Poor decision but just the regular type of howler that happens maybe twice a weekend if we're honest.
Was that penalty for Wolves the worst refereeing decision of all time?
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This thread title sounds like RAWK, bravo
I also felt the same. The contact, albeit completely minimal, justified VAR in confirming his decision
It just highlights the inadequacies of VAR. there is minimal contact, at least I think his foot brushes the player, but VAR never overturns anything like that. You can tell it was a bad decision because they looked at it for so long and no one could even confirm there was contact, what made it unforgivable for me is it’s a clear dive with added theatrics and it’s been rewarded.
Of course it's not the worst of all time and that thread title is ultra dramatic...... It's an absolute shocker of a decision though.
As much as I enjoyed it, the Liverpool offside fiasco has to be the worst VAR I've seen?
As much as I enjoyed it, the Liverpool offside fiasco has to be the worst VAR I've seen?
You see just as bad a few times a week.
The issue is how VAR works. VAR is there to overturn howlers or massive cock ups. We have this stupid idea that referees should still have agency and be free to make bad decisions as long as they are not comically bad.
Yesterday, as soon as a penalty is given the referee should be invited to go to the pitchside monitor and check his decision. I am almost certain that if he had done that, he would have reversed the decision. As it was, VAR looked at it, said "yep, were almost certain there was contact so you can stick with your decision. If the ref had ignored it there isn't a popsicles chance he was being told to go look at it by VAR. How can anyone think thats a sensible system.
There needs to be a process whereby the ref goes to the monitor without the implication that his decision was wrong which is what happens now.
In the Liverpool game there were 2 far far better penalty shouts but VAR does nothing because the ref doesn't give them. Again, if the ref gave either of them VAR wouldn't have looked at them more than twice before saying "yep, penalty".
The idea of VAR is to reduce mistakes. Penalties when given incorrectly are massive mistakes. It could easily have cost us 2 points or more yesterday. Why they are leaving them to some broken system instead of treating them as some of the most important decisions in the match.
Imagine if we did offside like this. "Well he was offside but the linesman didn't give it and he was only 6 inches offside so lets just stick with the on field decision".
The issue is how VAR works. VAR is there to overturn howlers or massive cock ups. We have this stupid idea that referees should still have agency and be free to make bad decisions as long as they are not comically bad.
Yesterday, as soon as a penalty is given the referee should be invited to go to the pitchside monitor and check his decision. I am almost certain that if he had done that, he would have reversed the decision. As it was, VAR looked at it, said "yep, were almost certain there was contact so you can stick with your decision. If the ref had ignored it there isn't a popsicles chance he was being told to go look at it by VAR. How can anyone think thats a sensible system.
There needs to be a process whereby the ref goes to the monitor without the implication that his decision was wrong which is what happens now.
In the Liverpool game there were 2 far far better penalty shouts but VAR does nothing because the ref doesn't give them. Again, if the ref gave either of them VAR wouldn't have looked at them more than twice before saying "yep, penalty".
The idea of VAR is to reduce mistakes. Penalties when given incorrectly are massive mistakes. It could easily have cost us 2 points or more yesterday. Why they are leaving them to some broken system instead of treating them as some of the most important decisions in the match.
Imagine if we did offside like this. "Well he was offside but the linesman didn't give it and he was only 6 inches offside so lets just stick with the on field decision".
I don't think any of the footage shows 100% that contact was made. Regardless, it's so easy to see it was a dive. I hate the whole "If he feels contact then he's entitled to go down" BS. No, if he can stay on his feet then he should feckin well stay on his feet. I felt the same when Ronaldo won pens for us doing this, and when the likes of Bruno does it now... and Kane for England etc.
It was soft, but can see why VAR gave it. On replay it wasn't a clear and obvious error from the ref
Lets be honest, ref wanted to give wolves any semi-acceptable pen decision to make up for the game at OT and possibly shut the wolves manager up for good.
This is the thing isnt it, VAR was meant to stamp this stuff out.
The theatrics in full speed could con a ref - everything else after that is a total disaster
There's been plenty worse decisions, however I feel the dive to the ground was so exaggerated the ref should have noted that. As someone already stated once VAR saw there was technically contact they can't overturn it. I bet they we're looking at it though and thinking the ref got hoodwinked but still can't overturn it.
Is this the most melodramatic RedCafe thread of all time?
This in the era of VAR and goal line tech is definitely the worst. Especially considering that point likely kept Villa up.
The 9 minutes added stinks too, even more so that it lasted 11.
The Premier League really is becoming the WWE
The Premier League really is becoming the WWE
Typical RedCafe, every new thing is the worst thing that has ever happened ever.
Close this embarrassing thread!
It's not even Tierney's worst decision this week.
There was contact, but clearly not enough to get him to the floor, I can assure anyone that. The problem in these analysis is that is alwways up to the var referee criteria, which differs from ref to ref.
