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Given the cafe's collective Roondown about his performance against Wolfsburg, I thought I might be seeing misplaced passes and miscontrols galore... along with negativity in his direction of passing.

Of course not. We have one appalling missed chance, and a very few minor errors. Not at his best by any means, but far from stinking the place out.

Admittedly he did not link up with Martial directly as much as we might have hoped, but he did find many good passes to keep attacks moving, and there weren't any obvious missed chances to pass that I recall. Can it be that the harsh glare of the miss affected peoples' vision?

That's because he's mostly being at the wrong place and the wrong time, leaving his teammates unwilling to pass to him, even when they eventually do, he manages to screw up more than 50% of it
 
Given the cafe's collective Roondown about his performance against Wolfsburg, I thought I might be seeing misplaced passes and miscontrols galore... along with negativity in his direction of passing.

Of course not. We have one appalling missed chance, and a very few minor errors. Not at his best by any means, but far from stinking the place out.

Admittedly he did not link up with Martial directly as much as we might have hoped, but he did find many good passes to keep attacks moving, and there weren't any obvious missed chances to pass that I recall. Can it be that the harsh glare of the miss affected peoples' vision?


To be honest Rooney needs a really, really good performance to get "supporters" like the CAF of his back. He's not in great form but he's an important part of this team I still believe.
 
So here's the punchline... apparently he's on the shortlist for the Ballon d'or.
 
There is usually a polarising omission in the England squad at major tournaments, and next year it's going to be Rooney in France.
 
There is usually a polarising omission in the England squad at major tournaments, and next year it's going to be Rooney in France.

Not a chance, he glcould only score two goals between now and then and he'd still start in some position.
 
Improve, persistence is for youth. We wait patiently for ronaldo back then, we persist with de gea, but a 29 years old rooney who plays every match when fit is not something we hope will improve if we persists

At his age and condition he should be pretty much settled, what you see is what you get, he's not going to improve alot. Any 30 years old players will probably found his level, a few anomalies where they play a blinder or a stinker, but they're pretty much what they are.

It's not about form as well, 2 years is a long time in football, if he cant do it nomore he's finished. What kind of players goes shit for 2 years and blame it on form? Do we have to wait 2 years just to have a few games of inform rooney?

Rooney is finished at this level, he'll never be the same player we see 5 years ago just like falcao, rvp are finished. They might do the job, but nobody in their right mind expect them to be getting back to their form 5 years ago.
 
Rooney has made it onto a Ballon d'Or shortlist of 59 players. Staggering, this season or last... blows my mind.
I can only console myself with the fact that based on this, I must be number 60 or there abouts! :lol:
 
I think he could with a three week "injury" and go off to dubai with a trainer.

He's in crap form and he must know it. It'll be affecting his confidence.
 
Was Hodgson supposed to drop Gerrard from the World Cup squad?

Honestly considering the slip and the effect it had on him he probably should've, despite the fact that it wasn't completely obvious just how done he was due to a decent season for Liverpool before that point.

Gerrard should've retired after Euro 2012 either way though.
 
Honestly considering the slip and the effect it had on him he probably should've, despite the fact that it wasn't completely obvious just how done he was due to a decent season for Liverpool before that point.

Gerrard should've retired after Euro 2012 either way though.

Gerrard wasn't 'finished' at the end of the 2013/14 season, so he definitely wasn't awarded any special treatment by being selected.

Every top player has that season where it is apparent to everyone watching, that he is done at the highest level. From all indications, this is probably Rooney's season (still only October).

I doubt he will be selected as a starter next summer,if he fails to pick up form.
 
He has been playing fine for England mate. The last time I checked he has been scoring goals. Unlike, Gerrard who was a totally different case study.

Post was contingent on his overall form becoming/continuing to be shite.
 
Improve, persistence is for youth. We wait patiently for ronaldo back then, we persist with de gea, but a 29 years old rooney who plays every match when fit is not something we hope will improve if we persists

At his age and condition he should be pretty much settled, what you see is what you get, he's not going to improve alot. Any 30 years old players will probably found his level, a few anomalies where they play a blinder or a stinker, but they're pretty much what they are.

It's not about form as well, 2 years is a long time in football, if he cant do it nomore he's finished. What kind of players goes shit for 2 years and blame it on form? Do we have to wait 2 years just to have a few games of inform rooney?

Rooney is finished at this level, he'll never be the same player we see 5 years ago just like falcao, rvp are finished. They might do the job, but nobody in their right mind expect them to be getting back to their form 5 years ago.
This is becoming truer with each poor performance (can we even call it a poor performance or it's his new norm and the good games that are now too infrequent are the outliers) but the worrying thing is that those in charge at Old Trafford are still waiting and hoping that the Rooney of five years ago will return. The fact that we made our transfer plans with him central to our designs makes one question Van Gaal and Woodward's ability to read trends and accurately predict whether a player's time is up, Fergie saw it two years ago but this lot couldn't or can't until it hits them hard on the pitch.
 
Gerrard wasn't 'finished' at the end of the 2013/14 season, so he definitely wasn't awarded any special treatment by being selected.

He was though. The slip affected him mentally to the point that it broke him completely, he was in no fit state to play for England at a World Cup.

