Virgil van Dijk | Performances

I haven't looked at that news a lot, but Teletekst describes it as a tackle that was much discussed and that no-one would have been surprised if Pickford had seen red (part of their one-page report on the match, so a lot of attention for Teletekst standards), and my Dutch newspaper calls it a horror tackle by the 'pumped up' goalie, which copied his 'attack' on Dele Alli two years ago. They also express their surprise at the ref and VAR ref letting this go unpunished. More sensationalist outlets probably would have had different things to say though.
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Crazy because the knock-on effect is your Euros are possibly compromised off the back of this.
 
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Crazy because the knock-on effect is your Euros are possibly compromised off the back of this.
Ha, I had not thought of that angle yet. Guess it's a bit early to say, it's still a while away and VvD's status is not really clear just yet. I'm sure they'll start bringing this up if, after his surgery, they peg his recovery at a period that runs into the summer. At least CB is the one position that NL has some good depth in these days - but I keep reading how you can hear really well now without the crowds that VvD is a real leader on the pitch for NL, so even a similarly skilled CB won't be able to replace him completely.
 
Werner lacks top speed and made some bad runs; he veered too far to the left which meant that Fabinho could just keep straight and cut him off.
I agree that his passing will be a bonus, but his lack of physicality will be an issue. Thiago is not as mobile as Hendo or Wijnaldum, so can Pool keep a high line with such a set up?

I'm not sure if I agree that Fabinho lacks too much physically. He might not be as strong as Van Dyke, but he is able to compete with players for strength in midfield in general. While I think Thiago is pretty mobile; if Fabinho is moved to the defense, he would end up being their slowest defender by a big margin. So it would be interesting to see how that pans out.

It looks like Matip is also out for the game against Ajax, so let's see if Fabinho plays CB again and if Klopp pushes the back line behind to compensate for his lack of pace.
 
Werner lacks top speed and made some bad runs; he veered too far to the left which meant that Fabinho could just keep straight and cut him off.
I agree that his passing will be a bonus, but his lack of physicality will be an issue. Thiago is not as mobile as Hendo or Wijnaldum, so can Pool keep a high line with such a set up?
Agree on Fabinho. On Werner, more about the path of his run, as opposed to his top speed, which is pretty quick (100m time of just over 11.0 at age 16 according to the Chelsea site) by footballer standards.
 
Agree on Fabinho. On Werner, more about the path of his run, as opposed to his top speed, which is pretty quick (100m time of just over 11.0 at age 16 according to the Chelsea site) by footballer standards.
Will be alot of pressure on matip from set pieces when they defend. Or even crosses in the box in general.
 
Agree on Fabinho. On Werner, more about the path of his run, as opposed to his top speed, which is pretty quick (100m time of just over 11.0 at age 16 according to the Chelsea site) by footballer standards.
Could be that he isn’t the great at running with the ball. Agree that the path was mostly what caused Fabinho to catch up. Didn’t Pool quite some 10,2 for Salah on the 100m or in that ballpark, when he signed? Outpaced on every long run I’ve seen, so not too sure about that. Even Shaw outpaced him. great acceleration, mind. Not sure I put too much faith in quoted speed or 100m times for footballers.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he played again this season with the juice Liverpool do be on, this recent story is just an attempt to ramp up some more sympathy.
 
Forget about liverpool, this is bad for the player. He may never be the same player again. As a football fan I feel bad that this happened to a top player.
 
This injury has seen a uniquely high level of fuss.

I mean, sure, it was a poor challenge by Pickford, and the impact will be keenly felt by Liverpool, but the narrative makes it seem as though they are the first club that has ever suffered in such a way.

I think the current Liverpool crusading comes across as a bit hollow when you consider they have never said anything when other teams have been the ones getting shafted.

It has happened now, and they need to move on with their season.
 
This injury has seen a uniquely high level of fuss.

I mean, sure, it was a poor challenge by Pickford, and the impact will be keenly felt by Liverpool, but the narrative makes it seem as though they are the first club that has ever suffered in such a way.

I think the current Liverpool crusading comes across as a bit hollow when you consider they have never said anything when other teams have been the ones getting shafted.

It has happened now, and they need to move on with their season.
Might be mind games from klopp to make VVD a martyr which will create a siege mentality in his squad, as he knows his team is completely screwed now.
 
God he's a spiteful little shite isn't he (Robertson.) He's exactly how I would be if I were a pro player.

I randomly watched a "Most unsportmanslike moments in football" clip video the other day, Andy Robertson made up almost half the video :lol:
 
God he's a spiteful little shite isn't he (Robertson.) He's exactly how I would be if I were a pro player.

Worth remembering that if there was retrospective video review of every potential red card incident in that game, Robertson would also miss Liverpool’s next few games. Blatant kick out at Allan which the ref somehow missed.
 
This injury has seen a uniquely high level of fuss.

I mean, sure, it was a poor challenge by Pickford, and the impact will be keenly felt by Liverpool, but the narrative makes it seem as though they are the first club that has ever suffered in such a way.

I think the current Liverpool crusading comes across as a bit hollow when you consider they have never said anything when other teams have been the ones getting shafted.

It has happened now, and they need to move on with their season.

To be fair if Pogatetz made his horror tackle this season we'd be going on just as much. Only difference is we have widespread social media now.
 
Danny Murphy claims he’s the best centre back he’s ever seen :lol:
 
This injury has seen a uniquely high level of fuss.

I mean, sure, it was a poor challenge by Pickford, and the impact will be keenly felt by Liverpool, but the narrative makes it seem as though they are the first club that has ever suffered in such a way.

I think the current Liverpool crusading comes across as a bit hollow when you consider they have never said anything when other teams have been the ones getting shafted.

It has happened now, and they need to move on with their season.

We've seen that type of stuff many times before, haven't we? Liverpool are a notoriously vain and self-glorifying club. Their Suarez support t-shirts, etc. It stems from the fact that just about everyone who's now involved in football media grew up in a time when Liverpool ruled English football, so they're treated with incredible levels of reverence and kid gloves by journos, pundits and so on. They can do no wrong and are bigged up shamelessly by the press, so the club has convinced itself that they're simply superior to the rest. What few United men there are amongst pundits have to be so painfully unbiased and almost anti-United in order to be accepted while former Liverpool players are permitted to be fanatically pro-Liverpool.
 
Worth remembering that if there was retrospective video review of every potential red card incident in that game, Robertson would also miss Liverpool’s next few games. Blatant kick out at Allan which the ref somehow missed.
Yeah he’s a nasty little fecker. Always at it.
 
Can't believe they didn't sign another CB this summer. Or why sell Hoever when it puts you down to 3 senior natural CBs + Fabinho? Makes no sense, especially with Matip's injury history. If Gomez or Fabinho go down they are in massive trouble.
 
I've never known an injury generate so much discussion.
This. Klopp and the other players interviews have been pure cringe also. Saying that they haven't been able to sleep at night etc :lol::lol: . It's a fecking injury which he will recover from, he's not dead ffs.
 
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Out for season and possibly Euros.

Seems like some major assumptions being made in that article (Its the DM after all) - but would be crazy if true. Major blow to Pool and world footie in a way. Sucks when those things happen. At the same time I still feel more bitter about what happened to Shaw against PSV as being a massive injustice than this one. Im probably biased though.
 
Danny Murphy claims he’s the best centre back he’s ever seen :lol:

Let's say this injury did end his peak, in 5 years time he won't even be in the conversation with the likes of Ferdinand, Terry and Kompany.
 
Ledley king managed to play without knees. I’m sure he’ll be ok next season.