Hopefully the board wont appoint a complete buffoon next time who begs him to stay!
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Hopefully the board wont appoint a complete buffoon next time who begs him to stay!
I was disgusted when that happened. I thought I couldn't have been e only one to notice that. Martial had made an excellent run. Even a non league player could spot and pick that pass.
He has to leave next summer, if this club want to move forward p, they have no other choice.
I think officially the own-goal against Tottenham first game of the season goes down to him as an assist? I think that's the one the stats at the top of this thread are referring to.that's actually quite funny if true. Our number 10 hasn't had an assist this season?
I'm far from a Rooney fan, but let's not forget that before LVG he was always a player that always raked in a lot of assists every season as well as many goals.
It's easy to say that he does feck all these days(which is obviously true), but this applies to our other attacking players too. For example Mata had over 30 assists in his last full season with Chelsea, now he creates feck all, not a single attacking player has performed under LVG in the 18 months he's been here.
When does it stop becoming a player problem and starts becoming a system problem? Look at new players, for example, last year Di Maria came in and started playing really well, then he started understanding "the philosophy" and turned to shit. Maybe it's to early to say, but it looks like the same thing is happening with Martial.
You cannot express yourself in such a rigid system, where the manager expects you to perform like a robot and never make a mistake, no matter who you are.
It's easy to say that he does feck all these days(which is obviously true), but this applies to our other attacking players too. For example Mata had over 30 assists in his last full season with Chelsea, now he creates feck all, not a single attacking player has performed under LVG in the 18 months he's been here.
When does it stop becoming a player problem and starts becoming a system problem? Look at new players, for example, last year Di Maria came in and started playing really well, then he started understanding "the philosophy" and turned to shit. Maybe it's to early to say, but it looks like the same thing is happening with Martial.
You cannot express yourself in such a rigid system, where the manager expects you to perform like a robot and never make a mistake, no matter who you are.
Our defenders have more assists than him, Mata has 8 assists this season which is not bad. He's fecking terrible. Van Gaal has little to do with it. Martial is 19 and you kid yourself if you think a dip in form wasn't inevitable. When will people stop giving excuses for his performances. As for Di Maria, that has been done to death.
Not this season........this YEAR!that's actually quite funny if true. Our number 10 hasn't had an assist this season?
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../165/466/38/p#chances_created/goals_scored#90
Creates less chances per 90 minutes played than Fellaini, and scores almost half as many goals per 90 minutes played as Mata, Lingard and Herrera.
Creates less chances per 90 minutes played than Fellaini, and scores almost half as many goals per 90 minutes played as Mata, Lingard and Herrera.
Yet I'm hearing on Tv about how he's lost the legs to play centre forward but can still be a top class number 10 because apparently his passing, distribution and football intelligence is all there. Question is, where is it?
Mata's assist figures from his last full Chelsea campaign are very misleading because he played about 65 club games that season. To better compare his raw assist numbers - he had 24 scorers in 35 League games at Chelsea vs 7 scorers in 13 League games for United this season; or 11 scorers in 15 games in Europe for Chelsea vs 3 scorers in 5 games in Europe for United this season. The numbers are pretty comparable, and he's doing it without Hazard, Lampard and Oscar who were all really good that season, to go with a solid set piece setup, and even Torres who ended up scoring 20+ goals.
Agreed, half the pundits say he's better at no 10, the other half at no 9, maybe he's just no longer any good at either.
I don't disagree that he is better as a number 10 now but this idea that his passing and technical game is supposedly of a very high level is silly.
I still have hope that this might just be a period of bad form and not a permanent decline but he needs to be dropped asap. How much difference that will make I'm not too sure given pretty much every attacking player aside from Martial and perhaps Lingard have either been painfully average or complete shite (Rooney and Depay).
I don't think Rooney has ever been a #10, I actually don't believe he has much if any of the "football intelligence" we are often told he has. I think he has helped create the myth of him as a #10 but I have never seen any evidence that he can play the role effectively
I think we will only be allowed to conclude he's finished is if he and England flop at Euro 2016. The press will do a 180 on him, if England do relatively well then he may survive being a passenger and Van Gaal's system will be blamed.
Until then many will find a reason, I don't want to outright accept that's he's finished but the evidence is mounting.
Until then many will find a reason, I don't want to outright accept that's he's finished but the evidence is mounting.
I'm seriously fecking tired of people talking about some hypothetical press "backlash" if LVG drops Rooney. Bollocks. Half the press now, at least the press that doesn't reside in the fecking gutter, are openly questioning why Rooney continues to start. Latest is this piece in the Telegraph..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-but-the-well-of-goodwill-is-running-dry.html
"Rooney, indeed, is the elephant in the room as the inquest into United’s failings intensifies. Van Gaal has openly conceded that his leader is afforded certain privileges, and only Rooney’s most ardent apologists could say on present evidence that he deserves to be in the starting XI. It is tempting to conclude that one of United’s better performances of late, the 2-1 win at Watford, arose from the fact that he was not playing"
Now I'm no fan of the Tory Telegraph but if you want decent, informed, insightful opinion stop taking your cues from the tabloids and aim a bit higher. Any press that isn't marketed at plankton is telling it like it is..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-but-the-well-of-goodwill-is-running-dry.html
"Rooney, indeed, is the elephant in the room as the inquest into United’s failings intensifies. Van Gaal has openly conceded that his leader is afforded certain privileges, and only Rooney’s most ardent apologists could say on present evidence that he deserves to be in the starting XI. It is tempting to conclude that one of United’s better performances of late, the 2-1 win at Watford, arose from the fact that he was not playing"
Now I'm no fan of the Tory Telegraph but if you want decent, informed, insightful opinion stop taking your cues from the tabloids and aim a bit higher. Any press that isn't marketed at plankton is telling it like it is..
