Victor Osimhen

[Crashoutcassius]

Seems to have scored 13 in 25 excl penalties in turkey. Lots of great headers in there, and a few tap ins. I think for a cut price I'd be happy, for a stupid fee and 250k a week I don't think I would be, especially with how little service he will get here if our performances stay roughly the same.

 

[croadyman]

Seems to have scored 13 in 25 excl penalties in turkey. Lots of great headers in there, and a few tap ins. I think for a cut price I'd be happy, for a stupid fee and 250k a week I don't think I would be, especially with how little service he will get here if our performances stay roughly the same.

I would take him for similar fee to Gyokeres which is around the €60m-€70m mark. Personally feel £250k a week is manageable too provided we could get a couple more of the high earners off the wage bill.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

I would take him for similar fee to Gyokeres which is around the €60m-€70m mark. Personally feel £250k a week is manageable too provided we could get a couple more of the high earners off the wage bill.

It's absolutely manageable, but risk is we get a player with a fair risk of not working out or the next manager not wanting on an unshiftable 5 year huge contract and another big ffp hit. He is a much more proven prospect than gyokeres though.

 

[2 man midfield]

I gave up on Gyokeres, so I will gladly take Osimhen. No Delap please.

I could see us getting both. Cunha, Delap, Osimhen and a centre mid. I don’t think that would stretch things too much, especially if we offload the right players. Our attack needs major investment, while the rest of the team isn’t too bad.

 

[croadyman]

I could see us getting both. Cunha, Delap, Osimhen and a centre mid. I don’t think that would stretch things too much, especially if we offload the right players. Our attack needs major investment, while the rest of the team isn’t too bad.

I think if there was even the slimmest possibility of that happening (no chance) then it would have been touted by Utd sources. Absolutely certain it will be Cunha and only one striker signing.

 

[2 man midfield]

I think if there was even the slimmest possibility of that happening (no chance) then it would have been touted by Utd sources. Certain it will be Cunha and only one striker signing.

It’ll require CL football but I could still see it. Apparently Delap is our number 1 target, but if Osimhen is there to be done as well I can’t see us saying no.

 

[Cassidy]

I think if there was even the slimmest possibility of that happening (no chance) then it would have been touted by Utd sources. Absolutely certain it will be Cunha and only one striker signing.

Wasn’t there something recently about signing 2 strikers. I can see it happening if Hojlund is sold (there have been a bit of smoke around this too).

I can at the very least see a young unknown being signed along with a Delap

 

[croadyman]

It’ll require CL football but I could still see it. Apparently Delap is our number 1 target, but if Osimhen is there to be done as well I can’t see us saying no.

Can't understand him being our number one target at all, agree that we would have to win Europa League to fund it. Like I said earlier very frustrated we can't afford him and Cunha without winning it.

 

[GlazersHater]

Unless he's cheap, and by cheap I mean no more than 40M and 150k wages I don't think we should go for him.

He's a killer but has serious deficiencies to his game, he reminds me of Lukaku. He's a bully against bottom table teams and struggles like hell to score against the actual big teams. For reference he has a record of 4G/2A against the top 4 in serie A in 4 seasons. That's 6 goal involvements in about 32 matches.

He's a striker that unless he's scoring adds very little to the team. Sure we can always use a bully and an aerial threat which we desperately lack, but anyone thinking Osimhen is a top striker is going to be disappointed real fast. There's a reason why no top teams were interested on him and he end up playing in turkey.

Also if we're to believe the multiple reports about him he's had attitude problems in the past.

Much rather go for Gyokeres, who's a much more complete striker. Sure the price for Gyokeres won't be less than 65M but rather make the effort than sign Osimhen and/or Delap.

 

[cpresc]

Given Delap's £30m release clause, I think it's very possible we find a Serie A buy for Hojlund for £30m and basically bring Delap as a zero cost replacement. And have him as a good backup for Osimhen.

Osimhen and Cunha together up front would be a proper handful, which would create so much space for Bruno if he reverts to a 10 - could have decent width too:

-------------------- Osimhen ----------
------------- Cunhna ---- Bruno
Dorgu ------------------------------------- Amad
------------ Mainoo -- Ederson?


