Victor Lindelöf
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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If you actually think that then you haven't really watched him in the last 2 years.
You can't win in the EPL with a team of smurfs but Mou does take it too far.
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Lindelof - bailey - Rojo - Blind
= hell for attackers
Lindelof - bailey - Rojo - Blind
= hell for attackers
Ok let me clarify. He doesn't have the confidence to make the kind of passes required of a DM. Maybe he could learn to play he position and be good in it but right now, he's just not a DM. He doesn't know how to play in that position
1. He makes all kinds of passes and is quite adventurous. You are taking the piss if you think he isn't able to pass the ball well enough for a DM. Even someone who doesn't rate Blind at all would probably agree that Blind is very good to excellent at passing.
2. He has played as a DM quite a lot. Was the player of the season in eredivisie playing in that position and had one of the highest number of interceptions in the league in his first season mostly playing as a DM.
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What @prath92 said pretty much. I can understand peoples reservations about his physicality in that role, fine. But when you question his ability on the ball? You start to look silly.
You literally have to click the first video on YouTube after searching 'Daley Blind Passing' to see his quality with ball at feet playing CB, LB and, you you guessed it, DM. Along with Pogba he's got the best passing range in the team and he isn't afraid to use it.
That last line seems pretty definitive!
Never seen him play in eredivisie. Seen him play at DM for united under LVG and he never looked good enough for united there. In fact, looked like a defender being played out of position most of the time.
You're manchester united, not southampton. You should have a player as good as peak carrick as your starter, and a backup as good as current carrick, at least.
Can you name these games please? Your link showed 10 games at CB and 2 games at LB. Feel free to reply to me in the Rojo thread or pm if you don't want to derail the thread.
Has anyone got anything definite on why the talked about fee is more than last reported release clause?
Hoping it's wrong as we took the piss out of Moyes (re Fellaini).
Hoping it's wrong as we took the piss out of Moyes (re Fellaini).
Because the release clause doesn't come in to place until the Summer and United don't want to risk him going elsewhere.
Makes sense really, what is £10M +/- to United? Peanuts.
Really not sold on this lad. Don't fancy both of our starting CB's being under 23 and practically inexperienced in EPL.
I'm one of the vocal few in the Blind thread that doesn't think he's good enough as a DM; but I just wanted to say that this is spot on. My concern about him in that position was never his passing, which is one of his greatest strengths. It's his reading of the game, and positional sense in the role that concerns me. He reads it excellently as a centre back, where all the play is in front of him, but at DM where play comes from all directions, he looked substandard to me when he played there for us. Understand he did well in the Dutch league there, but I don't think we can hold too much stock in that.
Anyway, good post.
Have we dropped Jones already then? Think this lad has got his work cut out for him to replace Phil if he can stay injury free. Think he'll get as many games at right back as he does CB in the first 12 months.
Isn't that just speculation?
But Jones has some experience in EPL and he had the chance to learn from Rio and Vidić.
This lad vs. Jones both injury free in the long run - I'd take Jones every time.
Interesting. From what i've seen it's the other way around. As a DM, good positional sense and reading when not in possession, bad reading and decision making in possession. As a CB, good reading and decision making in possession, horrible positional sense, reading and decision making when not in possession.
Is it just a matter of me only seeing his worst games then?
Even if you haven't seen him, he won the Dutch player of the year playing as a DM in a league where even guys like Altidore scores for fun.
The guy is barely older than Carrick was when he moved from Spurs. Carrick had his best seasons as he got older 2010 or so.
I would say that Blind in his last 2 years at CB has improved tremendously defensively. He is quite capable. I mean RM has Casemiro in their team. He is better than casemiro.
Yes. It's fair to have reservations regarding his physicality and pace. Though he does well to nullify it a lot, it can come to haunt him in a few games at least. But passing wise I think he is more than capable of replacing Carrick. Plus as I said I think Carrick had his best seasons around the time Scholes was getting phased out. It's a role which you get better with age. And I also believe that his stint has made Blind a better defender.
what the feck?
you make it sound like we have sold Jones Smalling and Rojo already or decided to bench them all to put Eric and Victor starting together come January 1st
Carrick was already a WC DM/CM when you signed him, he just got even better afterwards. Is Blind a world class DM already? I mean, sure, he might reach that level, but do you think it likely?
I really must have only seen his bad games then
because everytime i saw him at CB, he looked clearly subpar. Dreadful at timesCasemiro is a pure destroyer who only gets to play because we have kroos and modric next to him and 3 forwards with a poor workrate. When even one of those 3 is out, we're actually better off with kovacic in his place. And he IS a truly great destroyer anyways
Disagree here. We did not buy a world class Carrick from Spurs. He got better with age.