Just makes it more curious as to why LVG is 'affording' him these privileges? What's going on? Is it the money men and marketing malarky that's preventing him from dropping his arse? It's obvious he must know Rooney is dire and causing problems. His job will be on the line if he persists with Rooney and we end up in a bad position in the league. So why not drop him to at least save your job or to make it easier? It is a great mystery to me. Surely it can't be he thinks he'll lose the dressing room? Surely most of the players must know that Rooney is a hindrance to them, no matter how 'nice' he is off the pitch? I can't understand this situation at all.
It's his last job. I know he wants to go out with a bang, but is it really any skin off his nose if Wayne is playing badly and we don't do well. He will leave and say he tried his best.
Well we know not to listen to you.
Other than the bottom 4 clubs, he's probably the worst player in the league this season
There have been players in all four of the bottom clubs that have played better than him, much better.
This is like the old Pogba thread,people keep repeating the same things over and over again.
Easily worst player in the league. If it was someone else in other teams, they would drop him by now, Rooney keeps on playing every matches.
He has been poor, and poor for a while but come on mate, worst player in the league? I seriously don't get the reactions of some football fans.
Once he's past the level of being good enough for us..... Who cares?
With all the injuries today he is going to have to get his arse in gear and actually attempt to create something for himself. Any chances that do come his way will have to be taken. This is the sort of game that will show what sort of captain he is. We could be under the cosh for long periods. I have a suspicion that Chris Smalling will show himself as more of a captain.
I was questioning your point regarding him being easily the worst player in the league....
As poor as he has been and looks like he could continue that way, he is a United player and one that given the chance, can score goals. Something we kind of need.
yeah there's no room for sentiment if you want to be successful
we managed to carry the likes of Ando for a few years because we didn't use him or rely on him
with Rooney its the opposite - he's offering very very little and is in probably the key position in terms of creating chances and goals....along with his tactics another Van Gaal masterstroke
For me he embodies everything that is wrong with the club at present.
Too accepting of mediocrity.
Too slow to react.
Too willing to take the easy option.
Completely lacking of impetus.
Fans are also to blame. One Wednesday night I saw yet another performance by our most experienced forward player, our 'talisman', who didn't create chances and once again didn't look like scoring yet there were plenty of people saying he had a good performance.
Currently the bar is set so low, with so many just accepting it.
Too accepting of mediocrity.
Too slow to react.
Too willing to take the easy option.
Completely lacking of impetus.
Fans are also to blame. One Wednesday night I saw yet another performance by our most experienced forward player, our 'talisman', who didn't create chances and once again didn't look like scoring yet there were plenty of people saying he had a good performance.
Currently the bar is set so low, with so many just accepting it.
It wasn't my point. (That was another posters) My point is he's no longer good enough to play for us, I'm more interested in who we should replace him with.
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Exactly, I'm not concerned with who he's as poor as, I'm hoping that we can get a replacement in January, as unlikely as that is. ( we've bigger fish to fry)yeah there's no room for sentiment if you want to be successful
we managed to carry the likes of Ando for a few years because we didn't use him or rely on him
with Rooney its the opposite - he's offering very very little and is in probably the key position in terms of creating chances and goals....along with his tactics another Van Gaal masterstroke
My bad mate on that first point (another reason for avatars guys).
Who we can replace him with is in the future, we have Rooney now and he is going to play. He should have our support in my opinion. Yes, the future needs to be seriously considered but we have games to win now and Rooney is a player that as bad as people think or want him to be (yes many do want him to perform badly) can produce for us.
Barring a very small minority every wants him to do well. But he appears to simply not be good enough anymore. And a footballer keeping his relevance in the team due to past glories isn't exactly endearing to the fans. If he begins playing to the minimum acceptable level consistently, he could probably stay at the club as long as he's willing to be a squad player, but I don't see how a footballer performing at this level can continue being this "mega star status" player he currently. I don't think I've ever seen such a discrepancy between ability/performances and squad status. It's as if he's part owner of the football club. So yeah, as of now, get rid of him in the summer.
And with Rooney you can't help but look to the future, because the present is so dreadful.
I think we're flogging a dead horse. Continuing to try and find a way of using a player who's lost the reaction time to play at the top level, isn't going to bare fruit in my opinion.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...curacy/pass_completion/successful_take_ons#90
How he compares with the top scorer of the bottom 4 clubs, goals/shot accuracy/pass completion/successful take ons.
I don't think he is a very good #10 either, but he was our best player in the 10/11 title & CL run-in, playing as a 10 behind Chicharito. He was unbelievable in that role for several months, winning us many games and carrying us at times. He is a different player now, however.
They should blame van Gaal, not Rooney for that.
How do you measure 'lost the reaction time to play at the top level'? If he scores a goal today and sends us top (which lets not kid ourselves, he is still capable of) does the reaction time argument go on the shelf for a week until the next non productive game?
I see you point and somewhat agree but bold statements like worst player in the league, can't play at the top level (general statements made by many) are just wrong and don't give the topic much perspective.
My anger has turned squarely on Van Gaal for this situation. He looks like a player begging to be dropped
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