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In midfield he misses too many runs by our strikers, or if he sees them he decides against attempting the required passes, either way he's not a playmaker who wins you trophies.

This. Good post. Perfectly describes Rooney in midfield. He's not a playmaker. Period. Doesn't know how to look out for space and attack it either.

To be fair I guess we had no choice but to play him there against Villa since all our midfielders save Carrick were struck ill or injured. And even then we decided in all stupidity to waste Carrick deep at centre back.
 
I was at the game yesterday. Rooney was awful. The amount of times he just lofts it to Valencia. Surely someone on the coaching team should tell him to stop that.

He doesn't have the finesse or intelligence to play in midfield or as a number 10. He has had a couple of good games recently (the Liverpool and Arsenal games) but he's also had a few stinkers-namely ydays game, So'ton, Hull etc. I dont get the hyperbole surrounding his performances this season because, on average, I'd say he's been ok to poor with a few decent performances dotted in.

I'd say most of the blame lies with LvG as its his philosophy, but I haven't seen anything consistently good or praiseworthy from Wayne. And this goes to a lot of the other players aswell. He should be playing higher up the pitch or not at all.
 
I was at the game yesterday. Rooney was awful. The amount of times he just lofts it to Valencia. Surely someone on the coaching team should tell him to stop that.

He doesn't have the finesse or intelligence to play in midfield or as a number 10. He has had a couple of good games recently (the Liverpool and Arsenal games) but he's also had a few stinkers-namely ydays game, So'ton, Hull etc. I dont get the hyperbole surrounding his performances this season because, on average, I'd say he's been ok to poor with a few decent performances dotted in.

I'd say most of the blame lies with LvG as its his philosophy, but I haven't seen anything consistently good or praiseworthy from Wayne. And this goes to a lot of the other players aswell. He should be playing higher up the pitch or not at all.

How exactly was he bad against Hull?!?!

You're going way over the top with statements like he can't play as a number 10, that's clearly just not true, he seems to get way more stick than anyone else after a bad game. And judging from his average rating I'm not the only one who thought he was actually alright yesterday. Not a midfielder, sure, I don't think anyone actually wants him to be playing there permanently.
 
Him & Mata in midfield is a mistake, I'd prefer him up top, but if hes going to play in midfield, then he has to play as the most advanced one and Mata needs to be sitting on the bench
 
I was at the game yesterday. Rooney was awful.

The consensus is that he was quite good. And in my opinion, he was. Don't remember him doing much wrong, and he would've had a couple of assists on another day. Saying he was 'awful' is just pure hyperbole, to be honest.

But then here's a selection of your comments mentioning Rooney over the last few months:

Rooney, and Mata have been crap and anonymous respectively.

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100% this.

Tbh you could say this after a game about Rooney over 4+ years now.

(After a post slating him)

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Rooney has been a huge disappointment for England. Anyone who believes the contrary needs their brain seen too. Scoring against San Marino and Estonia doesn't change that.

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I might be one of the few that thinks the England team would look a lot more cohesive without Rooney.

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--------RvP/Falcao--------
Di Maria--Mata--Januzaj
----Blind-----Herrera------

Rooney to fill in the top four positions as required.

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Why is Keane's name even in this thread? Rooney isn't fit to lace Keane's boots. Rooney being made captain was the wrong decision from the start.

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if Rooney was putting in 9/10 performances on a consistent basis, would he still garner the dislike he's been receiving? No.

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Been saying it for years-he's a liability. Kagawa should be playing up top with RvP like he used to with Dortmund. Rooney should be on the bench (or sold).

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I've said it all along, RvP needs to be our number 9 with Mata/Kagawa number 10. Rooney is not good enough for either. Hopefully Louis v G will get a good sum for sending Rooney on his way (or reinvigorate him to his form in the 09/10 season).

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And so on and so forth. I can't quite put my finger on why, but I do get the impression that you don't rate the boy, and don't have a good word to say about him even when he does play well (which is often).
 