Carrick was already a WC DM/CM when you signed him, he just got even better afterwards. Is Blind a world class DM already? I mean, sure, he might reach that level, but do you think it likely?
I really must have only seen his bad games then
Casemiro is a pure destroyer who only gets to play because we have kroos and modric next to him and 3 forwards with a poor workrate. When even one of those 3 is out, we're actually better off with kovacic in his place. And he IS a truly great destroyer anyways
I don't think Carrick was world class when we signed him. He was good but Spurs were thought to have fleeced us as people thought that huddlestone was a better CM. He was a good CM but he grew into a new level later on in his career. Tbh I think Carrick at 35 is a much better player than 25. Blind right now isn't world class but he is good imo. Whenever he fills in at whatever position, CB or LB, he mostly puts in a very good performance with little critiscism. At worse he is a very dependable squad player. But I think he is much more than that.
I don't think he was subpar. Even this season he played quite a few games at CB and was mostly ok. He did have mistakes but he was more or less solid in most games. He isn't starting now because Rojo and Jones have an excellent partnership flourishing.
That's the point. Casemiro is good when he plays with the right set of players. So it's not just the players but the set up. Milner is a decent winger but he flourishes as a LB in Klopp s setup. Similarly Blind could well flourish in a midfield of herrera and Pogba. His first season mainly saw di Maria in CM who does nothing defensively unlike Pogba.
Carrick was already a WC DM/CM when you signed him, he just got even better afterwards. Is Blind a world class DM already? I mean, sure, he might reach that level, but do you think it likely?
I really must have only seen his bad games then
Casemiro is a pure destroyer who only gets to play because we have kroos and modric next to him and 3 forwards with a poor workrate. When even one of those 3 is out, we're actually better off with kovacic in his place. And he IS a truly great destroyer anyways
Carrick was nowhere near world class when we signed him.
And with regards to Blind - he was far from poor never mind dreadful.
His first season with you he was already great. Then he went up a level. Most underrated midfielder of the past 10 years
@prath92 to play DM with pogba and herrera he'd need to turn into a DLP, kinda like carrick. You reckon he's gonna get there? I think you'd be better off signing weigl and having mourinho teach him the defensive aspects of the position, keep carrick as his backup for another season and then see what you can make of fosuh-mensah
He looked the weakest member of our team in his first season, just doing a job while Scholes dominated.
Carrick definitely wasn't world class when we signed him.
I dont agree. Carrick has always been excellent imo. Crazy underrated player.
Only on the caf could this thread have turned into a Michael Carrick fest..
Hmm. This is going to be quite interesting if it happens. I think he can do well if given time but I'm not sure he is ready to step up right away. The money involved sure is rather surprising though! I did not see this coming 12 months ago.
A lot of people writing him of having not seen him (or probably heard of him a week ago).
A lot of people also became overnight experts on Bailly once we were linked to him.
A lot of people also became overnight experts on Bailly once we were linked to him.
Barely won the ball, sideways passing to Scholes. He vastly improved and took on more responsibility after his first season
He really wasn't. Underrated? Yes, world class in all his time here? Definitely not. For a few seasons, he was the king of crab passes and I remember some fans saying we got done by Levy.
Mind sharing how often you've watched this lad play to come to that conclusion?
You better beleive it!
Today's game seemed like a goodbye. Had a good game btw best in a while
His agent has now confirmed that he has a a transfer proposal, but won't reveal the interested club. To add to the rumours... Man Utd was represented at the Stadium Light, although that is pretty common
He is my fav Benfica's CB and will be an important loss. Really hate when we weaken the squad mid-season and it has happened almost every year... Matic, David Luiz, Enzo Perez all transfered in January. I'd say there are very good chances this deal will be confirmed
A final note about the price... Anything above 30m€ is fair and will be accepted (welcomed) by Benfica fans
His agent has now confirmed that he has a a transfer proposal, but won't reveal the interested club. To add to the rumours... Man Utd was represented at the Stadium Light, although that is pretty common
He is my fav Benfica's CB and will be an important loss. Really hate when we weaken the squad mid-season and it has happened almost every year... Matic, David Luiz, Enzo Perez all transfered in January. I'd say there are very good chances this deal will be confirmed
A final note about the price... Anything above 30m€ is fair and will be accepted (welcomed
) by Benfica fansCarrick was nowhere near world class when we signed him -he was good, not great, and was even derided for wearing the number 16 despite seeming like a wet lettuce in comparison with Keane. He didn't fully hit his stride for about 2 or 3 seasons and even then he never got near world class. He was very good though.
Strange there's no post match comments about this
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