Villa to bid for Carrick

As a matter of interest when was the last time we sold a first team player in January?

As for the summer, only god knows.
 
As a matter of interest when was the last time we sold a first team player in January?

As for the summer, only god knows.
 
nope but it's up to him. His charity shield performance was top drawer. If he snaps out of the zombie trance, we don't have to do anything but you can't make the mistakes or be as sloppy as he has been and think the past will mean it's still good enough.
 
Obviously we should weaken our squad significantly in January, it's the sensible and logical thing to do. I mean after all, Carrick has been in shit for 21 and a half months right?

What's that you say, I'm arbitrarily making up a date at which our previously most important CM "turned shit" to support my idiotic opinions about a fantastic player I'm too thick to appreciate who had a couple of bad months at the end of last season? Oh, sorry, I just thought that was the done thing around here.

Anyway, I think we should sell Evra to Everton, he's been crap since the start of the season and was dropped last weekend, so clearly we should write him off. That and our squad can easily take selling another one of the 7 regulars from the most successful period in the club's history.
 
I agree that selling Carrick would be a mistake but the Carrick fanbois on here don't do themselves any favours by playing down the simple truth that his form has been consistently poor for some time now with the odd okay performance. It's not unreasonable to expect him to at least give the standard of performance he gave in his first couple of seasons, especially considering he really should be in his prime right now.
 
evra said:
I agree that selling Carrick would be a mistake but the Carrick fanbois on here don't do themselves any favours by playing down the simple truth that his form has been consistently poor for some time now with the odd okay performance. It's not unreasonable to expect him to at least give the standard of performance he gave in his first couple of seasons, especially considering he really should be in his prime right now.
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Whose denying his form has been bad?
 
His form has been bad since mid-March, that is not "a year" or "18 months" unless your maths is spectacularly inept. It's just people who dislike him as a player trying to strengthen their points with massive exaggeration, pretty standard stuff for those with weak arguments.

Before all this the Carrick-haters simply rambled on about how he "doesn't score enough," which shows perhaps more than anything how football-illiterate they are. Now he's had a couple of patches of bad form bookending last season and they've jumped on it as the ultimate affirmation of his supposed uselessness. I don't think I've ever seen the like of it, a Manchester United players banks three excellent seasons for the club, has one middling year, and is immediately written off by a decent proportion of the club's support. It stands in marked contrast to Carlos Tevez, who had one good season for us, and then one terrible season, yet left most fans clamouring for him to stay, indeed going so far as to shout over SAF's end of season speech. Sir Alex got it right then, and his point still stands, the fans love a "trier," because a huge number of them think that's what a good footballer is.
 
Chabon what makes you think his form has only been poor since March? In my opinion he's been pretty unspectacular for much longer than that. Again I have to point out I like him as a player and I don't want us to sell him!
 
I don't think he should go but if his form stays below par until after Christmas then he's in trouble as SAF won't want to carry him and getting a decent portion of the money back on him might be too tempting.
 
evra said:
Chabon what makes you think his form has only been poor since March? In my opinion he's been pretty unspectacular for much longer than that. Again I have to point out I like him as a player and I don't want us to sell him!
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Well he played rather well against Liverpool (In march) Villa at Wembley, Milan away (in February) and was fantastic against Arsenal and especially City (In January.) That's most of our big games prior to the Bayern games this year, and I don't remember any complaints about his performances in lesser games in that period. So I'd argue that once he returned to the midfield after December he was in pretty good form, not at his best, but he was decent and we were in pretty damned good form. Indeed the only significant poor performance I can think of prior to the Bayern games was Everton away, when most everyone else was sluggish as well.

I'd also argue, although this is rather more debatable, that dropping him for the two premier league games which cost us the title was a terrible mistake and a significant part of that collapse.
 
I think you take it if we already have someone lined up. If we have no one, way bother selling. Wait until the summer.
 
Sell him asap, he already reached his best, 10-12 million would be an acceptable one
 
Everyone who's slating him please be ready to eat yer words he will play a very important role for us again this term and you heard it first here.
 
I think it's probably the best time to sell him, he's never recovered mentaly from the CL final v barca and one of the reason our central midfield is weak is he can't be relied upon anymore.
 
Chabon said:
Well he played rather well against Liverpool (In march) Villa at Wembley, Milan away (in February) and was fantastic against Arsenal and especially City (In January.) That's most of our big games prior to the Bayern games this year, and I don't remember any complaints about his performances in lesser games in that period. So I'd argue that once he returned to the midfield after December he was in pretty good form, not at his best, but he was decent and we were in pretty damned good form. Indeed the only significant poor performance I can think of prior to the Bayern games was Everton away, when most everyone else was sluggish as well.
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I'm a big Carrick fan, but his form was pretty poor all last season. He had one good month around January where he looked to finally be getting back into his groove, but then our injury crisis hit and he was pushed back into the defence and never seemed to recover his form. The occasional good match doesn't hide that.

He wasn't particularly good the season before that either. He started 08/09 quite poorly, slowly improved as the season went on before hitting a fantastic period of form around January-March (probably his best since joining us), then tailed off again towards the end of the season. It was an inconsistent season more than anything.

But as I said, I'm a big Carrick fan and one of my biggest hopes for the season is that he gets back to his best form. He's a hugely important player for us, and if we want to go all the way in Europe in particular we need him to step up.
 
