Not to worry Louis Van Ramsay is on him. Victor... What is your name? - "Reek *quivers and huddles by the goal post*"
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Succinctly put and in total agreement here.
What is preventing us from doing just that?
Egos, I suspect.
I was beaten down for saying this...
Rightly so, you said it in July ffs. The fact that he renewed was due to a hysterical comedy of errors unseen before in high level transfers.
It's like me saying there's a chance Messi will sign for us and then bumping the post in 5 years time if we do sign him.
Many United fans thought there was no possibility of him renewing. My point is simply that the possibility was actually quite strong if he stayed at the club.
But the chances of him staying at the club were minuscule, everyone knew that. It was one of the most ridiculous transfer feckups ever that kept him here (happily).
Also, just cheeked the thread. There isn't a single reply to that post you mention, how were you beaten down for saying it?
Sarni, for one, replied to say there is 'no chance' he will renew and there are many others who have said the same thing in other threads.
This isn't a big deal it's just there are many who don't seem to understand player motivation.
I do not agree that the chance of him stayin was 'minuscule'
This isn't a big deal it's just there are many who don't seem to understand player motivation.
I do not agree that the chance of him stayin was 'minuscule'
Loan him to a team who needs a keeper and can loan us their LB in exchange. Some mid-table Spanish side with a crap or injured keeper and a good LB.
With the stories that are coming out today about LvG's orders (training times to not conflict with 1st team players etc.) it's very hard to see anyone coming out of this looking good.
Now the press are saying we'll cancel the contract but block him joining another PL club … this will not end well for the club!
Now the press are saying we'll cancel the contract but block him joining another PL club … this will not end well for the club!
What the hell is he still doing here? Why can't they just GET RID of a player like this? If I was in a house where nobody wanted me to stay I would surely take my stuff and leave.
Valdes, do you understand common people's etiquette??? You're like a freakin' baby. Just leave.
Valdes, do you understand common people's etiquette??? You're like a freakin' baby. Just leave.
Even if you were being paid £50k a week to be in the house? (Or whatever he is paid, I have no idea.)
He should be able to find offers. Wasn't there something coming from Turkey? They're buying anything that has a name to it. I recall Valdes turning that offer down - he was happier being frozen out of our club it seems.
If Valdes is under contract, and the transfer window is closed, then what more can Valdes do but fulfil his contractual obligations?
He was on the plane to sign for them, but according to the BBC, Besiktas pulled something from the initial contract offer at the last minute. I predict it must have been something significant if Valdes didn't travel and go through with it.
The whole thing is just a mess though. Did we sign him just to keep him away from Liverpool?
He was on the plane to sign for them, but according to the BBC, Besiktas pulled something from the initial contract offer at the last minute. I predict it must have been something significant if Valdes didn't travel and go through with it.
The whole thing is just a mess though. Did we sign him just to keep him away from Liverpool?
When he signed the De Gea contract stuff was still up in the air, besides, he needs a place to train and recuperate from his injury. It was a deal that suited both party. He fecked it up refusing to play and LvG can be a vindictive bastard when he feels slighted, but I don't think we were that petty to begin with. What does it matter if Liverpool get an old keeper with a serious injury?
More likely that we signed him to do the job Romero ended up doing.
Valdes is is the victor here... pardon the pun.
Utd plucked him from non-club obscurity, rehabilitated his knee, gave him a contract which no doubt includes a lucrative wage). LVG shot him down in public & essentially ended his career at OT in early summer, his crime? Not playing for the reserves.
Surely this is a breach of his contract... and as such, means it could have been terminated with immediate effect!? Whatever is happening at Utd regarding this, it's a shambles. Valdes has been omitted from the team photo released earlier this week in another 'snub' from Van Gaal.
Rest assured, Valdes cares not for a snub such as that, he's inexplicably laughing all the way to the bank!
Utd plucked him from non-club obscurity, rehabilitated his knee, gave him a contract which no doubt includes a lucrative wage). LVG shot him down in public & essentially ended his career at OT in early summer, his crime? Not playing for the reserves.
Surely this is a breach of his contract... and as such, means it could have been terminated with immediate effect!? Whatever is happening at Utd regarding this, it's a shambles. Valdes has been omitted from the team photo released earlier this week in another 'snub' from Van Gaal.