The one thing that Rooney did well yesterday was that cute pass to RvP.

Aside from that he was crap. I've grown up seeing penetration and a lot more finesse in Utds midfields and he didn't offer any of that. Stats can be deceiving and saying 94% this and that doesn't change how I feel about what I saw. He received the ball and lofted it out to Valencia about 100 times. Mata and Fletcher weren't much better (Carrick played well).

@NessunDorma great selective picks of those posts. I like the part where you ignored my complementary posts about Rooney. That was good. I've been critical of Mata as well but let's overlook that.

I'm the first to admit that I'm not Rooneys biggest fan. Any player that threatens the club twice will, in my eyes, not be liked. But if he puts in great performances, then obviously I will start liking him some more. But he hasn't done that consistently this season.

And lastly, he shouldn't be captain.
 
I actually thought his wide passes out to Valencia have been hit lower and harder lately and are looking more effective. Maybe I am just imagining that though.
 
Agree by and large with what Uzz says. Stats can really flatter Rooney especially after yesterday. His favoured cross field balls to Valencia while accurate really stifle the shit out of any creative play. For one, he plays it right into Tony, not into space behind a defender. Second, it's more often than not a floated ball, giving defenders the chance to reposition and challenge Valencia by the time it lands. Also, he failed spectacularly in terms of exploiting space and offering any movement or passing threat.

As for the people questioning why people hate him at number 10, the reasons above plus his inconsistent and rather poor first touch and quick thinking are good enough reasons.
 
The one thing that Rooney did well yesterday was that cute pass to RvP.

Not true. He played in RvP with an amazing lofted through ball in the first half, which RvP should have squared for a Falcao tap-in. And he played a couple of excellent passes to set Valencia up 1 v 1 against his defender. Not easy to thread passes through such a congested area but nevertheless he found that pass for RvP which should've been an assist.
 
Trouble with Rooney in midfield, is that he seems to hover in the midfield third. He should be playing like Toure, bursting in and around the box, but he tends to sit and spray. You get the impression that he's more interested in showing off his long-passing, which can be pretty exquisite, admittedly, but it'd be better to see him drive forward.
 
@NessunDorma great selective picks of those posts. I like the part where you ignored my complementary posts about Rooney.

Erm . . . out of the 50 odd posts you've made about him since 2012, i'd say about 3 or 4 are vaguely complimentary. I 'ignored' them because they're as difficult to find as needles in a haystack.

I'm the first to admit that I'm not Rooneys biggest fan.

And i'll be the first to admit that i'm a huge Rooney fan boy. Doesn't mean one still can't retain a modicum of objectivity about his performances, and again, saying he was 'awful' is just a huge exaggeration (and when he does play badly, like he did at Southampton, i'll say so).
 
Agree by and large with what Uzz says. Stats can really flatter Rooney especially after yesterday. His favoured cross field balls to Valencia while accurate really stifle the shit out of any creative play. For one, he plays it right into Tony, not into space behind a defender. Second, it's more often than not a floated ball, giving defenders the chance to reposition and challenge Valencia by the time it lands. Also, he failed spectacularly in terms of exploiting space and offering any movement or passing threat.

As for the people questioning why people hate him at number 10, the reasons above plus his inconsistent and rather poor first touch and quick thinking are good enough reasons.

I think you completely forgot about an instance where he did just that. You can't just make a forward aerial pass if the conditions aren't there.
 
Erm . . . out of the 50 odd posts you've made about him since 2012, i'd say about 3 or 4 are vaguely complimentary. I 'ignored' them because they're as difficult to find as needles in a haystack.

Well this is where your argument lacks all credibility because you've purposely ignored my posts praising Rooney when he has done well. You need to understand I'm not going to praise a player if he doesn't perform, and simply put, he hasn't performed. I call it as I see it.


