We can't. Nobody will take him and he won't reduce his wages. We are stuck with him, we just have to hope his form picks up. Also, let's not make the stupid mistake of another contract.
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If you buy a scratcher and keep on buying one you'll bound to score a nice payout once in a while, but the net gain is still a big deficit.
It's like a broke drunken man bleating about he's going to get rich because he found 1 500 pounds scratcher after spending all his fortune on scratcher
It's like a broke drunken man bleating about he's going to get rich because he found 1 500 pounds scratcher after spending all his fortune on scratcher
I hope that he can keep scoring - if we insist on playing him. I'm all for supporting the team and giving a player his due when he performs, but I just feel sad that a Rooney performance of this level is now seen as worthy of praise. He's looked better than he did before and actually scored a belter. But he continues to be the slowest player in attack, missed some sitters and most importantly, continues to ensure that Martial is shunted wide.
Still, as plenty (including me) have been saying for a while, none of this means he's going to be dropped. He'll be here and starting for he rest of this season at the very least, so we just need to hope that his level from now will be at least this good and that he'll score...
Still, as plenty (including me) have been saying for a while, none of this means he's going to be dropped. He'll be here and starting for he rest of this season at the very least, so we just need to hope that his level from now will be at least this good and that he'll score...
Who would have thought Carragher would become one of the voices of sense and reason. Whatever happens at the bare minimum we need a new starting #9 and the Captaincy switched to Smalling next season.
As shit as he has been in 2015 and maybe even 2014, I find it unbelievable how people are rewriting history with the "he never really was that special" stuff.
That's the precisely it. Hes playing like Gary Neville was in his last few games but with a few goals (given he's a striker). I couldn't say Giggs or Scholes because they were still technically wonderful. That's the issue for me. He'll get you goals here and there. He'll probably end up with 15 this season. But he'll do it like someone on his last legs. I totally wouldn't mind that if he was a squad player but if Wayne Rooney is the first name on the team sheet next season, we have no chance of winning anything and we deserve just that.
To focus on the team and not the personal issues, it's the amount of game time he will need at his current goalscoring pace to surpass the record. He will be given minutes not on merit but on the hope he will score and break the record. Who was it that said: "I tell the players that the bus is moving. This club has to progress. And the bus wouldn't wait for them."?
I only him to play on merit (it's up for debate whether that's the case this season.) However, I'll never be against him breaking the record, because that would mean that he's scoring goals for us.
It's pathetic. He's been average-to-awful for the last 2 years, but there was a time when he was up there with the very best in the world (probably from 2008-2011.)
Depends on how many players you allow into that category each year/season I guess...
2004-06 he was good but never a great player (but with evident potential we all wanted to see fulfilled).
2006-09 he was very good (big moments) but at times more a support player depending on who was the 'main' man in attack (Saha/Ronaldo). Rooney being played on the left for his 'work' against Barca in the 2009 CL final tells you his role and pecking order in that Ferguson side. To be fair Tevez struggled too with this.
2009-10 roughly is the only time he was seriously considered in the 'elite' bracket across Europe (outside United supporters) and that was due to his goalscoring record.
He's scored plenty since then but his game has regressed from that point, to where now it's just not good enough for a starting XI player at United.
So I do think there's a fair argument or discussion about how 'great' Rooney was or rather, how long his peak year were. Even in 2009-10, he was still nowhere near the likes of Ronaldo/Messi.
To be fair you cant use those two as yardsticks for world class, they are freaks of nature, between 2008/2010 he was in or around the world class bracket, even I cant deny him that.
2009-2010 he belonged to the very best. Easily. He was crazy good that season. Went downhill after that though. It was probably his peak.
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If you exclude from the category of the very best Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Iniesta who are among the greatest attackers and midfielders of all time, then I agree. He wasn't up there with them at any point even though he was regarded as a world class player. He was a top 10, maybe even a top 5 forward for about 2 years (9-11), except for the fist half of 10/11 season.
in fairness a blind man could have told you Falcao was finished.