One thing to take away from it is that Paul Tierney will never walk alone
There are decisions made against other teams every week that are as bad if not worse. That's just the way football is these days
Really? He just ignored Onana cleaning out another of their CBs a few minutes before. Perhaps that played on his mind.
I wouldn't have given Casemiro one as it was barely an ankle tap but you could just about determine there was contact and ultimately you see many instances of that given throughout a season compared to even 10 years ago.
In general decisions Dalot getting those two yellows in a minute was far worse given no other player has been sent off for that incident since.
Of course not.
Bad decision but there have been many worse.
Bad decision but there have been many worse.
I can't think of many worse than the Dalot sending off in my lifetime. Absolutely astonishing decision.
Edit: oh the phantom Roy Carroll spurs goal was the worst of all time in our favour, maybe the worst I've ever seen given against us was Vardy's dive in the Leicester 4-2 win against us
As to the worst of all time for any club there's been plenty of horrendous decisions that didn't involve Manchester United.
I'm embarrassed to confess that I've spent time watching this barbaric sport.
When you clip a player like that you are lucky to get away with not conceding a penalty. It's certainly soft, but it's difficult to judge how much contact there was and if it impedes at all. I think with VAR we will see more of these given as they will be able to confirm the contact, which will then look more intentional and impactful in slow motion, and it'll be easier to be consistent by giving them.
That was absolutely bonkers, yeah
To make it even much worse, dissent worse then that happens literally every single game
. It happened a game or 2 later for us against Forest!Ive lost track of this season. The romero handball, the rashford red, the handball against eriksen in Munich, the penalty city got at old Trafford, the Dalot red card at anfield, the mctominay non penalty away at (was it Sheffield units or palace) there are about 10-15 more if i take the time to go through it. Its an absolute joke
OF ALL TIME!!!
Not when they've been told to send the ref to the monitor when the contact is minimal, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-var-advice-penalties-referees-premier-league
Just tried to explain it from their POV
Yes it was a clear and obvious error.
You can see after whatever mild contact happened, you can see the players are definitely not in contact with each other and the player throws his legs behind him and falls to the floor.
However, I know it's been said as nauseum but we really need to take this clear and obvious nonsense out of the decision making process. If the VAR thinks it's a soft one then the ref should go to the monitor. That way he can overrule his own previous decision and his feelings don't get hurt by being told he made a mistake.
And I was pointing out it was the wrong thing to do and against the advice of Howard Webb.
The crazy thing is that it was a classic 'archer's bow' shape that Neto throws. There was a great study years ago that identified that body shape as characteristic of a dive but that all seems to have been ignored since the move to VAR in favour of trying to interpret minimal contact in slow-mo ... link to details of study here if anyone is interested How to recognise a dive ... Please could someone also forward on to Paul Tierney!Lost for words, don’t remember having seen this before. Could so easily have broken his neck.
What kind of referee could only award a Yellow? That was GBH, player should have been banned for a year minimum.
The Liverpool one at Spurs wasnt a bad decision it was just miscommunication between the ref and VAR who thougnt the onfield decision was goal when the onfield decision was actually offside, Garnacho's disallowed goal against Arsenal was a worse decision.
Yeah I am aware what happened but the outcome was farcical. Why couldnt they have stopped play after they realized what they had done ?
Whatever the reason, the outcome was an incorrect decision.
In Italy, I have seen a team, I think Lazio, having a goal disallowed because VAR awarded a penalty to the opposing team for an incident a minute earlier. So 2:0 became 1:1.
Its not even close. Wolves have suffered far worse at the hands of the EPLs incompetent VAR refs this season.
I genuinely had a liverpool lad in my fantasy football group chat saying last night Utd get all the decisions too .. mental gymnastics big time.
VAR needs to look at the whole 'he made contact' rule. Its a bit ridiculous, Its a contact sport ffs. So one tiny brush past someone, or a tap on the leg means 'contact' ??
They need to use their common sense. I believe the rules are ' does it impede him?' .. if the answer is no, and its clearly not enough for them to go down, it shouldnt be a pen. If someone feels a hand on their back or shoulder and goes down like theyve been dropkicked, it should be looked at, then quickly told to resume play, with a quick warning.
If they have to spend ages looking for something to give it for, its def not a pen
.. mental gymnastics big time.VAR needs to look at the whole 'he made contact' rule. Its a bit ridiculous, Its a contact sport ffs. So one tiny brush past someone, or a tap on the leg means 'contact' ??
They need to use their common sense. I believe the rules are ' does it impede him?' .. if the answer is no, and its clearly not enough for them to go down, it shouldnt be a pen. If someone feels a hand on their back or shoulder and goes down like theyve been dropkicked, it should be looked at, then quickly told to resume play, with a quick warning.
If they have to spend ages looking for something to give it for, its def not a pen
That happen in the Premier League as well in a match between Burnley and Bournemouth when Bouremouth equalized but VAR ruled the goal out and awarded a penalty to Burnley.
100%. That was disturbing to watch, no idea how there could be any chance of allowing it to happen.