Looks pretty tasty


---------------------- Delap ----------
------------- Nacho ---- Mount
Shaw ------------------------------------- Dalot
------------ Colyer -- Ugarte


Still has some bite too

 

[VP89]

Given Delap's £30m release clause, I think it's very possible we find a Serie A buy for Hojlund for £30m and basically bring Delap as a zero cost replacement. And have him as a good backup for Osimhem.

I'd be shocked if a club paid £30m for Hojlund.

 

[croadyman]

Wasn’t there something recently about signing 2 strikers. I can see it happening if Hojlund is sold (there have been a bit of smoke around this too).

I can at the very least see a young unknown being signed along with a Delap

Yeah there was, however think that meant signing two attackers so Cunha and a number 9

 

[Cassidy]

Yeah there was, however think that meant signing two attackers so Cunha and a number 9

If we sell Hojlund we sign more than Cunha and Delap in my opinion. This is also after Sancho, Antony, Rashford going too

 

[cpresc]

I'd be shocked if a club paid £30m for Hojlund.

He was hot stuff in Serie A not long ago and is in budget for them. Not impossible I think.

 

[croadyman]

If we sell Hojlund we sign more than Cunha and Delap in my opinion. This is also after Sancho, Antony, Rashford going too.

Hope you are right, however personally think there's absolutely no chance of two strikers

 

[AkaAkuma]

I dont see it with him.
I think Cunha and Delap give us enough from August to January.
Then reassess.

 

[croadyman]

I dont see it with him.
I think Cunha and Delap give us enough from August to January.
Then reassess.

What don't you see with him?

 

[VP89]

He was hot stuff in Serie A not long ago and is in budget for them. Not impossible I think.

Which Italian club throws £30m at him you reckon?

 

[AkaAkuma]

What don't you see with him?

He would be a statement signing with large fee and wages, which means he would need to succeed. If he fails our development would stall for a couple of years while we get him out.

As a player he gets on the end of chances and is fairly good at holding up. But I dont see much more. I also see potential for him to be found out with more scrutiny.

I think Cunha can add missing creativity and goals whilst Delap could at minimum contribute like he has for Ipswich. With his fee, age and nationality he would be perfect to mold into squad depth even if he cant be our number 1 striker.

these 2 would be enough to progress and allow us time to find the ideal leading striker.

 

[AkaAkuma]

Which Italian club throws £30m at him you reckon?

I think Juve. They need a role of the dice to improve their fortunes and might see him as undervalued.

Theyd need to move Vlahovic on though?

 

[cpresc]

Which Italian club throws £30m at him you reckon?

Napoli

Flush after their recent PSG sale, Osimhen's wages off the books, feeling good about the McT deal and looking for another good value Utd export. I reckon they'd bite our hand off at 30 tbh - especially if Osimhen transfer fee gets wangled for FFP

 

[Gandalf]

Napoli

Flush after their recent PSG sale, Osimhen's wages off the books, feeling good about the McT deal and looking for another good value Utd export. I reckon they'd bite our hand off at 30 tbh - especially if Osimhen transfer fee gets wangled for FFP

30M leaves us upside down in PSR terms and we still owe 39M in instalments so we are out in real cash terms too. My guess is a loan to Italy this year.

 

[cpresc]

30M leaves us upside down in PSR terms and we still owe 39M in instalments so we are out in real cash terms too. My guess is a loan to Italy this year.

Urgh.. I'm no accountant and don't look at this stuff at all but that sounds like a deal that won't happen then. Yeah maybe a loan is a good option, like Antony, he can only get better and drive his value up.

 

[VP89]

Napoli

Flush after their recent PSG sale, Osimhen's wages off the books, feeling good about the McT deal and looking for another good value Utd export. I reckon they'd bite our hand off at 30 tbh - especially if Osimhen transfer fee gets wangled for FFP

They need to replace krava and will probably go for Garnacho. They also have Lukaku so I find it highly unlikely they spunk £30m on a second striker

 

[Chairman Steve]

On paper he looks good and is the obvious fit, but I’m concerned he will demand a huge wage, and wages is something we need to get control of (or rather we are starting to do under INEOS)

If the stories are true about him seriously considering Saudi as a destination, then I would bow out as it would tell me that he’s a little too money motivated.

