Robindinho
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Don’t really know why we signed him to be honest. We have Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo and then Axel coming through... I’m sure he’s better than what he’s shown so far but £30m for a 4/5th choice?
The same City who played him yesterday and suffered?Give him all the time in the world to settle in but there's absolutely nothing in him to suggest he's good enough for us. I'd love to be proven wrong but I just can't see it happening.
My point is we shouldn't waste our time on dross like him. City got rid of Mangala fast, we should get rid of him pronto and move forward.
Mangala is still on City's books.Give him all the time in the world to settle in but there's absolutely nothing in him to suggest he's good enough for us. I'd love to be proven wrong but I just can't see it happening.
My point is we shouldn't waste our time on dross like him. City got rid of Mangala fast, we should get rid of him pronto and move forward.
Sorry, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here and that's saying something. I don't even know where to start.....
As if our full backs aren't already bad enough, why not put our worst first team player in that position...He is comfortable on the ball and stepped out of defence quite nicely in the second half. I’m wondering OMG Mourinho should use him at RB for a while until he is fully acclimatised.
Don’t really know why we signed him to be honest. We have Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo and then Axel coming through... I’m sure he’s better than what he’s shown so far but £30m for a 4/5th choice?
I don't know how seriously I can take a report that says:
"Not to be deceived by his lanky frame, he has a good amount of pace too"
"He has the natural pace to track runners..."
I mean, it's obvious he's not pacy. And that can have nothing to do with his adaptation, form or confidence... he's just not fast. Like if you read a scout report describing Mertesacker as pacy, you'd start doubting the author's judgement or wondering if he's ever actually seen him play.
a reasonable time to judge a player not that it would satisfy the impatient generationHe has looked extremely nervous and error prone so far. Guess which other player looked that nervous and made that many mistakes early on at Utd? De Gea.
I'm all for giving him time and seeing at the end of the season if he can overcome this.
Go on have a go.....I am fed up of this "Liverpool-itis" syndrome that's creeping in
Keane, Schmeichel, Stam, RvN, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney, RvP, Giggs, Scholes.....etc.....that is the level you need to be to play for this club and we should accept nothing less. We're not a crèche we're we gently prune players for 5/6 yrs until finally they start turning out half decent performances. We're not a team that should be happy with one good performance in three and players hiding every time the going gets tough.
As I've said before, Lindelof is not a Man Utd footballer. Not now, not next year and not in 5yrs time. If you want to persist with him like we have done with Shaw, like we have with other senior players who are lucky not to have already been shown the door then we are accepting that we are no longer an elite club with elite level players
And btw, it's a little unfair to even compare Shaw and Lindelof because at least Shaw demonstrated some talent once!
Give him all the time in the world to settle in but there's absolutely nothing in him to suggest he's good enough for us. I'd love to be proven wrong but I just can't see it happening.
My point is we shouldn't waste our time on dross like him. City got rid of Mangala fast, we should get rid of him pronto and move forward.
Man gala was given a season. Jaysus man United just spent over 30M for this guy and you'd have him sold in January! I think he'll come good. He's had a better start than Vidic so far (and no I'm not comparing them as players)
Man gala was given a season. Jaysus man United just spent over 30M for this guy and you'd have him sold in January! I think he'll come good. He's had a better start than Vidic so far (and no I'm not comparing them as players)
He has been bang average in the league and very poor in only one outing. The CL is another matter as he's looked composed there. So far we've only conceded in one competitive game he's started (two if you count the Super cup against Real). Vidic really struggled in his first three or so months at United. In his debut David Bentley scored a hattrick and United lost 4-3 to Rovers. The entire defense was shambolic that day. Vidic was easily out muscled and lacked recovery pace, hence why he only got better after working on his strength. He struggled in training and was even sent to the reserves where he got subbed at halftime! @Kag surely you've forgotten Vidics struggles that extended even to training. He admitted that he felt like he made an enormous mistake coming to England (after struggling in the reserve game I mentioned). Hitting the weights saved himLol, no Vidic wasnt half as bad as people say he wa.
Im not a fortune teller, dont know how good or bad Lindelof will be in the future but so far he has been poor. No point in arguing this.
He has looked extremely nervous and error prone so far. Guess which other player looked that nervous and made that many mistakes early on at Utd? De Gea.
I'm all for giving him time and seeing at the end of the season if he can overcome this.
We don't need to be overly pessimistic, though. Lindelöf's been used in the Champions, where the play is different and he's useful, and also in the League Cup, where he could slowly gain confidence and the physical courage required to do it here. I mean, put him in a room with Zlatan, if needed.That's rubbish - De Gea's body language was always positive; Lindelof looks like a slapped puppy. And De Gea made fewer mistakes actually leading to a goal in his first season than Lindelof in the Huddersfield game. The truth is that @Android1974 got it right back in June - Lindelof is a project and we shouldn't have expected to see him in the Prem for at least a year. Unfortunately, now that teams know how to put him under pressure, he's probably worse than useless for the foreseeable future. Maybe by next season he'll have bulked up and learned how to defend at which point he could be a very useful player.
We don't need to be overly pessimistic, though. Lindelöf's been used in the Champions, where the play is different and he's useful, and also in the League Cup, where he could slowly gain confidence and the physical courage required to do it here. I mean, put him in a room with Zlatan, if needed.