Rooney.. there is an argument about service and the way we play. I don't think he's as dead in the water as Falcao was.
Its as if people are blind to the clear chances he either misses of fluffs almost every game
Rooney looks every bit as finished as RvP and Falcao IMO, we'll never challenge for anything as long as he remains a mainstay starting fixture in the side.
Sorry, gb, but that's plain wrong.
At least Falcao had the excuse that he had to share the space in the final third with RvP and Rooney most games (seriously, 3 strikers we played last season, absolutely mental).
There are no more excuses for Rooney. He's finished at the top level. He can get a couple of easy years in the MLS or elsewhere, but at Utd he's done.
Thing about Saturday's performance was that Rooney for the first time that I can remember in the 9 position was actually making the runs that he should be as a 9. He didn't come short as often and actually figured out that he should be pulling out wide once in a while. He's also tried to be a lot more direct like with the shot against Chelsea and also trying to dribble at people - unsuccessfully but, something that's needed from his position.
Maybe being dropped has something to do with it - sincerely hope he can continue to stoke the fire because there was a top quality player there one day and if he can come back out, we really could use that right now.
Maybe being dropped has something to do with it - sincerely hope he can continue to stoke the fire because there was a top quality player there one day and if he can come back out, we really could use that right now.
We will forever be making excuses for Wayne Rooney.
Not saying that Rooney hasn't been an awesome player in his pomp but is quickly becoming the most over hyped and the player with the most excuse attached to him in English football. There is always an excuse for Wayne Rooney for everything he does, just because we don't want to upset the "Great White Pele".
Not saying that Rooney hasn't been an awesome player in his pomp but is quickly becoming the most over hyped and the player with the most excuse attached to him in English football. There is always an excuse for Wayne Rooney for everything he does, just because we don't want to upset the "Great White Pele".
- Whenever Wayne Rooney threw a tantrum on the pitch or acted erratically, they say it is because he is a street footballer and has a fire in his belly. So therefore let him be. False, He is not the only street footballer to grace the pitch as a professional. Many footballers from much humbler backgrounds had to learn football in less than suitable environments (especially South Americans and Africans) but you don't see them having some mythical fires in their bellies to play football. I coached a lot of young players and they say its not fair that Wayne can be excused for being angry on the pitch just because he is that good. Alan Shearer or Bobby Charlton did not need that attitude to play football. It's called mental strength and being a professional. What are we teaching our kids today?
- Wayne Rooney is the only top flight footballer that can get away with looking the way he looks. Before anyone goes on about genetics, I played football for many years, being into body building and into coaching. While genetics can play a part in weight gain, it is not enough reason for Wayne Rooney not to be in top shape most of the season. I have trained people who were clinically obese to lose up to 15kg in a month without any supplementation or paid gyms. I am not saying it is totally his fault but from a young age, it is clear that Rooney did not do his utmost best to be in the best shape that his body can be in. I cringe when I see fans have a pop at Ronaldo for taking extra care of his body, more so United fans having a go at Lampard by calling him fat, meanwhile this guy has played football at the highest level consistently for many years and doing great things. Or at Yakubu (like many African players, allegedly) playing into the in England while they are accused of being 5 to 10 years older than they admit. An apparently 40 year old Yakubu still moved well enough. Arouna Kone is another one who has been injured for the best part of 2 years with a knee injury but my word, this fella has done well do come back playing the way he is playing. He is also older than Wayne Rooney, officially. When genetics get in the way, it only means that you have to do more than the average guy to get by, and with all the available sport science, doing what you love and the money that goes with it, there should hardly be any excuse. I know some non-league footballers who spent their first earning to make sure they stopped smoking, drinking and not eat processed food. That is sacrifice. Earlier this year, the grand master that is Messi, admitted he cut out processed food to be better. Messi, taking steps to be better? Let that sink in. But with Wayne Rooney it is ok, as long as you can play a bit.