 

[Woziak]

Urgh.. I'm no accountant and don't look at this stuff at all but that sounds like a deal that won't happen then. Yeah maybe a loan is a good option, like Antony, he can only get better and drive his value up.

The £30m doesn’t help the club’s PSR situation however this accounting year is From 1st July 2024 to 30th June 2025. Both Greenwood and McTominay transfer fees will both go into this last accounting year as would any transfer that we sell before end of June 2025, the whole transfer budget is a little bit skewed by accounting dates and also the overall net position.

So for example if United managed to sell Marcus Rashford before 30th June for £40m then in last years accounts the club would have £27m from Scott MCtominay, £23m from Mason Greenwood and £40m from Marcus all representing 100% net profit of £90m to go against the sales that we made last year of ;

Lenny Yoro - £52m over 5 years is £10.4m (18th July 2024)
Manuel Ugarte £42m over 5 years is £8.4m
(30th August 2024)
Joshua Zirkzee £36m over 5 Years is £7.2m
(14th July 2024)
N Mazroui. £12.7m over 4 Years is £3.2m
(3rd August 2024)
MDL £38.6m over 5 years is £7.5m
(3rd August 2024)
P Dorgu £25.2m over 5.5 years is £5.04m
(2nd February 2025)

The club then paid £1.7m in compensation for Chido Obi, £1m for S Kone and just over £1m

A rough work through would be the club spent maybe £44.5m plus Agent Fees but received from selling the following players;

Greenwood - £23m, McTominay £27m,
W Kambwala - £8.4m, Will Fish - 2m,
M Oyedele - £1m, A Fernandes £5.3m

We also sold DVB at huge loss, maybe £7.5m as he had 1 year left on contract and club only received £0.5m, Hannibal at a profit as his transfer was paid so £5.4m and AWB for £15m net profit as his contract of £50m was paid up in full in 2024.

If we assume that the reported agent fees last year were £33m added to £44.5m annual transfer costs then the total bill was £77.5m outlay for new players minus the incoming transfers and significant losses on certain players like DVB.

My best guess and we won’t know until this year accounts are released is that the club probably balanced the books at receiving £80-81m hence there was no PSR issues last season and with all the financial cutbacks with employees, the club may be able to spend £100m on two marquee attackers before June 30th as this would probably be an additional annual cost of £20-25m and possibly balanced by Sancho £10m profit this year and financial cutbacks backs.

We also sold Facundo Pellistri for £5.1m
and owed £2.25m on his yearly book cost so another small profit of £2.85m which I’ve added into the overall number of £80-81m.

Selling Rasmus this summer for £30m would probably show as a loss of £12m on this years accounts and create a huge issue just like selling Antony for £20m , this would show a loss of £9-10m, Casemiro for free would show a loss of £15m, Sancho can be sold for £15m and this would be a neutral position financially so if £25m is triggered by Chelsea that’s a big help for a United this summer.

The club can’t keep posting accounts with huge losses so this summer is critical and I can see the club selling at least two academy players with one being sold before July 1st 2025.

Antony will only be sold for £30-35m, the Same applies to A Onana, Casemiro will be £15m. These players will either stay or be loaned, same as Mason Mount, we would need £33m to sell Mason.

I hope this helps.

 

[Woziak]

Which Italian club throws £30m at him you reckon?

Really doesn’t matter, the club can’t afford to sell him for that figure he’ll be loaned out with an obligation/Option to buy hoping he will regain form.

 

[Insanity]

Accounting for PSR is done on an individual sale/purchase?
@Woziak

I would think it would be overall loss or profit based on revenue, not based on individual player sales and purchases.

 

[VP89]

Really doesn’t matter, the club can’t afford to sell him for that figure he’ll be loaned out with an obligation/Option to buy hoping he will regain form.

Youl need to break this out for me. What benefit does a loan have? We can offload some wages? That's all? Surely we are better of selling hypothetically at £30m

 

[Telsim]

What don't you see with him?

For me, there are too many question marks considering the financial package. He is a lethal finisher, but his overall game is quite lacking. I think his deficiencies will be made even more apparent in the Premier League and in this United team in particular. Also, he has never really played in a physical league and he will suddenly make the jump to arguably the most physical one. I don't think he can handle it.