And i'll be the first to admit that i'm a huge Rooney fan boy. Doesn't mean one still can't retain a modicum of objectivity about his performances, and again, saying he was 'awful' is just a huge exaggeration (and when he does play badly, like he did at Southampton, i'll say so).

See above. If anything I dont think you can retain objectivity if you are such a big fanboy of Rooneys. How can you?

And yes he was awful. For a centre mid, bar 1 maybe 2 moments, I thought he was awful. As I thought Fletcher was. As I thought Mata was. I think you take any criticisms of Rooney too personally and should spend sometime offline to relax.
 
Well this is where your argument lacks all credibility because you've purposely ignored my posts praising Rooney when he has done well.

No, because the posts criticising him out number the posts praising him by about 10:1. You hardly ever praise him - and when you do, it's lukewarm at best - but you slate him all the time (with much of that slating being of the exaggerated, hyperbolic kind, as previously mentioned). And that is simply not an accurate reflection of the balance of his performances.

See above. If anything I dont think you can retain objectivity if you are such a big fanboy of Rooneys. How can you?

It's not that hard. Fortunately, Wayne Rooney is a very good footballer, and so being a fanboy of his doesn't require much bias.

It's not like with you hater types, who need to exaggerate his flaws and downplay his strengths to fit your preconceived agenda of him being below the required standard for United and even England (!)
 
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I think you completely forgot about an instance where he did just that. You can't just make a forward aerial pass if the conditions aren't there.

Granted that the conditions aren't always there but the fact remains that all it does it kill any offensive tempo and stifle creativity. In any case, I believe that we need more than an instant from him amidst game after game of these passes.
 
Granted that the conditions aren't always there but the fact remains that all it does it kill any offensive tempo and stifle creativity. In any case, I believe that we need more than an instant from him amidst game after game of these passes.

He created one of our best chances in the entire game and put in another great ball for RVP over the top. The problem with those passes out wide is Valencia's inability to do anything with it despite being 1v1.
 
@NessunDorma and others.

I'm not going to praise Rooney for a poor midfield performance. Like I said earlier, some of the blame lies with LvG for playing him there, because he isn't the standard required. But some of you Rooney lovers are so blinded that you'll applaud him running around aimlessly for 90 min chasing down long a ball hoofed to the corner flag because it shows 'heart' or 'desire'. This place was full of them after the Arsenal game last year when we won 1-0. It's pathetic. One of your best players being 'back to his best' because he ran around a lot red faced. Is that what it's come to? We're paying a player £300k a week to run around aimlessly, and then we'll applaud him for doing so. One of our best players, on the highest wage.

When Rooney storms up and down berating an already fragile defence against Leicester that's 'good captain material'? Some people here were even defending him as it was his mistake that led to the goal, that led to him shouting at the defence, saying he made that mistake because of xyz. it's just pathetic. He is not a good captain. Him pacing up and down shouting like a bloody baboon, he did it again in another game can't remember against who, but you don't do that on the pitch. Look at Steven G after his pitch with his 'speech' after the City result. It damaged the team. This type of behaviour, in public, damages the team. Why do you think Fergie was so adamant to not let that video get out by Keane? Humiliating a player will never result in a positive outcome. That kind of remonstrating should be done behind closed doors. It's so obvious, but instead, you guys will clap your hands, and say 'he loves United now'. Give me a break. Keane gave players a hard time, but he did it in a much, much, more subtle way. And he led by example. How many average/poor performances did you see from Keane? I said it before, and I'll say it again, Rooney is not even 1% the captain Keane was.

And, yes you can post stats about 94% pass completion and most touches of the ball, but did it hurt the opposition? Did it show? I mean, by all means, if he takes that many touches and has that pass completion rate, and we win 5-0, I'll praise the guy. But it did nothing for us. Absolutely nothing. He's not a good CM. He shows for the ball, and he can pass but that's it. He had a couple of good moments, yesterday, but I'm not going to settle for 1 maybe 2 moments every couple of games. His fitness isn't even that good. He was so obviously tired after the 70 min mark in yesterday's game, and he's only been playing 1 game a week. He's just a slightly better Cleverley as CM.

