved out if we wanted to sell him. He couldn't afford to not play with world cup around the corner. We could pocket what we got and gotten rid of the excessive salary. It was clear that Chelsea and PSG would more than match his salary so he would obviously insist on that if he stayed. It was totally in our hands if we didn't want to give him a new contract, or only give him a new contract at a lower salary.
However some people here think that as soon as he turned rubbish he should somehow voluntarily agree to get his salary reduced, even when his contract is until 2019. No player in their right mind will do that. We were foolish to sign the contract, or at least such a long contract, not he.
None of them would have given him a 6-year old contract to boot. And I very much doubt anyone would pay him that much or give United the fee you're talking about. PSG had Zlatan at the time already and were signing Cavani (or didn't they sign him a year before?). You're having a laugh if you think Arsenal would offer him such wages.
No one has suggested that he should take a pay cut, just that he's not been performing as he should be given his status within the club and enormous wage he's on.
LvG always the job to whoever scores a penalty. Herrera and Mata were off the pitch on Saturday, so he got the job and scored. Now it is his job again until he misses.
Its really lazy to claim that Falcao was having a relatively better season than Rooney is having now. Even if you take out the last 4 goals that Rooney has scored, he is still on 7 goals for the half season compared to 4 for Falcao for the whole of last season. Never mind the fact that Falcao looked totally out of place in our side when he was not injured. Yes Rooney has been bad this season (and apart from De Gea and Martial, hardly anyone has been much good) but Falcao last season was another level. He was also a player who came to us on loan because Monaco didn't want to pay his wages so he would obviously be beaten with the wage stick more. If he had already stayed 10 years and gave us his best, I am sure people would have been more patient. While we are on Falcao, its worth remembering that he was being paid 265K a week (from wiki) and we also paid a 6 million fee so in total he cost around 380K a week. We all know the return we got for that 380K a week.
How did Rooney force our hands? We had the chance to get a very decent sum on his transfer in 2013 which we didn't take. He was easily getting a better (or at least a similar offer) outside so he would insist on that. It was clearly up to us to not give him a new contract on his terms. We only gave him a new contract because Moyes and Woody thought it made sense (or at least I hope so). In hindsight may be it didn't. Whether we decided to give him 250k, or 300k or 200k or 150k, it would be the same Rooney. The money only shows our perception of what we thought we could give him. It wouldn't turn him into a different player. And yes as a fan you might have felt slightly better that a gash player is only getting 150K (instead of 250K) but nothing else would be different.
That's a fair point but status is only really based on past performances and the years he has spent with us and being involved in winning trophies. No one in their right mind should have expected a 30 year Rooney to match the past performances. Also if wage is a yardstick, hardly anyone is justifying their wages. For me earning 'only 150k' is not an excuse to play badly compared to someone who is earning '250k'. As I said earlier wages take into account a lot more than just the quality of the player. By all means criticize the performances but if we use wage as a stick then to me it somehow sounds like we are saying that as a player you will get less blame if someone earning more is playing gash.
Hope he keeps scoring.
So we can just agree that he's not been meeting expectations and leave wages aside.
Getting better though. I wouldn't get overly excited.
Maybe if you could consider the goal per minute ratio of both players.
I strongly believe his tantrums were just tactics to force our hands to pay him more.
If he avoids injury and being dropped, he's got at least 20 games to score the 9 goals he needs to break Charlton's record.
The Wayne Rooney of 4 or 5 years could probably do it comfortably, but i'm not sure this version, in this set-up, will. Be nice if he does though.
Hopefully he has a season like 2010/11, where he was poor in the first half, and excellent from New Years day onwards (when he got that stooping, headed goal against West Brom).
The Wayne Rooney of 4 or 5 years could probably do it comfortably, but i'm not sure this version, in this set-up, will. Be nice if he does though.
Hopefully he has a season like 2010/11, where he was poor in the first half, and excellent from New Years day onwards (when he got that stooping, headed goal against West Brom).
That's the problem, if you just watch highlights it looks a great performance, but I can't help feel if we had an aguero/Suarez/Kane he would have scored 4 yesterday. He was 1v1 against coloccini of all people and failed to get passed him! Unless Wayne has runners around him he's unfortunately toothless these days, which suggests we definitely need pace in the team to make him "effective"
He is back lads 
Put him upfront Woy!!!
Put him upfront Woy!!!
I think the last handful of games maybe, he's been better. With Wayne, you have to cross your fingers but isn't it funny? How when we start attacking more we score goals. Maybe a coincidence? Either way, we need to win against Liverpool so Wayne is going to have to keep this form up.
Either way, we need to win against Liverpool so Wayne is going to have to keep this form up.Better, but still a long way to go. There was one moment last night where he was 1 on 1 with the defender (think it was Coloccini, who they'd highlighted before the game as being dreadful at 1 on 1 situations) and he just ran straight into him. He still does that far too often and his touch is still shite. Cracking goal though and looked a lot better than he has done for a while so hopefully this is a turning point.
Haven't watched the entire game, but from what I have seen, good stuff from him. Probably MOTM and easily his best game of the season, probably of last two seasons too. I don't think his all around game was on that great level, but can't argue with two goals and an assist, plus couple of very bright moments. Even after last nights game I think it's quite clear that he is nowhere near great player, but if he can keep scoring goals and winning us games until end of season I don't mind seeing him playing even with poor all around play(not referring to last night).
We really want him to succeed so badly. Yesterday was much better. Rooney needs to understand that fans expect that performance EVERY game. Not just 1 in 20 as it is these days
I think that highlighted that while he seems to be finding his touch again, and is beginning to improve finishing wise, he's done as a player who can take it past people and as someone with plenty of pace. He's still got a lot to offer, but he will need to reinvent his game to thrive for us long-term.
Fair play to him. Finally, a genuinely good performance from him. Hope he keeps it up.
No, status has to be based on current performances. Respect can be based on past performances. Giggs was in and out of the team, in his last few years, as was proportionate to his performance levels. He was not this guaranteed-to-start Mr. Manchester United "privelidges" man, and was used in line with his footballing level (which had naturally dropped). What he did have, based on past performances, was respect from fans, team-mates, the staff and his manager.
The sooner he gets it the more chance we have of shifting him. I don't think he will be open to a move while he has a handful of goals to take a record like that at a club like this.
I didn't see the game, only saw the goals. His second was sublime.
Is there an individual highlights on Youtube yet? Can't seem to find one.
Is there an individual highlights on Youtube yet? Can't seem to find one.
His best performance of the season by miles.
Hopefully he can kick on and build from this. Against Liverpools shite defence I hope we have him and Martial high up the pitch attacking them
Hopefully he can kick on and build from this. Against Liverpools shite defence I hope we have him and Martial high up the pitch attacking them
Best performance from him in a long time. We can only hope his form continues for his sake and ours!
However seeing him just turn it on like that does piss me off as where the feck has he been for so long?!
However seeing him just turn it on like that does piss me off as where the feck has he been for so long?!
Charming.
Classy
Someone please tell me there's a clip of that. I searched in vain so far after reading that tweet.
Edit: Found it. Even more hilarious with video.
Edit: Found it. Even more hilarious with video.
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