If we can get Rodwell in exchange then I wont lose sleep if he goes but an in form Carrick is a great player for us. Rodwell has way more potential though and with Anderson and Fletcher already looking to improve then we probably could sacrafise Carrick without it affecting us too much.
 
Carrick's a good player when on form, I just don't think he's good enough for us. Malouda, Lampard, Essien are all considerably better than him and are starters for our biggest title rivals. We should have midfield players at least equal to them.

Carricks what 29 now? Realisticly this is the last year / two where we can still ship him for a decent fee and get in a decent replacement. Hate sounding like an FM muppet but there's alot of logic in selling him for a couple of million now, rather than having him stay on as dead weight on decent wages all the time while his value decreases. Also when you consider he's been in poor form for over a year, a month or two is a bad run of form, A year? Looks more like a decline.
 
I understand that many fans in here tend to have various players at heart but the central midfield's problem had gone too far. We can't keep on relying on Scholes/Giggs to create some creativity there for long. Now either players like Carrick start to deliver the goods or else heads will roll and at age 29 Carrick is one of the prime candidates for such role.
 
Redrage said:
Everyone who's slating him please be ready to eat yer words he will play a very important role for us again this term and you heard it first here.
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Well thats one of two ways he can go, he can kick on and return to the Carrick we all know and love - the one who was a important part of our midfield, or he can continue his current form and watch from the bench as a 35 year old takes his place.

Im not a Carrick basher and i think pretty highly of him as i believe he was a important factor in our recent dominance (people say Ronaldo did it all by himself but im not of that school), however, since that home tie to Inter in 2009 he hasnt been the same player. A few good performances but overall pretty shocking by his own standards, its weird because the player who used to be so calm on the ball (even if he was underpressure), able to spray passes about disappeared and was replaced by a player who just seems to go through a game without doing anything of real note (ie key pass, assist or score) and falls apart when the pace of the game around him increases.
 
please please please happen, of all the transfer storys ive read recently this is the one I will be praying for.

He recently claimed he wanted to stay at united for the rest of his career and upon reading this a part of me died inside.
 
I think on form he's a quality player, a top top quality player. I don't think its a coincidence that we signed him promptly won the title 3 years in a row and got to the champions league final twice and then last season when he clearly wasn't on form we did neither. Of course other factors were involved, but I think its a particularly major one that hasn't been properly discussed.
 
Probably would end up warming the bench with Steven Ireland under Houllier.
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
please please please happen, of all the transfer storys ive read recently this is the one I will be praying for.

He recently claimed he wanted to stay at united for the rest of his career and upon reading this a part of me died inside.
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Must have missed 2006-2009. :rolleyes:
Or maybe you just don't understand football very well.

Your stupidity aside, selling Carrick makes very little sense right now when all we'll be left with after this season is Fletcher (who's been awful so far this season... Worse than Carrick's form last season), Anderson (has made no progress since his first season, and for a young player, that's extremely worrying), and Darron Gibson (no comment required).
 
Carrick is going nowhere. This thread is shit. We need someone, but why get rid of a good player. Gibson should go if you ask me
 
johnmufc said:
Must have missed 2006-2009. :rolleyes:
Or maybe you just don't understand football very well.

Your stupidity aside, selling Carrick makes very little sense right now when all we'll be left with after this season is Fletcher (who's been awful so far this season... Worse than Carrick's form last season), Anderson (has made no progress since his first season, and for a young player, that's extremely worrying), and Darron Gibson (no comment required).
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how does it not make sense? If we sell him, we would replace him and its not as if he would be hard to replace.

He was part of our recent success, that is obvious, but he was never anything like an integral part of that sucsess, ever. I mean for the first season he just passed the ball sideways to scholes almost everytime. Then with scholes missing parts of his second season he was forced to become more involved and still did very little. You can wank off over him all you want but look at his stats, how many does he score (hardly any) so with his passing skills you would expect him to have loads of assists ( no, not really) all he does is link play between the defence and rooney and he does it in the most boring, none imposing way I have ever seen, this is not a skill or a skilled roll he does, he has taken the roles of a midfielder and stripped them down to there most simple form and even then done the minimum.
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
He was part of our recent success, that is obvious, but he was never anything like an integral part of that sucsess, ever. I mean for the first season he just passed the ball sideways to scholes almost everytime. Then with scholes missing parts of his second season he was forced to become more involved and still did very little. You can wank off over him all you want but look at his stats, how many does he score (hardly any) so with his passing skills you would expect him to have loads of assists ( no, not really).
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In their first season together Scholes got 7 goal and 6 assits, Carrick 6 of each.

In the second season we won the league and champions league with Scholes and Carrick starting against Chelsea and Barca, two midfields you'd imagine would sweep aside United if Carrick offered feck all help to Scholes.

In our last championship season whilst everyone was going mental for Fletcher it was Carrick that stepped up when it counted. After loosing to Liverpool and Fulham and seeing a 7 point lead over the dippers become a two point lead he got a goal or assist in 4 of the 6 remianing games including the winner against Wigan.

I can see him being sold, cash in whilst there is money to be had
 
You know Liverpool fans never complained about Xabi Alonso (by far the closest player to Carrick the league has had) not scoring enough or making enough assists. That's right, "Neil", you're thicker than Liverpool fans.
 
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