Anyway, I'm not arguing this with you anymore. By all means, clap him for running around and shouting at Tyler Blackett, and praise him when he passes the ball out wide to Valencia. It just shows the level he's dropped from when he first joined us if we're going to accept that as a sign that he's on top form.
 
Granted that the conditions aren't always there but the fact remains that all it does it kill any offensive tempo and stifle creativity. In any case, I believe that we need more than an instant from him amidst game after game of these passes.

My point is that he does them whenever he can, if the occasion isn't there, why would he do it ? It's not his fault if Valencia cannot produce anything when he gets the ball either.
 
He created one of our best chances in the entire game and put in another great ball for RVP over the top. The problem with those passes out wide is Valencia's inability to do anything with it despite being 1v1.

I'm not criticizing his performance here :) Just griping about his constant need to play that cross field ball. I agree that Valencia doesn't do anything with them. But that's not the only problem with the diagonal. As I said before, it's something so predictable from him; a slow floated ball that does nothing to help our play in terms of tempo and creativity. Our overall play suffers because of this. You don't see Ander / Afro / Blind / ADM / Carrick pulling this shit off when they start in a diamond and hence the fluidity of our play.
 
He isn't a midfielder. He's not a #10 either. His best position is right up front.

He's been played there because of injuries. When everyone is fit and available, it'll be two of Rooney/Falcao/RvP.
 
He isn't a midfielder. He's not a #10 either. His best position is right up front.

He's been played there because of injuries. When everyone is fit and available, it'll be two of Rooney/Falcao/RvP.

It depends on what formation we use, but it seems that Van Gaal prefers Rooney as a number 10.
 
Was our best player against villa I thought along with Falcao. Hardly gave the ball away and created 2 chances that RVP should have done better with.
 
@NessunDorma and others.

I'm not going to praise Rooney for a poor midfield performance. Like I said earlier, some of the blame lies with LvG for playing him there, because he isn't the standard required. But some of you Rooney lovers are so blinded that you'll applaud him running around aimlessly for 90 min chasing down long a ball hoofed to the corner flag because it shows 'heart' or 'desire'. This place was full of them after the Arsenal game last year when we won 1-0. It's pathetic. One of your best players being 'back to his best' because he ran around a lot red faced. Is that what it's come to? We're paying a player £300k a week to run around aimlessly, and then we'll applaud him for doing so. One of our best players, on the highest wage.

When Rooney storms up and down berating an already fragile defence against Leicester that's 'good captain material'? Some people here were even defending him as it was his mistake that led to the goal, that led to him shouting at the defence, saying he made that mistake because of xyz. it's just pathetic. He is not a good captain. Him pacing up and down shouting like a bloody baboon, he did it again in another game can't remember against who, but you don't do that on the pitch. Look at Steven G after his pitch with his 'speech' after the City result. It damaged the team. This type of behaviour, in public, damages the team. Why do you think Fergie was so adamant to not let that video get out by Keane? Humiliating a player will never result in a positive outcome. That kind of remonstrating should be done behind closed doors. It's so obvious, but instead, you guys will clap your hands, and say 'he loves United now'. Give me a break. Keane gave players a hard time, but he did it in a much, much, more subtle way. And he led by example. How many average/poor performances did you see from Keane? I said it before, and I'll say it again, Rooney is not even 1% the captain Keane was.

And, yes you can post stats about 94% pass completion and most touches of the ball, but did it hurt the opposition? Did it show? I mean, by all means, if he takes that many touches and has that pass completion rate, and we win 5-0, I'll praise the guy. But it did nothing for us. Absolutely nothing. He's not a good CM. He shows for the ball, and he can pass but that's it. He had a couple of good moments, yesterday, but I'm not going to settle for 1 maybe 2 moments every couple of games. His fitness isn't even that good. He was so obviously tired after the 70 min mark in yesterday's game, and he's only been playing 1 game a week. He's just a slightly better Cleverley as CM.

