Virgil van Dijk | Performances

Liverpool's defense has dipped in recent months. For all the hoopla, they've conceded only 2 less goals than City.

But yeah his form in the first half was really good.

Has Vidic won this award before/?
Last defender was Terry in 2005. Since then:

Gerrard
Ronaldo
Ronaldo
Giggs
Rooney
Bale
Van Persie
Bale
Suarez
Hazard
Mahrez
Kante
Salah

No one has won it more than 2 times (Hughes, Shearer, Henry, Ronaldo, Bale) since 1973.
 
Liverpool's defense has dipped in recent months. For all the hoopla, they've conceded only 2 less goals than City.

But yeah his form in the first half was really good.

Has Vidic won this award before/?

Not the PFA award but, he did win the Premier League Player of the Season award twice.
 
Can't remember the last time a centreback was this dominant and influential for his team.

Still the only defender in the top five leagues in Europe who hasn't been dribbled past yet this season. And the defender who wins the most duels in the Premier league to boot.

Can't remember the last time a CB has been so well protected by the defensive work of the 3 midfielders in front of him and the high pressing of the whole team.

Yet, Liverpool have conceded more shots than their rivals for the title and only 2 goals fewer than them. Nobody talks much about any defender at City and they don't field 3 defensively minded mids, yet the defensive stats of both teams are pretty similar. What's more, City have conceded 6 league goals in 2019, Liverpool - 12. How come? Maybe VVD takes a bit too much credit for the defensive performances of the whole team?

That said, the award is not undeserving but Liverpool are solid in defence because of the overall defensive work and organisation of the team, not only because of VVD. As pointed out above, he doesn't shine to the same extent with Holland.
 
Our record has gotten worse since Gomez has been out, but it’s still very good, matips passing and ball carrying ability bring a lot.
 
Not if the other team has a game in hand which they play the next day!

Sorry mate, but being 10 points ahead, is exactly that, there was a 10 point gap and now it's gone. A game in hand does not equate to a guaranteed 3 points, it's still a game that requires a team to beat another team.
 
Sorry mate, but being 10 points ahead, is exactly that, there was a 10 point gap and now it's gone. A game in hand does not equate to a guaranteed 3 points, it's still a game that requires a team to beat another team.
I can see what he means though. Of course they were 10 points ahead at one point. That is a fact. But they also never "lost" or threw away a 10 point lead. They essentially "lost" a 7 point lead, all things considered. What City did with their game in hand, was out of Liverpool's control. The subsequent 7 point lead, was in Liverpool's control though.
 
I can see what he means though. Of course they were 10 points ahead at one point. That is a fact. But they also never "lost" or threw away a 10 point lead. They essentially "lost" a 7 point lead, all things considered. What City did with their game in hand, was out of Liverpool's control. The subsequent 7 point lead, was in Liverpool's control though.

Still good to see them sitting 2nd with City having a point lead, hopefully a 4 point lead very soon :lol:.

Do we equate pool to throwing away a lead or letting it 'slip' away ;)
 
First defender to win the award since John Terry in 2004-05, although I think Vidic was hard done by in 2009.
 
Well deserved. Now it is only one thing left to say. Liverpool would be nothing without him. One man team.
 
Liverpool players are making a habit of winning this award but not the PL. Long may it continue.
 
He’s great unfortunately. Looking forward to seeing how he deals with Barca.
 
First defender to win the award since John Terry in 2004-05, although I think Vidic was hard done by in 2009.
Vidic was by far and away player of the year that season. The media/players decided to give Giggs a sympathy award year.
 
Vidic was by far and away player of the year that season. The media/players decided to give Giggs a sympathy award year.

The players gave it to Giggs, the media gave it to Gerrard and strangely enough the sponsors are the only ones who got it right giving it to Vidic and they gave him the award again in 10-11.
 
I can see what he means though. Of course they were 10 points ahead at one point. That is a fact. But they also never "lost" or threw away a 10 point lead. They essentially "lost" a 7 point lead, all things considered. What City did with their game in hand, was out of Liverpool's control. The subsequent 7 point lead, was in Liverpool's control though.
Indeed, whenever they are going top with City having a game in hand we all know it's still in City's hands.

To me they had the chance of making it 10, only to see it reduced to 4. Draw that game and they would be winning the whole thing.
 
First defender to win the award since John Terry in 2004-05, although I think Vidic was hard done by in 2009.

Yeah I really think he should have won it over Giggs in 2009. It felt like a lifetime achievement award for Giggs. No way he was more influential than Vidic that season.
 
Kompany is the only one that had a similiar level in the last 10 years.
 
Can't remember the last time a CB has been so well protected by the defensive work of the 3 midfielders in front of him and the high pressing of the whole team.

