Pass was made for Rashford and he continued his run. How that is not interference is beyond me really.
Kind of rule you expect in the 60s
Kind of rule you expect in the 60s
Was Rashford interfering with play?
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Great finish by Bruno, not one mention of that.
About your last paragraph, it's been happening tbh. Plenty of players make runs when they're in offsides positions initially only to let one of their teammates touch and carry the ball. What happened yesterday wasn't the first time.
Yes, plenty are giving the defenders an out when they should have also been aware of Bruno and covered him – or as you say, play to the whistle. The shot also came from the same spot Rashford would have stuck it, so the goalkeeper doesn't get an out either. Right decision.
He didn’t even charge out. The keeper is where he should be in that position by standing around the penalty spot and literally doesn’t move. Even the Ederson point is nonsense
Completely agree with this. It's because it's United.
If City had scored a goal like this the controversial element would be a footnote ("Them's the rules", etc., etc.)
If Rashford had behaved like this for England it probably wouldn't warrant a mention.
It’s a technicality, but it’s also against the spirit of the game let’s have it right. I personally couldn’t give less of a shit though, considering the amount of times we’ve been fecked by bent decisions this season.
Walker should play to the whistle is the point. He could have closed Bruno down and didn't.
Because he thought Rashford was going to take the shot.
Play to the whistle, not to a thought is the professional way, in fact its the only way.
Defenders were not close enough to have any complaints really. Had anybody bothered to track Bruno's run they could have prevented a shot at least.But they didn't, so tough.
Ederson's scenario is less clear. Once the flag stays down, he has to consider Rashford onside and make decisions upon that premise and in direct response to Rashfords continued movement. Rashford eventually leaving it doesn't alter the fact that his movement towards the ball also influences Edersons decision making and movement.
Is that enough to be interfering with play?
I'm not sure, but Rashy clearly influenced how Ederson had to react and was subsequently not best positioned when Bruno eventually scored.
So, in my view, i think Ederson had to act based upon the info he had at the time, and therefore probably has some justification for feeling aggrieved.
How much influence should be considered enough to rule out a goal within the current interpretations, is unclear, to me anyway.
Ederson's scenario is less clear. Once the flag stays down, he has to consider Rashford onside and make decisions upon that premise and in direct response to Rashfords continued movement. Rashford eventually leaving it doesn't alter the fact that his movement towards the ball also influences Edersons decision making and movement.
Is that enough to be interfering with play?
I'm not sure, but Rashy clearly influenced how Ederson had to react and was subsequently not best positioned when Bruno eventually scored.
So, in my view, i think Ederson had to act based upon the info he had at the time, and therefore probably has some justification for feeling aggrieved.
How much influence should be considered enough to rule out a goal within the current interpretations, is unclear, to me anyway.
100% this. I'm trying to recall which game it was that we played City over the last couple of years, where a City player was was ambling from an offside position (think it may have been Fernandinho), was deemed not to be interfering with play when the ball was booted upfield towards him, and a City player subsequently scored (due to his "non-interference"). I'll take this goal thank you.
It's clearly offside. If it happened at the other end you'd all be going mad. But despite that I thought united were the better side.
If the rule was an offside player makes an attempt to receive the ball ie a rashford running towards it, the rule would be crystal clear for everyone to understand. I'm not sure why they don't just do something like that
But it's not clearly offside if you read the rules
Yeah I agree, at the least it's unclear on the goalie situation - I was just saying what I think should be offside!
The MOTD analysis was Akanji has done everything right there, as if a defender only ever had to consider one player and if they successfully via the art of defending play him offside, whatever is happening behind them shouldn't matter.
Daft!
Looks like the answer, in the current rules, is no.
The correct decision.
The correct decision.
They thought Rashford was offside and thus went through the motions.
Walker still gets ahead of Bruno and even waves a lazy leg to block once he sees Bruno is striking the ball.
I'm having trouble getting the image in the post but here is a link https://ibb.co/HtLBfgz
I will say the media pearl clutching over this is absolutely nuts considering Salah scored an even more batshit mental goal literally last week and nothing was said about it, even during the game. I get this was in a Derby but still. Madness.
You can enjoy it without having to misrepresent the event, just as I am enjoying the win.
Rashford had an impact, however "little" you wish to portray it and if it was City or Pool benefitting you would likely be squealing.
This. /Thread
What Walker thinks does not amount to Rashford interfering. Same for Akanji trying to play him offside. Rashford doesn't play an active role here.
Like I said. If that happens at the other end, united fans are going mental. The laws of the game are a hot mess. He's offside.
If akanji had actually tried to pressure the ball and tackle rashford it would have been given everytime, the naivety of just holding back was the deciding factor he won’t do that again.