Rest assured, Valdes cares not for a snub such as that, he's inexplicably laughing all the way to the bank!
We aren't paying his wages, atleast not a big portion of it. Monaco are paying the money, also I dont think it would count as a breach of contract. The manager has the right to decide who plays and doesn't, featuring in the squad photo, training with the reserves, etc doesn't count as a breach in contract. He's still a player with the club.
I wonder if Van Gaal would have been more inclined to agree to sell DDG had Valdes not thrown a tantrum about playing with the reserves last season.
I wonder if Van Gaal would have been more inclined to agree to sell DDG had Valdes not thrown a tantrum about playing with the reserves last season.
EXCLUSIVE: GUILLEM BALAGUE: The truth about Víctor Valdés and Manchester United
With goalkeeper Victor Valdes' nightmare at Manchester United showing no signs of ending, Guillem Balague explains how it got to this point.
By Guillem Balague 2 hours ago Guillem Balague
For most of his career Victor Valdés Arribas has lived the dream.
Now, for the former Barcelona goalkeeper who has won 21 titles, including six La Ligas and three Champions Leagues as well as five Zamora awards for the goalkeeper with the lowest goals per game record in the Spanish league, the dream has turned into a nightmare.
On the precarious tightrope that is football’s fickle fortune, these days he cuts a forlorn figure; ostracised, isolated and marginalized by the club that he had hoped to represent at the highest level.
So how did we get to here? How did one of the greatest goalkeepers in the history of the game end up unwanted at a club where he is now forced to train alone with just a goalkeeping coach for company?
Much has been written about Valdés’ short but controversial spell with Manchester United, a great deal of it based on assumption, rumour and conjecture. Sometimes bald facts blur what is the simple truth which is that as far as he is concerned, firstly, he has nothing but affection for everyone at Manchester United, and, secondly he is 100% fit and raring to continue his career.
The position taken by Louis Van Gaal is purely a footballing one. That Valdés should end up mentally bloodied and deeply affected by events will represent to him no more or no less than yet another example of the collateral damage the game so frequently creates.
So where did it all go wrong?
In truth, from the moment he decided that his days at Barcelona were done, the matter has been handled dreadfully; mistakes were made, mistakes that would prove costly.
Many months before the end of his contract with Barcelona, he had agreed a deal to join Monaco. This was at a time when the French side were very busy in the market, signing players like Radamel Falcao and James Rodriguez and Valdés was to be another jewel in the crown being fashioned in the millionaires’ playground.
Error number one occurred when the deal with Monaco was not correctly tied up. When on the 26th of March 2014 in a match against Celta Vigo, Valdés suffered a freak, serious cruciate knee ligament injury, Monaco had a way out and their interest didn’t so much wane as totally evaporate.
By the time of the injury the club had already started to tone down their profligate spending to the extent that they were now actually selling some of their previous expensive signings and Valdes’ misfortune presented them with the perfect opportunity to backtrack on the deal.
Mistake number two occurred when instead of keeping quiet and just slipping away at the end of his contract he decided to call a press conference to announce his departure. Barcelona were not impressed.
With one year left on his contract Monaco had wanted to sign Valdés for around six to seven million euros but Barcelona were having none of it.
Once recovered from his injury it soon became clear that both Liverpool and Manchester United wanted him. In October he had the option to sign for either of the two clubs. There were direct conversations with Brendan Rodgers and the Liverpool manager was certainly led to believe that Valdés loved Liverpool and would love to join the club.
In the end he opted for Manchester United mainly because of the chance to re-unite with Frans Hoek, the goalkeeping coach at United who he had worked with before.
He also knew that at this particular time David De Gea was thinking about leaving United to join Real Madrid so genuinely believed that United presented a better career opportunity than Liverpool at that point.
So following tests that showed he was 100% fit he signed on the dotted line in January 2015.
His arrival at the club coincided with an upturn in the form of De Gea who had been going through a sticky patch and as a result Louis van Gaal asked Valdés to play in the reserves for the time being.
Eager to get in some match practise and convinced it was only a matter of time before he graduated into the first team the goalkeeper agreed. Neither then, nor now, did he have any problem with the plan and as far as he could see what he was enjoying was a normal, professional relationship with van Gaal.