Anyway, I'm not arguing this with you anymore. By all means, clap him for running around and shouting at Tyler Blackett, and praise him when he passes the ball out wide to Valencia. It just shows the level he's dropped from when he first joined us if we're going to accept that as a sign that he's on top form.

You're speaking about Leicester game to state he isnt a good captain. My god...
Comparing him to Keane? Many players are or wouldnt be 1 percent the captain Keane was, so what, we probably wont have that kind of a captain ever again.
Since he became catptain he has been in a very oog form and certainly hasnt 'ran as a baboon'
His fitness isnt good? That's wrong also. From this post it's clear you dont like him so you cant be objective. Sure he isnt a mid but its completely wrong that he isnt a good nr. 10 as you said earlier.
And he wasnt good vs Hill, is that a Hull game from thius year or?
Not to mention the part about him dropping from when he joined us. That's a thing posters who dont like him love to repeat. In tead of accepting he's not athe same player like he was when he was 18.

But there's no purpose in this, you'll slate him for whatever reason you can find. Even comeing back to Leicester game of all things.
 
I thought he did ok against Villa but LvG was playing him too deep ala DM the traditional Carrick number 6 role, most probably because LvG had Carrick in the CB position. It was a pity because I had hoped after Abby got sent off that Rooney go higher and try to go for the goal however he stayed deep and did nothing really.

I don't know what LvG is trying, yes we have a defence issue but playing Rooney deep like that isn't doing the team any favours.

Also a big pity that RvP was taken off, I was shocked at that decision.
 
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Imagine how many goals he'd have if he remained the main striker after the 2010 season.

As for the slating him for the cross field passes - Scholes looked to go out wide even more than Rooney. Difference is Nani, Giggs, Ronaldo and Valencia at the time could actually take on a defender and beat them.

Some of the long passes to Valencia against villa were excellent and Tony V should have done better with.
 
I was at the game yesterday. Rooney was awful. The amount of times he just lofts it to Valencia. Surely someone on the coaching team should tell him to stop that.

He doesn't have the finesse or intelligence to play in midfield or as a number 10. He has had a couple of good games recently (the Liverpool and Arsenal games) but he's also had a few stinkers-namely ydays game, So'ton, Hull etc. I dont get the hyperbole surrounding his performances this season because, on average, I'd say he's been ok to poor with a few decent performances dotted in.

I'd say most of the blame lies with LvG as its his philosophy, but I haven't seen anything consistently good or praiseworthy from Wayne. And this goes to a lot of the other players aswell. He should be playing higher up the pitch or not at all.

Thought his passing range was awesome, dont know the stats but he switched play linked up well I thought. Possession was good and he was influential in this.

I do agree he missed a couple of through balls to Falcao that could have been played and weren't. But his pass to RVP was class to set up his chance.

Mata also didnt play any through balls as I remember?
 
@NessunDorma and others.

I'm not going to praise Rooney for a poor midfield performance. Like I said earlier, some of the blame lies with LvG for playing him there, because he isn't the standard required. But some of you Rooney lovers are so blinded that you'll applaud him running around aimlessly for 90 min chasing down long a ball hoofed to the corner flag because it shows 'heart' or 'desire'. This place was full of them after the Arsenal game last year when we won 1-0. It's pathetic. One of your best players being 'back to his best' because he ran around a lot red faced. Is that what it's come to? We're paying a player £300k a week to run around aimlessly, and then we'll applaud him for doing so. One of our best players, on the highest wage.