- Wayne Rooney is the only top flight footballer that needs at least 10 games to get into it, every season. I am so tired of this excuse. How bad must a high earning PL footballer be that he needs at least 10 games for everything. Everytime he has a dry spell, he needs another 10 games to find it again. Utter nonsense! Last season, Ronaldo did not score for 4 games, they said he needed a psychiatrist. Rooney does not score for 10 games, they say he is still finding his feet, the team, the manager and the formation are not playing to suit him. He is not Ronaldo or Messi, he should play around the team not vice versa. Even Fergie mentioned it but Rooney must never be dropped despite playing rubbish because he is on a 10 game road to getting it.
- Wayne Rooney can hold United to ransom for the 3rd time and get away with it. But Ashley Cole or Berainho or Adebayor does it, they should be burnt at the stake!
- It's a taboo to bring up how much Wayne Rooney earns because he is a great, loyal servant of United. I find this concept to be silly really. People act like Wayne hasn't cost financially. We took a gamble on a teenager for £28m, over 10 years ago! This guy has held us to ransom for money that he did not deserve, twice! I don't know how true but he threatened to go to City! We are just paying for his services and nothing more. I would have preferred if the likes of Giggs, Scholes or even Ronaldo did that to us but they never did. Yes, he is marketable but that is what United does for you. I know a lot of African born friends particularly from Nigeria who declared themselves to be Arsenal fans the moment they signed Kanu, even without ever watching a PL game. Its a mutual relationship.
- I am happy he scored, happier that we won but that goal or the performance did not warrant headlines like "Captain fantastic", MOTM, Team of the week. This is the kind of thing and in form Welbeck would do but no one would rave about it.
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excellent post, especially the part about Messi deciding even he could stand to lose weight
excellent post, especially the part about Messi deciding even he could stand to lose weight
I'm sorry, but that was a lot of effort put into expressing something that pretty much everyone around here agrees with, and has been saying for years.
He is second behind van Gaal on the list of persons whose departures are necessary in order to transform and rebuild this United.
Deserves it tbf. Broke the all time record.
I was on the opinion that Rooney should have been sold as soon as Moyes got the offer from Mourinho, but you all thought Moyes had done a masterstroke by keeping Rooney on a ridiculous contract... Now we reap what we sow. Rooney has been shit since SAF benched him, but unfortunately Sir Alex couldn't get rid of him before he retired.
What? People are still slating him?
Isn't he back
Isn't he back
Is the whole nation supposed to collude in the notion that Wayne is still a brilliant player? Jesus Christ...
There's a reason I posted that thing about 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.
That is the point. He will probably win a new contract based on that!
He'll be leading English attack proudly in the upcoming EC. He'll be the one to lead the brave Englishmen to the eternal glory
which is getting out of the group.
which is getting out of the group.
Voted Englands best in his shittest ever season. Untouchable
Next year will be the 4th out of 5 years on his contract won't it?
Guaranteed we renew it on a wage rise.
He needs to go this summer.
Guaranteed we renew it on a wage rise.
He needs to go this summer.
His contract is a sunk cost. We can get rid of him and free up at least part of what he is on. I don't think he will be of any use next season.
wisper it though.
I think LVG had a word with him. He told him that if he got sacked, Rooney's MUFC career was over. So, if he knew what was good for him, he'd better try and score/create....or something like that.
Guys. I'm not too bright.
Can someone just clarify - Rooney has been voted by a group of knowledge football experts as the best English player alive, based on his 2015 performances?
Have I got this right?
Assuming it's for his performances for Country and not club. And no one has really stood out for England in 2015 and Rooney did break Sir Bobby's record, so the award is not too far fetched.
I just read that it was the Official England Supporters Club members who voted.
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Yes, some of the 5 members are Rooney, Colleen, van Gaal, etc.
Scored 5 goals in 8 games, or 4 goals in 4 games if you only count competitive ones. Broke the all time England scoring record (which had stood for 45 years). Captained the team to European Championships qualification.
It's not really an outlandish a decision, given that context.
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