And then the walls fell in.
In the spring of 2015 in a reserve match, Valdés took a nasty knock to the same knee that caused no real physical damage, but still managed to give him the fright of his life.
Concerned that perhaps playing in the reserves might not now be the best idea now that he had regained his form he suggested to van Gaal that he should return to training with the first team and take his place as number two goalkeeper in the squad behind De Gea, which is no more than normal practise with most clubs.
Van Gaal begged to differ and Valdés himself is no shrinking violet. What followed was an argument for which the phrase irresistible force and immovable object could have been invented. The die was cast.
Van Gaal said nothing but before long it became abundantly clear that the goalkeeper did not figure in his long term plans.
But before then however, an injury sustained by De Gea in the closing quarter of a home match against Arsenal earned him his first team debut and at the same time confirmation that his days at Old Trafford were numbered.
David De Gea and Sergio Romero's form look set to keep Valdes out of the United picture. (Photo by Matthew Peters/Man …
Valdés conceded a goal that he should have prevented and despite his protestations that it was because he had insufficient time to warm up, van Gaal berated him in front of his team mates telling him that, while he might well have been physically fit, not playing in the reserves as he had wanted him to had made him rusty.
When he returned for pre-season training he found himself excluded, his locker removed and not even able to sit down and eat with the other players.
Meanwhile, if he needed any more convincing that his time was up at Old Trafford, then that was supplied with the signing of Sergio Romero as cover for De Gea. An official club picture was also taken recently and Valdes is not in it.
So where now for the 33-year-old keeper?
First and foremost, apart from any situation he may have with Manchester United, he and his legal team still have unfinished business with AS Monaco.
Valdés signed for the French club as a free agent in January 2014 for four seasons. The club’s unilateral decision to renege on the deal following his injury led to proceedings being started against the club in the courts of the Principality as far back as July 5, 2014. A ruling from the court is anticipated sometime in the next few months.
On the playing front, Sevilla and Valencia have expressed an interest but ideally he would like to remain in the Premier League.
There was talk about him going to play in Turkey with Besiktas only for that deal to collapse for a number of contractual reasons and Chelsea have also taken a look but would not make any sort of move until the contractual wrangle between the player and the club are sorted out.
The feeling is that Valdes has been the villain of the piece but in reality it’s just another one of those complex, convoluted footballing situations that could have been handled much better, especially by the manager.
It is also a perfect example of just how huge a part fate plays in the careers of even the very best of players.
Source:https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ex...r-valdés-and-manchester-united-092555208.html
With goalkeeper Victor Valdes' nightmare at Manchester United showing no signs of ending, Guillem Balague explains how it got to this point.
By Guillem Balague 2 hours ago Guillem Balague
For most of his career Victor Valdés Arribas has lived the dream.
Now, for the former Barcelona goalkeeper who has won 21 titles, including six La Ligas and three Champions Leagues as well as five Zamora awards for the goalkeeper with the lowest goals per game record in the Spanish league, the dream has turned into a nightmare.
On the precarious tightrope that is football’s fickle fortune, these days he cuts a forlorn figure; ostracised, isolated and marginalized by the club that he had hoped to represent at the highest level.
So how did we get to here? How did one of the greatest goalkeepers in the history of the game end up unwanted at a club where he is now forced to train alone with just a goalkeeping coach for company?
Much has been written about Valdés’ short but controversial spell with Manchester United, a great deal of it based on assumption, rumour and conjecture. Sometimes bald facts blur what is the simple truth which is that as far as he is concerned, firstly, he has nothing but affection for everyone at Manchester United, and, secondly he is 100% fit and raring to continue his career.
The position taken by Louis Van Gaal is purely a footballing one. That Valdés should end up mentally bloodied and deeply affected by events will represent to him no more or no less than yet another example of the collateral damage the game so frequently creates.
So where did it all go wrong?
In truth, from the moment he decided that his days at Barcelona were done, the matter has been handled dreadfully; mistakes were made, mistakes that would prove costly.
Many months before the end of his contract with Barcelona, he had agreed a deal to join Monaco. This was at a time when the French side were very busy in the market, signing players like Radamel Falcao and James Rodriguez and Valdés was to be another jewel in the crown being fashioned in the millionaires’ playground.