Eh..."Liverpool-itis"? I like the list you've put but it's seems the only syndrome you are stuck in is the "pre 92 syndrome". Honestly it's posts like this that makes me have a love/hate relationship about being so successful and some of my city friends feel exactly the same. Success brings along a generation of fans that want the instant gratification that comes with winning things. They forget the success of the club has been built on many examples where patience has been the strength and not its weakness. For example, If you adopted your mentality, the greatest manager in British history would have been sacked from here after a bad start.
Already said, but it's not unusual for players to have difficult starts and we know the prem finds people out. That said how different would our history look if from your list there was no Schmeichel and Stam for example both of which didn't have great starts. Best current example is DDG who's start was even worse than Victors.
Not saying he's going to turn out ok, just saying it's ridiculously too early to say. Elite club needs elite players but it needs elite fans too. Elite fans are about balance, patience and supporting the club and it's players not only when they are winning. Yep it's frustrating and his error was costly last weekend and I'm sure Victor isn't happy about his performances but equally would appreciate the 'support' during this difficult transition. You never know, he might turn out to be a decent signing.
Oh, if you can spot that he'll never be good enough after a few games, send your cv to Jose and tell him sack his scouts as you clearly can do something that they clearly can't. Also with your same powers inbox me this weekends lottery numbers using your ability to read into the future....
The same City who played him yesterday and suffered?
Mangala is still on City's books.
He's had a bad start, but we've spent the money and he's still relatively young, so we may as well give him time to find his feet.
Mangala was given a season. Jaysus man United just spent over 30M for this guy and you'd have him sold in January! I think he'll come good. He's had a better start than Vidic so far (and no I'm not comparing them as players)
Go on have a go.....I am fed up of this "Liverpool-itis" syndrome that's creeping in
Keane, Schmeichel, Stam, RvN, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney, RvP, Giggs, Scholes.....etc.....that is the level you need to be to play for this club and we should accept nothing less. We're not a crèche we're we gently prune players for 5/6 yrs until finally they start turning out half decent performances. We're not a team that should be happy with one good performance in three and players hiding every time the going gets tough.
As I've said before, Lindelof is not a Man Utd footballer. Not now, not next year and not in 5yrs time. If you want to persist with him like we have done with Shaw, like we have with other senior players who are lucky not to have already been shown the door then we are accepting that we are no longer an elite club with elite level players
And btw, it's a little unfair to even compare Shaw and Lindelof because at least Shaw demonstrated some talent once!
Happy to see Lindelof's family and friends are on Redcafe.
I doubt he lacks strength, although he's still young, and even less technique, with the range of passing he shows. He's just behaving like another player right now, specially confronting one on one's from the strikers and headers, which he was never strong to begin with.The group stage of the CL and the early rounds of the cups are one thing. I'll be astonished if we see him in the knockout stages of the CL or past the quarter finals of a cup. Confidence and physical courage are part of the equation, but strength and technique - in both of which he is lacking - are at least as big a part. I'm in no way giving up on him, I just think he has a lot of developing to do before he should be allowed near the first team - at least in a Prem game.
CL wouldn't be a problem for him. He's played in the knockout stages twice, once in a tight qtr final against Bayern and he played both legsThe group stage of the CL and the early rounds of the cups are one thing. I'll be astonished if we see him in the knockout stages of the CL or past the quarter finals of a cup. Confidence and physical courage are part of the equation, but strength and technique - in both of which he is lacking - are at least as big a part. I'm in no way giving up on him, I just think he has a lot of developing to do before he should be allowed near the first team - at least in a Prem game.
Eh..."Liverpool-itis"? I like the list you've put but it's seems the only syndrome you are stuck in is the "pre 92 syndrome". Honestly it's posts like this that makes me have a love/hate relationship about being so successful and some of my city friends feel exactly the same. Success brings along a generation of fans that want the instant gratification that comes with winning things. They forget the success of the club has been built on many examples where patience has been the strength and not its weakness. For example, If you adopted your mentality, the greatest manager in British history would have been sacked from here after a bad start.
Already said, but it's not unusual for players to have difficult starts and we know the prem finds people out. That said how different would our history look if from your list there was no Schmeichel and Stam for example both of which didn't have great starts. Best current example is DDG who's start was even worse than Victors.
Not saying he's going to turn out ok, just saying it's ridiculously too early to say. Elite club needs elite players but it needs elite fans too. Elite fans are about balance, patience and supporting the club and it's players not only when they are winning. Yep it's frustrating and his error was costly last weekend and I'm sure Victor isn't happy about his performances but equally would appreciate the 'support' during this difficult transition. You never know, he might turn out to be a decent signing.
Oh, if you can spot that he'll never be good enough after a few games, send your cv to Jose and tell him sack his scouts as you clearly can do something that they clearly can't. Also with your same powers inbox me this weekends lottery numbers using your ability to read into the future....
I doubt he lacks strength, although he's still young, and even less technique, with the range of passing he shows. He's just behaving like another player right now, specially confronting one on one's from the strikers and headers, which he was never strong to begin with.
I don't know how seriously I can take a report that says:
"Not to be deceived by his lanky frame, he has a good amount of pace too"
"He has the natural pace to track runners..."
I mean, it's obvious he's not pacy. And that can have nothing to do with his adaptation, form or confidence... he's just not fast. Like if you read a scout report describing Mertesacker as pacy, you'd start doubting the author's judgement or wondering if he's ever actually seen him play.