It’s clearly interference and the goal should be chalked off but who cares, that Rodri handball against Everton still stinks till this day.
It’s clearly interference and the goal should be chalked off but who cares, that Rodri handball against Everton still stinks till this day.
Walker doesn’t get ahead of Bruno at al, you should watch the goal again
Look at the image in the link I posted.
Play to the whistle.
Yeah, the issue seems to be how the officials determine the outcome. The eventual ruling is based upon how much Rashfords influence has potentially affected the outcome.
He was offside and continued to involve himself in that move until the very last second. So for a few seconds his was the only involvement that could have posibly affected the play.
Yet, because he doesn't actually touch the ball, or prevented an opponent from touching it, he is deemed not to have had enough of an influence to be deemed an intereference.
Seems quite a subjective determination to me. How much influence is needed to become an interference?
Rashford was ahead of him. Are you suggesting that he fouls him as the last defender?
The image means nothing, go look at the goal. Walker starts from further out but Bruno has the inside lane to get to the ball first. That’s why Walker kind of runs parallel to the shot because he can’t get across.
At no point does Walker slow down or change direction towards Rashford.
Casemiro ball completely takes out the City defenders. It would be ball of the season if he meant it!
The laws are a mess but he's not offside
Having watched the MotD analysis and their explanations of why it's definitely offside, I'm actually less convinced than I was when I voted yes in the poll.
Akanji holds a line to allow Rashford to drift offside, and in doing so leaves a gap in behind which Bruno can exploit with a well-timed run to score. That's not an offside player interfering, that's just failing to play a high line properly. Where Rashford is when Bruno hits the ball is only relevant if he's physically preventing Akanji or anyone else getting there. Otherwise, it's irrelevant.
For Rashford to be offside, Akanji has to demonstrate that he could have gotten to the ball before Bruno if Rashford hadn't been there. But if you watch the video, he's nowhere near being able to put in a challenge on Rashford, never mind Bruno. If he'd been close enough to touch Rashford (even to foul him) he'd have a point, but he wasn't and the reason we scored was ultimately that Bruno made a great run which broke their defensive line, not because Rashford was interfering.
Akanji holds a line to allow Rashford to drift offside, and in doing so leaves a gap in behind which Bruno can exploit with a well-timed run to score. That's not an offside player interfering, that's just failing to play a high line properly. Where Rashford is when Bruno hits the ball is only relevant if he's physically preventing Akanji or anyone else getting there. Otherwise, it's irrelevant.
For Rashford to be offside, Akanji has to demonstrate that he could have gotten to the ball before Bruno if Rashford hadn't been there. But if you watch the video, he's nowhere near being able to put in a challenge on Rashford, never mind Bruno. If he'd been close enough to touch Rashford (even to foul him) he'd have a point, but he wasn't and the reason we scored was ultimately that Bruno made a great run which broke their defensive line, not because Rashford was interfering.
Mean closing down, not necessary blocking the ball. Walker could definitely do that. Are we going to argue if they had knew Bruno was going to take it 100% of the time, they wouldn't have made it harder for him?
There's no ground to argue that Rashford's action(down to last second) didn't have influence on City players' mental state. For Akanji and maybe Walker, I can accept it but Ederson? No fricking way.
No one's going to take the win away. United was the better team and deserved 3 points but it's also okay to just accept it as a happy mistake.
You are going to keep spinning regardless of what I show you.
You can't penalize Bruno for Akanji's and Walker's mental weaknesses.
But Walker can’t get near him, he’s trying and can’t do it.
It’s like fans are looking for reasons why it’s offside and whatever reason there is doesn’t involve Walker failing to close down either Bruno or Rashford. He isn’t even anywhere near Rashford anyway and is on the completely wrong side of Bruno and the ball.
If what you say is true and he’s covering Rashford then by definition he should be clearly covering Bruno because Rashford is further away but he’s simply not. That did not happen. If anything it would be the onside player in Bruno blocking Walker from the ball and Rashford simply because he ends up on Bruno’s left hand side
It just doesn’t make sense
Jebus, it's like arguing with a wall now.
I give up. As long as 31% is the minority, I'm fine with it.
Not my fault your argument is shit.
I don't know why anyone is saying the goalkeeper was confused by the player movement.
Confusing the goalkeeper is part of the game, whether feinting to shoot one way then doing another, or hitting something that's going to do an unreadable swerve.
The defenders got this wrong, and coaches in all teams should be using it as a teaching example, even if they've got someone as stubbornly unreceptive and argumentative as Micah Richards.
Confusing the goalkeeper is part of the game, whether feinting to shoot one way then doing another, or hitting something that's going to do an unreadable swerve.
The defenders got this wrong, and coaches in all teams should be using it as a teaching example, even if they've got someone as stubbornly unreceptive and argumentative as Micah Richards.
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