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Can't believe not dropping Rooney is being used as a stick to beat Van Gaal. Rooney should start every game regardless, barring an unprecedented loss of form. Making this an issue after today's game, where he was one of our better players, is even weirder.

Of course. Van Gaal's apparent reluctance to drop other players is more worthy of discussion. Not in this thread though.
 
wr8_utd said:
DDG was never going to be made captain really.
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Why? He's going to start every game, and a team should be built from the back. Plus we desperately want him to sign a new contract.

Why build a rod for yourself by selecting a high profile striker and then publicly announcing that they'll always play regardless of form? It was silly.

Strikers should play on form and there should be constant competition for every striker in the squad - Rooney has none, neither does RvP it seems.

Also, you want other managers to be second guessing which striker/s you'll pick so it's more difficult to prepare against you - every game, every team knows that Rooney will play (and RvP tbh).

Nah, Van Gaal is the right man to lead us forward and has done some great work throughout our build up play and possession but he's mishandled having 3 top class strikers.
 
Seriously needs to start being more picky with when to hit those cross-field passes. I don't know how many interceptions Clichy collected from him today. Other than that he looks fitter than ever, when's the last time you saw Wayne Rooney making runs like that, it was great to see.
 
That run he made symbolized everything that is Wayne Rooney. Absolute determination and drive in the run mixed in with flashes of quality yet when it came to solidifying his abilities into a finished product, he failed. Potential to be a world beater, but could never get there - you still admire the heart.
 
I thought he was very good to be fair.

But yes, that slow shit driffty out ball needs to feck off, I wouldn't mind if if he put some pace on it, but its worse than useless the way he does it.
 
WR10 said:
That run he made symbolized everything that is Wayne Rooney. Absolute determination and drive in the run mixed in with flashes of quality yet when it came to solidifying his abilities into a finished product, he failed. Potential to be a world beater, but could never get there - you still admire the heart.
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Surprisingly poignant post! You're right as well.
 
230 odd goals suggests that the end product is there more often than not though.
 
NoPace said:
Best game as a 10 in a long time.

Still rather see him up front as a 9 and one of Falcao or Van Persie leave and the money earmarked for them put towards a wide attacker with pace.

But he played quite well.
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He didn't even play as a 10. Was clearly in CM.
 
Rooney was excellent today, aside from the first 5 minutes when he gave the ball away horrifically twice and it looked like it was going to be one of his shite performances. I was really pleased with the way he turned it round.

I think he's quite suited to CM in the 4-1-4-1 we played today, but the issue I have is that today he was usually the deeper of the middle two whilst Fellaini was more advanced. Rooney showed far more appetite for the defensive aspect of the game and is much more switched on when tracking runners than Fellaini is. I'd love to see a midfield three of Blind, Herrera and Rooney, so Rooney can get further up the midfield and doesn't have to do so much defensive work.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Is he feck. Someone who will almost certainly go down as the most prolific goal-scorer in the history of Manchester United football club will be remembered for lacking end product? Jesus wept. The drivel being posted on here today...
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Nah, I think the poster was saying that he didn't ever quite meet his initial potential as being an 'all time great'. Don't think he was suggesting that Rooney has no end product.

He's a United legend (imo at least) but he's never quite realised that initial potential.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I thought he was very good to be fair.

But yes, that slow shit driffty out ball needs to feck off, I wouldn't mind if if he put some pace on it, but its worse than useless the way he does it.
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No offence man, but Rooney was well off his game today. He had that run on goal & then a spurt at the end of the game, but that was it. He did f*ck all to justify the "very good" tag or £300k per week more importantly..
 
JUPITER said:
Nah, I think the poster was saying that he didn't ever quite meet his initial potential as being an 'all time great'. Don't think he was suggesting that Rooney has no end product.

He's a United legend (imo at least) but he's never quite realised that initial potential.
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The analogy is bogus though. He's using a great run to slam Rooney for not finishing the chance. Rooney usually has great end product so it doesn't wash. That kind of run from Rooney is what United fans have been craving for years. It's actually atypical of his play and can not be used to make some kind of greater point about his career. If he combines his usual excellent end product with some exciting run then he will be well up there performance wise.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
The analogy is bogus though. He's using a great run to slam Rooney for not finishing the chance. Rooney usually has great end product so it doesn't wash. That kind of run from Rooney is what United fans have been craving for years. It's actually atypical of his play and can not be used to make some kind of greater point about his career. If he combines his standard excellent end product with exciting runs then he will be well up there performance wise.
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I think the poster was saying that the run was analogous of Rooney's career, rather that it being characteristic of something he does often when playing...

That's what I got from it anyway, you'd probably be better off asking the poster themselves.
 
JUPITER said:
I think the poster was saying that the run was analogous of Rooney's career, rather that it being characteristic of something he does often when playing...

That's what I got from it anyway, you'd probably be better off asking the poster themselves.
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You could take any run from Ronaldo/Messi that did not result in a goal and make the same point. But obviously that would be totally unrelated and a bit ridiculous. Which it is here.

