breakout67
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The massive overrating of Liverpool players is happening once again. Makes the boom-bust cycle even more entertaining.
Unusually it's the United fans doing the overrating for a change.The massive overrating of Liverpool players is happening once again. Makes the boom-bust cycle even more entertaining.
Unusually it's the United fans doing the overrating for a change.
He wasn’t particularly great and gave the ball away really poorly almost letting City in to score.He and Lovren has it easy against Gabriel Jesus who looked like a lost little boy.
If any defender deserves praise for last night it’s their RB.
He's the best CB they've had in years. Very good on the ball and in the air.
If they can sign 2 good full backs and Keita, they'll be one to watch next season IMO. Pains me but I think Keita will be excellent for them, especially in a Klopp system.
He is literally the best cb in the league by quite some distance. Cant see anyone that comes clse.
Perhaps company when fully fit bit thats all. Well worth the 75 million.
He is literally the best cb in the league by quite some distance. Cant see anyone that comes clse.
Perhaps company when fully fit bit thats all. Well worth the 75 million.
He is literally the best cb in the league by quite some distance. Cant see anyone that comes clse.
Perhaps company when fully fit bit thats all. Well worth the 75 million.
Go on
I could list at least 5 who are better than him
Nope. Its not bias at all. United have the best keeper. Liverpool have the best cb. City have the best midfield and tottenham have the best striker.He isn't. Liverpool era is well and truly started. They have best CB, best Striker, best player in the league. Next season they will add best CM in the league.
Go on
You're literally on here bigging up your player thoughNope. Its not bias at all. United have the best keeper. Liverpool have the best cb. City have the best midfield and tottenham have the best striker.
The only people bigging up liverpool are other fans and not our own. We are just happy to be challenging in big games again and playing well.
Btw i do believe keita will be one of the top cm's though. Good shout
Vertonghen
Azpilicueta
Sanchez
Bailly
Alderweireld
Kompany
That's a mixture of those who have had better seasons than VVD this season and/or are just better than him
You are being quite generous.
I am because to be perfectly honest I dont actually think there's a lot between VVD and our very own Mike Smalling. I like Christensen as well albeit he's made quite a few mistakes in recent weeks
Vertonghen has been the best CB in the league this season though
You are being quite generous. Van Dyke has done absolutely nothing of note in his career. He's played in 12 games and Liverpool have conceded in 7 of them, with Van Dyke making mistakes every few games.
Liverpool fans were creaming over VVD when he scored against Everton, completely ignoring that he contributed to the goal they conceded. You have the Swansea game where he went for a ball that 3 other Liverpool players had under control, only to head it straight down in front of him to a Swansea player. What about the last minute penalty he gave away against Spurs where he pelted the back of an attackers leg. What about against West Ham when he was miles away from the defensive line in no man's land leaving Antonio completely free.
1. Im talking about a player, not the club.You're literally on here bigging up your player though
He is literally the best cb in the league by quite some distance. Cant see anyone that comes clse.
Perhaps company when fully fit bit thats all. Well worth the 75 million.
Nope. Its not bias at all. United have the best keeper. Liverpool have the best cb. City have the best midfield and tottenham have the best striker.
The only people bigging up liverpool are other fans and not our own. We are just happy to be challenging in big games again and playing well.
Btw i do believe keita will be one of the top cm's though. Good shout
He's up there with anyone else in the league. Basically looked like the best we've had since hyypia already.
But we could have baresi playing for us and there'd still be people saying "but smalling..."
Not really related to what I wrote thoughIt’s not really difficult to be the best CB at Liverpool when the other options are klavan lovren and matip
He's up there with anyone else in the league. Basically looked like the best we've had since hyypia already.
But we could have baresi playing for us and there'd still be people saying "but smalling..."
I can't be arsed splitting hairs about who exactly is top dog. He's been as good as as we could hope for basically and in the absence of clear world class defenders like Ferdinand vidic Terry or Campbell, I feel comfortable saying he's up there with the best this league has to offer.Works both ways though. Liverpool fans are also claiming that he's the best in the league which he's not.
Van Dijk is very good for us since he joined. Most of the "errors" mentioned here are not really his errors. Think carefully how collective defense usually works. He is not supposed to defend every situation and stop every player, others have their areas and players to cover. Most of the situations happened because either he was covering for someone else or his mates didn't do their job.
