Yeah he did and yes it does
It coincided with the other classic, Gallas #10 at Arsenal.Victor Lindelöf
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Yeah he did and yes it does
It coincided with the other classic, Gallas #10 at Arsenal.Hummels is 27 and was about to enter the last year of his contract. Lindelöf is 22 and has 3,5 years left on his deal. These factors influence the price.
I have seen him play plenty - and the idea of spending £40 million on him is just insane. He simply isn't better than what we have.
It's still a bit of Premiere Legue tax, if Bayern should buy Süle for €25m.
Oh there's absolutely that, too. Hummels was not a great comparison for the reasons mentioned. Hummels also pushed for a transfer to Bayern so Dortmund had very little options but to sell him to Bayern. Drove the price down as well.
It's always worrying when you don't have at least one expert on the player relentlessly defending them throughout the thread...
I think he's been excellent for the last 9 games and he had some good games at CB for us in his first season, at the end of the season we should evaluate how he's done, if we judged defenders purely on their rash moments then Vidic would have been sold, he had that red flash as well, lets see how the rest of the season plays out, but Rojo should be sold if LB were his only position here, he's dreadful in that role and has stunk in it consistently for us. You seem to have a liking for this negative CB as a FB thing that Mou has done but he can leave that out at United, get Semedo to compete with Tony and get a proper LB to compete with Shaw.
Sigh, a little worrying that
We have great consistency with Rojo and Jones starting together with every game with freaking Baily and Smalling on the bench. Tough call this one.
We pay Premier League tax and then we pay Manchester United tax. I don't know if I'll ever get used to these stupid prices teams in the Premier League pay for players.Yeah he did and yes it does
Don't think you meant to quote me mate
Jose is shit at buying defenders all of a sudden then
Not sure where I said that but ok...
supposed to be the new Rio Ferdinand.
Mark Ogden:
Anyone who thinks Rojo and jones are good enough long term are nuts yes they're having a good spell togeather but let's be honest Rojo should of been sent of twice already and jones scares me everytime he's on the ball. I haven't seen this guy play so I can't say if he's worth it etc but i trust Jose I didn't have a clue who Bailly was and that turned out okay.
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Obviously this is slightly different but in 2011 they sold David Luiz in the winter and then sold Fabio Coentrao in the summer. So they have shown before they don't have a problem selling two of their starting back four.
Smalling is simply not good enough for united, Jones might be but is too injury prone, rojo is good back up, blind is dire at CB. United do need a top CB, esecially given that valencia isn't all that good a defender, whoever plays at LB is worse and carrick is like 10000 years old. I'm just not sure it's smart to partner two 23 year olds in the one position where experience trumps everything else. Also i have no idea how good this kid is, but there were a lot of teams interested, so he has to have some qualities
It is a tricky situation this one
If we want to get back to where we was, we need to replicate a partnership as close to the Rio Vidic one as possible.
We are doing well at the moment, which hypes up Jones and Rojo. Bailly who has come in and done fantastic and then we have Smalling who has been solid for the last two years.
The problem is, are they close to Rio and Vidic, no, but in the same argument, we was fortunate to have such a great pair, and it will always be a push to get anywhere near that defence.
I don't know how good this Lindelof is though, so I can't really comment. United bought him on my FM save, so in my opinion, the deal is as good as done.
If we want to get back to where we was, we need to replicate a partnership as close to the Rio Vidic one as possible.
We are doing well at the moment, which hypes up Jones and Rojo. Bailly who has come in and done fantastic and then we have Smalling who has been solid for the last two years.
The problem is, are they close to Rio and Vidic, no, but in the same argument, we was fortunate to have such a great pair, and it will always be a push to get anywhere near that defence.
I don't know how good this Lindelof is though, so I can't really comment. United bought him on my FM save, so in my opinion, the deal is as good as done.
He tried for stones after stones the summer after his best ever season
Clearly, we are overpaying if we actually pay €40m. just like Martial. Dembele went for €15m.
think Smalling will be gone.
I think Dembele's low fee was something to do with Dortmund, Puma and the Rennes' presidents Puma connections.
I hope not but in truth I dont expect him to be satisfied with a squad role so I think it's realistic he goes... but I suspect the summer rather than jan
Interesting bit from the Ogden article, makes sense too.
Not really, Mourinho's teams in the past all had a very clear well defined central pairing. Surely if he wanted competition, it would have been noticeable from his previous team selections? Add to that the fact that there is virtually no top team in the planet who has 4 defenders competing for those 2 positions and it makes no sense.
I think it's more of a case of this team being weak mentally and used to failing and still getting starts. If players feel they have to perform to start it will seperate the Wheat from the chaff, we've seen it with Rooney, Herrera didn't start the season ahead of Fellaini, Darmian has gotten a chance to move ahead of Blind, Rojo has been allowed to win his spot as the LCB over Blind, Mkhitaryan had to earn the RW spot and now Lingard has taken his chance ahead of Martial, Mata and Rashford, Jose is setting up a survival of the fittest situation, the ones that don't cut it will get cut as he shapes the squad.
I pleased Jones/Rojo have done well while Bailly/Smalling were injured. We already know what Bailly can do. If Jose wants Lidelof, he's going to start along side of Bailly. I like this deal a lot better than the Fonte rumors.
I think Smalling's "toughness" and overall attitude as a CB didn't rub well with Jose. He played really well in recent years but I don't think he has a level of "toughness" that most CBs Mourinho seems to prefer.
Smalling, Jones, Bailly, Lindelof with Rojo as CB and fullback cover. Bailly can play right back ad well. That leaves Blind as second or third choice LB. Blind might be on the market, but I hope I'm wrong.
He was the U21 Sweden Captain so he has leadership skills, I do think we need that at the back. I hope he's the sort to organise his backline and be vocal like Rio. If we don't buy leaders we won't have a good Captain in the future.
2 of which he should end up red carded. Mou is Portuguese and he's somehow has a similar culture to mine. So here's the drill.
a- Defences need stability, stability comes from 4 back four playing together week in week out
b- Mourinho seems even more obsessed about it then the run of the mill Spanish/Portuguese/Italian manager. On top of a stable backline he likes to add a converted CB as full back. He's been doing that for quite some time (Gallas, Chivu, Ramos, Ivanovic etc)
c- For some reason (shitness from our defenders, injury prone players) we fail to have a regular back four. We had been failing to do so for 3 years now
Hence he's adding new people to the defence.
What's the concept behind a converted CB as full back. I only understand doing it with young CBs to help their overall development and as a low risk entry into the team. What tactical use does it have? Are there any exceptions to him doing this?
It's as much to do with height as anything else. The PL is physical and teams put you under pressure - having an additional centre back on the pitch provides some cover against teams who try to pin you in with balls into the box. I think the other factor is balance - ultimately teams cannot have both full backs flying down the wing as it leaves you open to counter attack. If you watch Utd this season, we tend to leave one full back at the half way line rather than both overlapping.
PS. Our most successful season in the last 10 years had 3 centre backs in the back 4.
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Like @nl_Max and Deepay?
Take it with a pinch of salt. Lets see what the final fee comes down to.
He is a troll IIRC.
Correct, proven idiot
Not really, not a journalist but an ex fifa agent. I wouldnt take him too seriously nor dismiss him completely.
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