When Rooney storms up and down berating an already fragile defence against Leicester that's 'good captain material'? Some people here were even defending him as it was his mistake that led to the goal, that led to him shouting at the defence, saying he made that mistake because of xyz. it's just pathetic. He is not a good captain. Him pacing up and down shouting like a bloody baboon, he did it again in another game can't remember against who, but you don't do that on the pitch. Look at Steven G after his pitch with his 'speech' after the City result. It damaged the team. This type of behaviour, in public, damages the team. Why do you think Fergie was so adamant to not let that video get out by Keane? Humiliating a player will never result in a positive outcome. That kind of remonstrating should be done behind closed doors. It's so obvious, but instead, you guys will clap your hands, and say 'he loves United now'. Give me a break. Keane gave players a hard time, but he did it in a much, much, more subtle way. And he led by example. How many average/poor performances did you see from Keane? I said it before, and I'll say it again, Rooney is not even 1% the captain Keane was.

And, yes you can post stats about 94% pass completion and most touches of the ball, but did it hurt the opposition? Did it show? I mean, by all means, if he takes that many touches and has that pass completion rate, and we win 5-0, I'll praise the guy. But it did nothing for us. Absolutely nothing. He's not a good CM. He shows for the ball, and he can pass but that's it. He had a couple of good moments, yesterday, but I'm not going to settle for 1 maybe 2 moments every couple of games. His fitness isn't even that good. He was so obviously tired after the 70 min mark in yesterday's game, and he's only been playing 1 game a week. He's just a slightly better Cleverley as CM.

Anyway, I'm not arguing this with you anymore. By all means, clap him for running around and shouting at Tyler Blackett, and praise him when he passes the ball out wide to Valencia. It just shows the level he's dropped from when he first joined us if we're going to accept that as a sign that he's on top form.

Can I ask how many key passes a player must make to break your definition of doing nothing? I mean he's put RVP in twice in a game were he's basically playing as a deep midfeild player??? Its pretty clear you have a personal problem with Rooney some of the stuff your saying well its just embarassing. Our central player have always looked out wide, so your critism could be extended to some of our all time greats if you have such a problem with those balls out wide. It's in the club's DNA to look to the wings, I would guess Rooney has that pass because he's been a teammate of Scholes for so long, he played that pass numerous times all be it on a more sonsistant basis but then no player imo could compare with Scholes in passing ability.

As for Keane he gave out numerous beratings down the years, he also ended up arrested before a FA Cup Final hardly the example a captain should be setting. Now Keane was a great captain and we are yet to see how Rooney turns out in the role but both have and will make mistakes, the characters they have assure that, We've seen some great amangers, Ferguson, LVG, Capello and some not so great in Moyes, Hodgson over Rooney's career but the one thing they have in common is they all made Rooney a key part of their sides that should tell you something, he will go down most probably as our top scorer ever, England's top scorer ever and one of the most decarated players ever, that got to hurt you..
 
I think LvG is trying to Schweinstieger him.
I fecking hope not. Schweinstieger was a patchy winger before he converted, Rooney is one of the best finishers and goalscorers in world football.
 
I don't get why Rooney's getting stick for the game against Villa. In my opinion, he played like a cultured centre midfielder. Kept the ball ticking over, spread play (which was important against a very compact Villa side) supplied our front three (who didn't do much with it) and created a few goalscoring opportunities.
 
Imagine how many goals he'd have if he remained the main striker after the 2010 season.

As for the slating him for the cross field passes - Scholes looked to go out wide even more than Rooney. Difference is Nani, Giggs, Ronaldo and Valencia at the time could actually take on a defender and beat them.

Some of the long passes to Valencia against villa were excellent and Tony V should have done better with.
Scholes knew when to play it to the wing though. He'd control the tempo with a few short passes around the middle and then crack a beauty out wide which would leave the winger 1v1 or would free him up to run. Rooney takes forever playing the ball and by then they've already doubled up on the guy out wide.
 
I fecking hope not. Schweinstieger was a patchy winger before he converted, Rooney is one of the best finishers and goalscorers in world football.

Preaching to the choir man, but I just get the feeling that is where we are heading with Rooney under LvG.
 
Man Utd 3:1 Newcastle
His finishing this season has been class.
 
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