Yet, Liverpool have conceded more shots than their rivals for the title and only 2 goals fewer than them. Nobody talks much about any defender at City and they don't field 3 defensively minded mids, yet the defensive stats of both teams are pretty similar. What's more, City have conceded 6 league goals in 2019, Liverpool - 12. How come? Maybe VVD takes a bit too much credit for the defensive performances of the whole team?

That said, the award is not undeserving but Liverpool are solid in defence because of the overall defensive work and organisation of the team, not only because of VVD. As pointed out above, he doesn't shine to the same extent with Holland.

Dont you think your opinion(1st Paragraph) and fact (2nd paragraph) contradict each other?

I mean if VVD is getting so much protection from midfield than how come they are conceding so many shots compared to team which doesnt get protection from its midfield?

I mean if you are conceding more shots than your rival either your midfield and team isnt giving you enough protection or you are doing something right if you have higher shot to goal ratio than your rival.

City is conceding less shots because their ball retention worls in three ways 1) It tires out the opposition. 2) Opposition cant threaten your goals if you have the ball. 3) It opens up the opposition creating goal scoring chances.

And when City loses the ball, Man City tries to wins the ball as high up the pitch as possible which is made easier as they tire teams with ball possesion. To me that sounds like Man City is much more efficient and effective at protecting their back four, with and without the ball.
 
Sorry mate, but being 10 points ahead, is exactly that, there was a 10 point gap and now it's gone. A game in hand does not equate to a guaranteed 3 points, it's still a game that requires a team to beat another team.

So will that equate to Man city losing 2 point lead slip every time Liverpool played before Man City in last couple of weeks? And Liverpool slipping away one point lead when Man City played their game in hand?

Sounds like this season is season of bottlers, nobody wants to win it they have slipped, 28 times (i believe) between them this season.

I mean i understand you want to rub it in your rival fanbase's face but you dont have to give ridiculous pseudo logics to justify your taunt.

Because instead of people having a laugh, they are left with many dead brain cells.
 
Dont you think your opinion(1st Paragraph) and fact (2nd paragraph) contradict each other?

I mean if VVD is getting so much protection from midfield than how come they are conceding so many shots compared to team which doesnt get protection from its midfield?

I mean if you are conceding more shots than your rival either your midfield and team isnt giving you enough protection or you are doing something right if you have higher shot to goal ratio than your rival.

City is conceding less shots because their ball retention worls in three ways 1) It tires out the opposition. 2) Opposition cant threaten your goals if you have the ball. 3) It opens up the opposition creating goal scoring chances.

And when City loses the ball, Man City tries to wins the ball as high up the pitch as possible which is made easier as they tire teams with ball possesion. To me that sounds like Man City is much more efficient and effective at protecting their back four, with and without the ball.

City's way of protecting their defence by recovering the ball as high up the pitch as possible is very efficient but the drawback is that when the attempt to do it fails, the distance between the defenders, especially the CBs, and the midfielders is big and the opposition attackers have more space to exploit. In contrast, the distance between Liverpool's midfielders and CB's is smaller, the spaces are better controlled and the CBs are not exposed to the same extent when the opposition plays through the press.

How many goals would have City conceded if they had VVD instead of Laporte? They have conceded 6 in 2019 vs 12 Liverpool. Most probably fewer than 22 over 36 games but not significantly fewer. And many of the goals they have conceded have more to do with errors from the fullbacks, not the CBs.

People are prone to explain good results with indiviual actions because they are easier to notice and appreciate.It is more difficult to see and recognise the overall defensive organisation of a team. I maintain that it is a major reason why Liverpool are stable in defence and that VVD gets credit also for the efforts of his colleagues.
 
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Can't remember the last time a CB has been so well protected by the defensive work of the 3 midfielders in front of him and the high pressing of the whole team.

Yet, Liverpool have conceded more shots than their rivals for the title and only 2 goals fewer than them. Nobody talks much about any defender at City and they don't field 3 defensively minded mids, yet the defensive stats of both teams are pretty similar. What's more, City have conceded 6 league goals in 2019, Liverpool - 12. How come? Maybe VVD takes a bit too much credit for the defensive performances of the whole team?

That said, the award is not undeserving but Liverpool are solid in defence because of the overall defensive work and organisation of the team, not only because of VVD. As pointed out above, he doesn't shine to the same extent with Holland.
That's because Holland are shite. Even still, we won the nation's league group with France and Germany.

Guess who made the deciding goal in the tie against zhe Germans to secure first place.
 
He's amazing. He plays like he's the participating adult humouring the 21 kids out on the pitch.

Him being amazing on the ball and deciding a couple of games at the other end of the pitch too is just icing on the cake.

Quite rare to see him ever having to step out of 2nd gear. And usually to clean up for someone else. It's easy to forget he is fast as feck as he rarely has to use his pace. I imagine the talking tos he dishes out after a sprint to clean up are along the lines of "are you trying to make me break a sweat? Are you going to launder my shirt afterwards?"

It's mostly Lovren that gets the stern talking tos.