If it's another 'Rooney didn't meet my expectations' comment' then you will find it's a bit of a worn track.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Is he feck. Someone who will almost certainly go down as the most prolific goal-scorer in the history of Manchester United football club will be remembered for lacking end product? Jesus wept. The drivel being posted on here today...
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:lol: He's completely wrong as well, that run opened City up and created a chance albeit which Di Maria really should have scored. Was a fantastic save by Hart though

Wasn't a huge fan of Rooney being given the captaincy in the summer but as things stand he is the only attacker who should be starting every match.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
You could take any run from Ronaldo/Messi that did not result in a goal and make the same point. But obviously that's totally unrelated and a bit ridiculous. Which it is here.
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You couldn't really as in their careers they've 'finished off' their initial potential. If you get me.
 
JUPITER said:
You couldn't really as in their careers they've 'finished off' their initial potential. If you get me.
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Of course you could make that point, in the analogy we're talking about the run, not anything that is typical about their careers as you said before.

This is a very murky subject. Potential is nothing, a sperm could outplay 10 Messi's but it will be 1 in 100 million if it's as good as Rooney.
 
Adebesi said:
My sperm is amazing at football. I've wanted to say that for so long but I thought everyone would think I was mental.
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Haha. It's so good even before conception and 18 years of football training, thats impressive. Does it have an agent?
 
I thought he was decent today, especially considering the terrible first 5 minutes and his usual pedigree for returning from absence horrendously out of fitness and sharpness.

Agree that the cross-field pass has to stop. I said to my Dad that I truely believe it's been coached I to him from SAF's Ronaldo days, to the point it's become instinctive.

I thought his work rate was as good as anyone else on the pitch and he looked good on the ball, losing it far less in tight situations than he normally does. His run to set up ADM was great as well, really sparked something in the team to get us finishing on the front foot. Not perfect but, in the circumstances, as much of a captain's performance as I've seen from him to date.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
Of course you could make that point, in the analogy we're talking about the run, not anything that is typical about their careers as you said before.

This is a very murky subject. Potential is nothing, a sperm could outplay 10 Messi's but it will be 1 in 100 million if it's as good as Rooney.
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r0x0rwolfo said:
A sperm has the potential to outplay Messi greatly. It most likely will not, but it at least has the potential to do so. At some point it's best to forget about potential and just realise what's actually there.
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:lol: I say this with fondness, not malice, but you're not really sure what an analogy is, are you?
 
I love Wayne Rooney. He comes with his flaws (who doesnt?) but it just feels right when he's on the pitch. He's a leader.

We will turn things around, I'm sure of it, and Wayne will play a big part of it.
 
Fellaini sort of man-marked Fernando yesterday so its not surprising to see him higher up the pitch. He was also an outlet for our long balls. I thought Rooney did well to influence the play from a deeper position. There were several times he received the ball under from pressure from two players and he turned them briliantly.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Decent today.

That run was lovely :drool: Looked like the old explosive, young Rooney.
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Quickest I've seen him look in ages, just such a shame he didn't shoot when he had the chance.

It makes you wonder why he doesn't use his pace more often?. Maybe he's playing within himself a little to help preserve his body more.
 
JUPITER said:
:lol: I say this with fondness, not malice, but you're not really sure what an analogy is, are you?
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You don't seem to understand yourself. If you're making the analogy from a run that doesn't result in a goal to Rooney's career, you can make this analogy from any run from any player. It's analogous, it doesn't have to be the actual player you're making a point about. One could make an analogy from a Beckham cross to Zidane's career, there is no contradiction in that.

Taking a atypical behaviour (like a poor Beckham cross) and analogising to someone's career would be confusing and nonsensical. You 'can' do so if you wish, it's still an analogy of sorts, but it's a poorly thought out one.

Also, taking a positive action (like a good dribble) to then make a negative sprawling comment about that very same player is poor from and self-contradictory too. Far away from poignant, it's all over the place.
 
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r0x0rwolfo said:
The analogy is bogus though. He's using a great run to slam Rooney for not finishing the chance. Rooney usually has great end product so it doesn't wash. That kind of run from Rooney is what United fans have been craving for years. It's actually atypical of his play and can not be used to make some kind of greater point about his career. If he combines his usual excellent end product with some exciting run then he will be well up there performance wise.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Is he feck. Someone who will almost certainly go down as the most prolific goal-scorer in the history of Manchester United football club will be remembered for lacking end product? Jesus wept. The drivel being posted on here today...
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JUPITER said:
I think the poster was saying that the run was analogous of Rooney's career, rather that it being characteristic of something he does often when playing...

That's what I got from it anyway, you'd probably be better off asking the poster themselves.
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Jupiter understands the deeper point I made in that post. My post was playing on the consensus of this forum that Rooney never reached the heights of Messi/Ronaldo that was expected of him at young age. That was the 'end product' I was talking about. English is not my first language, but hopefully you can reread my post and understand the analogy I was making now.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I thought he was very good to be fair.

But yes, that slow shit driffty out ball needs to feck off, I wouldn't mind if if he put some pace on it, but its worse than useless the way he does it.
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I agree. It's so obvious before he does it too that the defence know it is coming and intercept it easily. Needs to try and change it up a bit.
 
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