Genuinely interested in hearing people's thoughts and maybe getting some different opinions/perspectives on the players we have and in particular those who were called out by Jose, AKA, the toxic one. To be clear, I thought Jose was an idiot at times and that he was never really right for the cub but did he have a point? The rotten culture at the club seems to go back to when Fergie left with players not watching training videos from LVG, constant player leaks to the press, abysmal seasons despite having one of the highest wage bills in world football etc. I must admit i genuinely find it hard to like some of these guys with what's implied. So was Jose right about some of them? Happy to be corrected or presented with different opinions but here's what it looks like to me:
Martial-major problems with Jose over alleged lack of workrate , allegedly a few issues with being left out by Ole; recently said he was happier in Spain but is now apparently being booed by a section of Sevilla fans for a perceived lack of effort and intensity. It really doesn't look good for him. I think Jose might have been right. He's always given off some Anelka vibes of a being a bit of a sulker when things aren't going his way. It's a shame because I feel there was a really good player there under LVG.
Shaw- made a comment in the media that he "knew he would outlast" Jose which to me at least sounded like he was waiting for/wanting him to be sacked. No one seemed to pick up on this comment at the time and were instead praising Shaw to the stars for his efforts at the Euros but then he's out in the media again saying he's happier and feels more wanted with England. His form has been dire and he's been rightly dropped by a manager who won't be the manager in a few months time (maybe grin and bear it Luke?). I think Jose was harsh with him but his comments about Shaw's positional play and other concerns about physical condition seem to be relevant still. At the very best you could argue that he's had two good seasons in eight years here which doesn't suggest he's worth anywhere near some of the other top left backs in world football.
Pogba- "The Virus" a consistent problem for every United manager, including Ole who had to spend a lot of press conferences brushing aside comments made by him or his agent (one such instance incredibly on the eve of a make or break champions league game). Seems to suggest that he's unhappy again at not having a consistent role at United.
Rashford. I generally like the guy even though his form has been crap. Jose seemed to imply he's not a central striker and unless you're playing like peak Leicester (2015-16) and devastating teams on the counter attack and with a ball over the top into space, I kind of feel he is a bit limited if he wants to be the main man at the club. I'm not sure Jose had any problem with his attitude but even that's questionable of late.
So what do you think? Footballers aren't robots- I get that.They have feelings and of course they can have bad games/periods and they should not be abused, but does anybody want to argue that there aren't some concerns regarding their attitude? (and you can add Maguire, VDB, and AWB to this list from the rumours we've heard). Is the culture at the club this bad by the sounds of things?
Martial-major problems with Jose over alleged lack of workrate , allegedly a few issues with being left out by Ole; recently said he was happier in Spain but is now apparently being booed by a section of Sevilla fans for a perceived lack of effort and intensity. It really doesn't look good for him. I think Jose might have been right. He's always given off some Anelka vibes of a being a bit of a sulker when things aren't going his way. It's a shame because I feel there was a really good player there under LVG.
Shaw- made a comment in the media that he "knew he would outlast" Jose which to me at least sounded like he was waiting for/wanting him to be sacked. No one seemed to pick up on this comment at the time and were instead praising Shaw to the stars for his efforts at the Euros but then he's out in the media again saying he's happier and feels more wanted with England. His form has been dire and he's been rightly dropped by a manager who won't be the manager in a few months time (maybe grin and bear it Luke?). I think Jose was harsh with him but his comments about Shaw's positional play and other concerns about physical condition seem to be relevant still. At the very best you could argue that he's had two good seasons in eight years here which doesn't suggest he's worth anywhere near some of the other top left backs in world football.
Pogba- "The Virus" a consistent problem for every United manager, including Ole who had to spend a lot of press conferences brushing aside comments made by him or his agent (one such instance incredibly on the eve of a make or break champions league game). Seems to suggest that he's unhappy again at not having a consistent role at United.
Rashford. I generally like the guy even though his form has been crap. Jose seemed to imply he's not a central striker and unless you're playing like peak Leicester (2015-16) and devastating teams on the counter attack and with a ball over the top into space, I kind of feel he is a bit limited if he wants to be the main man at the club. I'm not sure Jose had any problem with his attitude but even that's questionable of late.
So what do you think? Footballers aren't robots- I get that.They have feelings and of course they can have bad games/periods and they should not be abused, but does anybody want to argue that there aren't some concerns regarding their attitude? (and you can add Maguire, VDB, and AWB to this list from the rumours we've heard). Is the culture at the club this bad by the sounds of things?