He's not the best CB in the league though. Spurs CBs are great, fof example. Too early to judge. What is obvious is he strenghtened our defense.
Some quality top level blinkers you have on there!He is literally the best cb in the league by quite some distance. Cant see anyone that comes clse.
Perhaps company when fully fit bit thats all. Well worth the 75 million.
God you speak some rubbish.
- Van Dijk had nothing to do with the goal we conceded against Everton. Emre Can was the one not tracking Sigurdsson, Van Dijk went to help our other defender thinking Can was tracking Sigurdsson. Can was on the halfway line at the same time at Sigurdsson but couldn't be bothered to track him, if he had no way they'd have scored.
- West Ham, it was a turnover because again Emre Can lost the ball on the half way line, Van Dijk was in line with the rest of his defenders not in this "no man's land" as you claim.
- He went to clear the ball against Spurs and an offside player jumped in front of him from his blind side and when he finally saw him he couldn't pull his leg away in time. That's just bad luck as we wouldn't even be talking about it if the linesman had done his job.
- Yeah of course... going for a header off a corner is a mistake :') this is literally just clutching at straws :') He's got as much right to go for that ball as every other player. The Liverpool players certainly didn't have it "under control" if they did he wouldn't have been the one getting the header so that's a complete contradiction in itself. It was even said in the commentary that it was "good fortune" that it happened to land at the Swansea's players feet, could have landed anywhere.
But sure, if it makes you feel better call them "mistakes" :') even though two of them very clearly Emre Can's fault not his, one was bad luck and well the other is just clearly clutching at straws to attempt to put a quality player down. Guy has been top quality since he's came. Exactly the player we needed at the back and you're delusional if you can't see that. No way would we have been able to hold out City for 45 minutes without him at the back organising and instructing our defence. I get this is a United site so bias will be aplenty but some of the rubbish you guys are coming out with isn't even biased, it's just straight up lies. Don’t get me wrong, Van Dijk has made mistakes this season (but not the one’s you’ve named) but generally he’s been excellent and brought genuinely solidity to our defence. In a system like ours players are bound to make some errors but it’s the other parts of his game that make him such an outstanding defender. I’m certainly not saying he’s the best in the league, because he’s not but to compare him to Smalling is just honestly laughable.
Van Dijk was so in line with the other defenders against West Ham, that Matip had to drop a few metres just to get level with him. What about Antonio who clearly saw Van Dijk out of position and made a curved run to take advantage of it???
It's obvious that Liverpool fans are the ones clutching at straws to justify a new signing as 'just what they need'.
Before Van Dijk's first game Liverpool had played 24 games and conceded in 14 of them meaning they conceded in 58% of games. VVD has played in 12 games and Liverpool have conceded in 7 of them making 58% conceded! Either VVD has made no significant difference to the defense, or he is preventing Liverpool from completely collapsing and conceding in virtually every game they play.
You've even gone on to basically invent something about VVD, as if he is some sort of commander in defence. Well, Liverpool's defence is just as leaky with him in it, so what is he actually organizing???
Who could also forget VVD laughable defending against United; where he watched Mata stroll past him and tried to play the offside trap when there were 3 Liverpool players deeper than him! What an amazing organizer.
Same. It’s clear that he’s improved the side defensively and I think we’ve only conceded one goal from a set piece since he signed (an area we were notoriously weak at prior to his arrival).I can't be arsed splitting hairs about who exactly is top dog. He's been as good as as we could hope for basically and in the absence of clear world class defenders like Ferdinand vidic Terry or Campbell, I feel comfortable saying he's up there with the best this league has to offer.
I think this is a bit overstated by Liverpool fans, probably because of Mignolet's blunders and perhaps being worse last season. This season Liverpool haven't been bad defending set pieces and you've conceded almost as many from penalties.Same. It’s clear that he’s improved the side defensively and I think we’ve only conceded one goal from a set piece since he signed (an area we were notoriously weak at prior to his arrival).
I think he’s helped Karius as well. It’s the first time he’s had a Liverpool CB in front of him that talks a bit and he seems to have picked up some form since he started playing with Van Dijk.
One criticism of VVD for me is that he’s a bit to casual on the ball. We saw that on Wednesday. He needs to improve his awareness at times as well.
Overall though I think he’s been excellent so far.