Then from the start of last season it was obvious he was done.
 
He was though. The slip affected him mentally to the point that it broke him completely, he was in no fit state to play for England at a World Cup.

Then from the start of last season it was obvious he was done.

It's really not that deep.

The slip was just a terrible moment in a decent season. Most of the players at the WC were gash.

You really can't (and shouldn't)compare Gerrard's 2013/14 to Rooney's current season ( based on the assumption that this bad form will continue till the end).
 


The more I think about this, the more I think that Wayne is getting a bit lost in the transition to LVG's new United. Not sure he's figured out how to play the 10 spot yet. After all, he's a pretty good player to have the ball fall onto his right foot at the top of the box. See link above... was just last season and he hit some real winners.
 
He stirred up an old hornet's nest with his 'I never asked for a transfer' comments and got a bollocking I reckon.
The documentary will be interesting given that Lineker has never hidden his dislike of utd and never misses a chance to stick the boot in. As captain of MUFC he should have avoided anything controversial especially at this stage in our season. I'm certain Fergie has plenty of power left in the boardroom and will have ordered an old fashioned hiding. He was showing signs of form before that came out.
 
We can't afford to carry any passengers on Sunday. For the love of God Mr Rooney, please show up.
 
Of course not. We have one appalling missed chance, and a very few minor errors. Not at his best by any means, but far from stinking the place out.

I'm a critic of Rooney and I will explain why.

1. He is average. Not bad...just average. On its own, this is not a problem. But when when you combine this with (2), it becomes a problem.
2. He is undroppable. This means that we have no choice but to see him play, with no chance to see him subbed or benched. This is frustrating, as in some games it is like we are playing with 10 men.
Falcao was this player last year, but still kept getting starts. Mourinho this year is not as forgiving and is not giving Falcao any EPL starts. I think Falcao started in the league cup when Chelsea scored 4. But Falcao scored a big fat zero. Rooney is basically following in Falcao's footsteps, 1 year later.
3. Now that we have Martial - a player who actually wants to score - we are seeing side by side performance comparisons and it really is showing up how poor Rooney is in comparison.
Martial, when he gets the ball, goes straight for goal and runs at pace.
Rooney, when he gets the ball, stops or back passes and allows the opponents to organise themselves.

On a positive/bizarre note: when Rooney first arrived at MUFC he was seen as a working class, uncouth scouser, who doesn't know how to speak. But from what I understand, off-the-pitch this guy knows how to talk to people and behaves in a way you'd expect of a middle manager (on his way to becoming a senior manager). His behaviour encourages people to respect him. Off the pitch (and I think this is what LVG means when he says Rooney is the best Captain), he is everything you'd want in a club captain.

Off pitch: 29 year old Rooney is actually pretty good.
On pitch: Not so good.
 


The more I think about this, the more I think that Wayne is getting a bit lost in the transition to LVG's new United. Not sure he's figured out how to play the 10 spot yet. After all, he's a pretty good player to have the ball fall onto his right foot at the top of the box. See link above... was just last season and he hit some real winners.


Controlling a football or running with it aren't really dependant on the manager's system.
 
The good thing (from our perspective) is that Wayne has the opportunity to prove his critics wrong each and every week, with a goal or two, one good performance or more. Cards on the table: my concerns about Rooney range from the perceivably silly and trivial (I wasn't best pleased by his removal of all United-related imagery from his Facebook page at the height of Wayne's problems with SAF) to the sensible and basically impersonal (concerns about his poor form's effect on the club's future progress); but...he can always silence my doubts - he surely has that within him still - and, as a United supporter, I'd be overjoyed if he shut me up. There are very few actual 'Rooney haters'; instead, there are many who, like me, just want Wayne to play in a way that befits his status at the club and in the press. We're not asking for the totally unreasonable, such as world-class performances every game, just a level above basic competence.
 
Controlling a football or running with it aren't really dependant on the manager's system.

Its just more excuses.

The same excuses we heard all last season regarding Falcao and RVP's form. Hardly the managers fault that a player can't actually control a ball, no matter what system is being used.
 
The good thing (from our perspective) is that Wayne has the opportunity to prove his critics wrong each and every week, with a goal or two, one good performance or more. Cards on the table: my concerns about Rooney range from the perceivably silly and trivial (I wasn't best pleased by his removal of all United-related imagery from his Facebook page at the height of Wayne's problems with SAF) to the sensible and basically impersonal (concerns about his poor form's effect on the club's future progress); but...he can always silence my doubts - he surely has that within him still - and, as a United supporter, I'd be overjoyed if he shut me up. There are very few actual 'Rooney haters'; instead, there are many who, like me, just want Wayne to play in a way that befits his status at the club and in the press. We're not asking for the totally unreasonable, such as world-class performances every game, just a level above basic competence.
Why not though? He demanded the big bucks and should be delivering the performances that he's being paid to produce.
 
Why not though? He demanded the big bucks and should be delivering the performances that he's being paid to produce.

That's not going to happen though is it. We overpaid to keep him for another contract cycle and are just going to have to get on with Rooney on the wane - hope for the best and possibly look at alternatives in the summer.
 
I just don't think it's fair to demand that of any player, regardless of their salary. No player in the world maintains that standard.
 
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