Error number one occurred when the deal with Monaco was not correctly tied up. When on the 26th of March 2014 in a match against Celta Vigo, Valdés suffered a freak, serious cruciate knee ligament injury, Monaco had a way out and their interest didn’t so much wane as totally evaporate.
By the time of the injury the club had already started to tone down their profligate spending to the extent that they were now actually selling some of their previous expensive signings and Valdes’ misfortune presented them with the perfect opportunity to backtrack on the deal.
Mistake number two occurred when instead of keeping quiet and just slipping away at the end of his contract he decided to call a press conference to announce his departure. Barcelona were not impressed.
With one year left on his contract Monaco had wanted to sign Valdés for around six to seven million euros but Barcelona were having none of it.
Once recovered from his injury it soon became clear that both Liverpool and Manchester United wanted him. In October he had the option to sign for either of the two clubs. There were direct conversations with Brendan Rodgers and the Liverpool manager was certainly led to believe that Valdés loved Liverpool and would love to join the club.
In the end he opted for Manchester United mainly because of the chance to re-unite with Frans Hoek, the goalkeeping coach at United who he had worked with before.
He also knew that at this particular time David De Gea was thinking about leaving United to join Real Madrid so genuinely believed that United presented a better career opportunity than Liverpool at that point.
So following tests that showed he was 100% fit he signed on the dotted line in January 2015.
His arrival at the club coincided with an upturn in the form of De Gea who had been going through a sticky patch and as a result Louis van Gaal asked Valdés to play in the reserves for the time being.
Eager to get in some match practise and convinced it was only a matter of time before he graduated into the first team the goalkeeper agreed. Neither then, nor now, did he have any problem with the plan and as far as he could see what he was enjoying was a normal, professional relationship with van Gaal.
And then the walls fell in.
In the spring of 2015 in a reserve match, Valdés took a nasty knock to the same knee that caused no real physical damage, but still managed to give him the fright of his life.
Concerned that perhaps playing in the reserves might not now be the best idea now that he had regained his form he suggested to van Gaal that he should return to training with the first team and take his place as number two goalkeeper in the squad behind De Gea, which is no more than normal practise with most clubs.
Van Gaal begged to differ and Valdés himself is no shrinking violet. What followed was an argument for which the phrase irresistible force and immovable object could have been invented. The die was cast.
Van Gaal said nothing but before long it became abundantly clear that the goalkeeper did not figure in his long term plans.
But before then however, an injury sustained by De Gea in the closing quarter of a home match against Arsenal earned him his first team debut and at the same time confirmation that his days at Old Trafford were numbered.
David De Gea and Sergio Romero's form look set to keep Valdes out of the United picture. (Photo by Matthew Peters/Man …
Valdés conceded a goal that he should have prevented and despite his protestations that it was because he had insufficient time to warm up, van Gaal berated him in front of his team mates telling him that, while he might well have been physically fit, not playing in the reserves as he had wanted him to had made him rusty.
When he returned for pre-season training he found himself excluded, his locker removed and not even able to sit down and eat with the other players.
Meanwhile, if he needed any more convincing that his time was up at Old Trafford, then that was supplied with the signing of Sergio Romero as cover for De Gea. An official club picture was also taken recently and Valdes is not in it.
So where now for the 33-year-old keeper?
First and foremost, apart from any situation he may have with Manchester United, he and his legal team still have unfinished business with AS Monaco.
Valdés signed for the French club as a free agent in January 2014 for four seasons. The club’s unilateral decision to renege on the deal following his injury led to proceedings being started against the club in the courts of the Principality as far back as July 5, 2014. A ruling from the court is anticipated sometime in the next few months.
On the playing front, Sevilla and Valencia have expressed an interest but ideally he would like to remain in the Premier League.
There was talk about him going to play in Turkey with Besiktas only for that deal to collapse for a number of contractual reasons and Chelsea have also taken a look but would not make any sort of move until the contractual wrangle between the player and the club are sorted out.
The feeling is that Valdes has been the villain of the piece but in reality it’s just another one of those complex, convoluted footballing situations that could have been handled much better, especially by the manager.
It is also a perfect example of just how huge a part fate plays in the careers of even the very best of players.