Between Osimhen and Delap, I'd take Osimhen, assuming he isn't prohibitively expensive. United need an experienced striker, not another project. But I'd really look elsewhere. Then again, as far as I'm concerned, it's Gyokeres or bust.

 

[Insanity]

Youl need to break this out for me. What benefit does a loan have? We can offload some wages? That's all? Surely we are better of selling hypothetically at £30m

Accounting is not done like that. It is something completely concocted by internet accountants,, fueled by misrepresentation by journalists to create hits and talking points.

It's the overall amortization: remaining from the previous years and the current purchases that is offset against the overall revenue (from operations, sponsorships, player sales etc.). There is no way it is calculated on individual player basis.

 

[Woziak]

Youl need to break this out for me. What benefit does a loan have? We can offload some wages? That's all? Surely we are better of selling hypothetically at £30m

Ok
Man United Bought Rasmus Hojlund on 5th August 2023 for an initial fee of £64m rising to £72m on a 5+1 year contract.

This means that every year the asset(the player) is listed in our yearly accounts at a cost of £12.8m. He has currently played out two years of his contract when the season finishes. This means the club can only sell the player at £38.4m for the player transaction to be shown as a neutral cost. If we sold him for £30m, the club would show a loss of £8.4m on next years accounts before the season has started.

This is the main reason teams like Chelsea and United now want to buy young players at 19-23 as soon as you’ve paid off their costs, and then you renew a contract like Amad Dialo you have an asset who maybe only 22/23 years old worth £50-60m and that represents pure profit even though you may have some ancillary payments due to bonus clauses in exactly the same way an academy player allows you to generate.

 

[HackeyC]

Given Delap's £30m release clause, I think it's very possible we find a Serie A buy for Hojlund for £30m and basically bring Delap as a zero cost replacement. And have him as a good backup for Osimhen.

Osimhen and Cunha together up front would be a proper handful, which would create so much space for Bruno if he reverts to a 10 - could have decent width too:

-------------------- Osimhen ----------
------------- Cunhna ---- Bruno
Dorgu ------------------------------------- Amad
------------ Mainoo -- Ederson?


Looks pretty tasty


---------------------- Delap ----------
------------- Nacho ---- Mount
Shaw ------------------------------------- Dalot
------------ Colyer -- Ugarte


Still has some bite too

nobody is paying more than £10m-£15m for Hojlund. The best we could do would be something like a £10m sale with a 50% sell on clause.

 

[Woziak]

Accounting for PSR is done on an individual sale/purchase?
@Woziak

I would think it would be overall loss or profit based on revenue, not based on individual player sales and purchases.

Your 100% correct but the player sales and purchasing makes up a considerable part of the PSR test plus as the EPL moves towards a UEFA style squad ratio test, player sales and purchases will become more important to yearly accounts.

I just tried to show the costs of players and how their contract length can influence major selling decisions as individually they can affect the bottom line but a mass sale at 50% off the yearly asset accounted cost would have a major impact on PSR.

This is why we are not having a 50% summer sale with Hojlund for £15m, Casemiro for £5m, A Onana £15m as much as United fans might just want the players removed from the club, it’s simply not that easy.

 

[The Original]

Seems to have scored 13 in 25 excl penalties in turkey. Lots of great headers in there, and a few tap ins. I think for a cut price I'd be happy, for a stupid fee and 250k a week I don't think I would be, especially with how little service he will get here if our performances stay roughly the same.

Not quite. His non-penalty tally is 15, having taken and scored 6 pens in the league.

 

[Tincanalley]

I could see us getting both. Cunha, Delap, Osimhen and a centre mid. I don’t think that would stretch things too much, especially if we offload the right players. Our attack needs major investment, while the rest of the team isn’t too bad.

Very positive post. It’s a key season whatever way you look at it. Squeeze eyes tight and dream it real. Let’s hope for a bit of Luck, too plus good judgement

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[LARulz]

If we get him I imagine Garnacho will be sold to them

 

[LordSpud]

I trust 86Longo

 

[croadyman]

Very positive post. It’s a key season whatever way you look at it. Squeeze eyes tight and dream it real. Let’s hope for a bit of Luck, too plus good judgement

I wish we were thinking about still bringing him in with Champions League even if we sign Delap at start of window, however let's be real that's not happening much as we want it.