Source:https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ex...r-valdés-and-manchester-united-092555208.html
Van Gal, his reputation long precedes him. Nothing new here
Eh balague himself says the van gaal is not to blame?
Even his best friend, Iniesta said he's not an easy person to deal with. Forgotten he's still at the club.
It sounds a lot like "Valdes was a bit unlucky with injuries and naive with his contracts, but van Gaal is a cnut" to me, just worded a bit more friendly. I mean, even the conclusion quite clearly blames van Gaal:
I've no idea what's true, didn't really follow the whole thing closely. But that article paints van Gaal as the villain and Valdes as the victim, just hides it a bit behind a lot of meaningless words.
Yeah but I think we also have to consider the messenger. The entire article sounded like a fairly accurate description of things naturally getting fecked up until the end where Balague needed to cater to his bias. Can't blame him though, his whole journalistic career is based on keeping personal relationships with Spanish players and their caretakers.
Yeah, completely kicking the player out of team is the right thing for van Gaal to do.
You can have him back if you want..he isnt much use to our reserve team. Its a pity the Besiktas move fell through.
Was De Gea going through a 'sticky patch' when he signed? I can't remember it.
No. probably the best keeper in the league at the time.
I kinda felt bad for him for a bit, but he knew he wasnt wanted before pre season (and that was because of his decision to not play for the reserves)
He had plenty of time to get a new club for himself. If he couldnt get a club, its on him.
Forget about him. He'll linger around for a bit and then move on. Nothing to see here.
He had plenty of time to get a new club for himself. If he couldnt get a club, its on him.
Forget about him. He'll linger around for a bit and then move on. Nothing to see here.
Feel sorry for him but seriously signing him in the first place was a big mistake.
Anyway, United has paid him nicely for doing feck all so it's hardly a tragedy at all. Move on.
Anyway, United has paid him nicely for doing feck all so it's hardly a tragedy at all. Move on.
Eh I feel bad for poor those with poor reading comprehension
When did this happen?
That was for LVG to decide and LVG probably felt it was best for a goalie, who had been out for quite some time with a serious injury, to play a few matches in the reserves to get some match fitness back.
LVG ultimately decided to help Valdes out by providing him with a place to train and rehabilitate himself voluntarily and then decided to sign him to be the back-up for De Gea, thereby potentially saving him from being behind the hell-hole that is Lovren and Skrtel. And Valdes decides that he is now ready to make the manager's choices by himself and deem himself ready for the first team and create an unnecessary confrontation about it - according to Ballague anyway. I find it hard to believe that the blame should go to anyone apart from Valdes here, unless it was LVG sick sadistic master-plan, from the very beginning, to stick Valdes in the reserves for all eternity. LVG should have handled the matter more diplomatically after the confrontation but perhaps he felt it was justified in light of Valdes's actions (god knows what they really were though and I'm not going to take the word of Balague, who is probably going to be biased towards Spanish players anyway and maintains relationships with quite a few players if I'm not wrong).
He said that van gaal agreed to not make him play for the reserves and then when van gaal played valdes in the PL, valdes blamed his rustiness on lack of warm up. That's stupid from valdes and most top managers would have done exactly what van gaal did. He of course tries to add drama to the whole thing balague by adding lines against United here and there but the basic theme of this story is valdes seems to be a nut job who somehow managed to piss off barca, Monaco and United all in a year and now may end up not anywhere top.
That's what I thought. There was no way he was going to be replaced by Valdes. Mind you, there were rumours, unsubstantiated, that Van Gaal wasn't too keen on Dave but I don't think there was any truth in them.
Lmao at removing his locker, excluding him and stopping him from eating with the other players. How pathetic can a manager get?
He was cut, he isn't apart of the team. Why would he be allowed to act like a member of the team? It isn't van Gaal's fault Valdes fecked around all summer and didn't find himself a new club.
Same player who refused to play for the U21s. feck him.
So what? hes still on the pay-roll, treat him like a human being and not some outcast (an outcast presumabley on 80k a week)
For what? He is a nothing, a nobody, he isn't a part of the team. The tea lady doesn't get a locker and to eat lunch with the team either. He was told to get fecked and he didn't, not van Gaal's fault. Who gives a feck if he is on the pay-roll? So because he gets paid he can do what he wants and face no consequences? No, I'm not having that and neither is van Gaal.
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