I think Jose said him pushing from CB to midfield position, not starting as Midfielder. He was talking about defensive teams, how teams play with 3 CBs and one more defensive block, so Lindelof can attack that midfield space as he is good passer of the ball from deep.
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I think Jose said him pushing from CB to midfield position, not starting as Midfielder. He was talking about defensive teams, how teams play with 3 CBs and one more defensive block, so Lindelof can attack that midfield space as he is good passer of the ball from deep.
Looked quality on the ball last night, rash challenge in the box though that probably should have been a penalty. Need to see him tested more aerially. Great competition for CBs with him, Jones, Smalling, Bailly and Rojo.
Bailly is probably first choice and the stand out player of them, then you have Jones who will have 3-4 class games then make a big error, Smalling who is a great defender, very quick, good in the tackle and excellent in the air but who's passing is dreadful, Rojo who was terrific last year but is rash and can get sent off easily and Lindelof who's new to the club and highly rated.
Bailly is probably first choice and the stand out player of them, then you have Jones who will have 3-4 class games then make a big error, Smalling who is a great defender, very quick, good in the tackle and excellent in the air but who's passing is dreadful, Rojo who was terrific last year but is rash and can get sent off easily and Lindelof who's new to the club and highly rated.
I think it was a very good debut, he said. To play my first match at Old Trafford is something I have really waited for. It felt really good.
I played my own game and did what I was told to do on the pitch. Now I’m going to watch the replay to see if there’s anything that I could have done better.
I feel pretty confident and know what I’m able to do. That’s what I was trying to do on the pitch.
Just wow!
I played my own game and did what I was told to do on the pitch. Now I’m going to watch the replay to see if there’s anything that I could have done better.
I feel pretty confident and know what I’m able to do. That’s what I was trying to do on the pitch.
Just wow!
Thats a good post, he had nothing tocdo thus looked ok-ish. When put under any sort of preassure he made some stupid things. Not PL ready by any means.
He'll be just fine. Great attitude.I think it was a very good debut, he said. To play my first match at Old Trafford is something I have really waited for. It felt really good.
I played my own game and did what I was told to do on the pitch. Now I’m going to watch the replay to see if there’s anything that I could have done better.
I feel pretty confident and know what I’m able to do. That’s what I was trying to do on the pitch.
Just wow!
Very average aerially.
You could see his passing ability is there but he still looks like he's lacking confidence and when he was being pressed he didn't look comfortable. I think he looked better yesterday than in pre-season so I think some progress is being made. I think he should start in our next LC cup game.
It seems like that's what Jose had in mind, especially with Perisic as the LWB. Guess we will see in the future.
It would perhaps make sense, away against his former teammates.
Agree with this. Baby steps. He's still got a long way to go but I'm starting to see what the manager saw in him.
Oh, right, I've mistook LC for CL. But, yeah, sure starter, Mourinho said so.his former teammates at Burton?
Interestingly, he looks like a perfect long term replacement for Carrick at CDM.
I was very impressed with his passing yesterday.
Of course the referee would have been wrong to award Basel a penalty when he made that slide tackle in the box, but it was a bit rash a could have been costly on another day.
It also annoys me that even Danish commentators are latching on to this narrative that he's not good enough already.
Of course the referee would have been wrong to award Basel a penalty when he made that slide tackle in the box, but it was a bit rash a could have been costly on another day.
It also annoys me that even Danish commentators are latching on to this narrative that he's not good enough already.
He looks a bit like DDG when he first joined us, you can see the potential but he's quite shy and timid in his performances.
One he settles into the team and feels like he belongs, we will see the real ability IMO. He just needs time to adjust, it was a good game to give him.
One he settles into the team and feels like he belongs, we will see the real ability IMO. He just needs time to adjust, it was a good game to give him.
This, that is also mine interpretation.
I like the squad that we're putting together. Each of our centre backs is, or will soon be a viable starter, each is utterly different from the next. We've that sort of variety right through the squad. None of our rivals have this level of variety.
His passing and on the ball skills are very good for a CB but his aerial prowess is very average at the moment. Didnt look like any nervousness with the ball at all. Few nice accurate long forward passes as well too. Would be a great skill to have in the team soon.
Passing is impressive, showed nice range and vision. The defensive side is the concern. He looks a little on the weak side to me, a little of Johnny Evans about him in that I fear he could be bullied by some of the PL forwards. Some defenders can make up for a slighter build with aggression, not only in terms of physical challenges, but in how quickly they close the attacker down and pressure them. Lindelof tends to stand off, so weakness and passivity is not a good combination anywhere for a CB, let alone the PL. Hopefully some time on the weights and confidence can help those issues.
I think fans sometimes pay too much attention to what commentators say rather than trusting the evidence of their own eyes. Last night, for instance, Hargreaves spent the entire game drooling over Mkhitaryan, in a performance which more objective watchers saw as mediocre at best.
At home against "walls" he will be a very good partner for Bailly.
Uhm, yes? I have never stated otherwise. The historical track record was merely a reference, as you may know, history teaches us a thing or two in this world, including football. That hasn't stopped you from blowing it out of proportions since then. I haven't discussed or questioned talents, only the systems which they evolve or not evolve in.
There has and always will be exceptions because of good talent. Victor won't be that exception though, not as a centre-back, not at this level. Don't take it so personal, he's just another professional footballer.
A big reason Lindelof is at United now is because of his years in Portugal, brought there by his talent, which later was developed, educated and nurtured for this level, mainly in Portugal, in a way that wouldn't have happened in Sweden nowadays. Lindelof arrived at Benfica's youth system in his later teenage years at 18, whilst I believe the optimal age for those type of big moves is around 14–16 years of age, especially if you have that big talent which he supposedly has.
Perhaps it's irrelevant in Lindelof's case, as he used his time at Benfica well. However, I don't think it'll be enough anyway, as I don't believe his talent and abilities will be consistent and good enough for a club like United. And rest assured that it's very improbable he even would have gotten this far, had he not left Sweden for Portugal. What are you still trying to argue on that point.
Talented enough for Benfica, but won't be enough for this level, as I've stated in my original post.
Yes, what about them? Also exceptions.
Further down the road, perhaps all those nations' footballing systems will develop talents at a more consistent level. Because, as of now, there is a reason you leave Gabon, Armenia, Denmark, Senegal, Mexico and USA in your early/mid teenage years to take the next step, because the systems in place won't give you the platform to do so.
Take a look at Croatia and Belgium as two fine examples of the contrary. So many top-level players that have emerged from their systems in recent years with levels of progress in their youth systems maintained. And they're not exactly large nations by population either. Croatia is at slightly over ~4 million, and whilst Belgium has more than double that, their ~11 million isn't exactly a gigantic leap from Sweden's recently reached ~10 million, for example. Croatia and Belgium demonstrating that you can produce top-level players, consistently, with a good system, no matter the quantity. Not exactly as if all those 4, 11 and 10 million respectively are all options to be professional footballers either. So there's an even less smaller pool of players than that to choose from and develop. But maybe Croatia and Belgium are just too impressive to use as examples. It's still very admirable work though.
Apart from his talent, his footballing background and education has contributed to him being the footballer that he is today, just as your past experiences and life events have done the same with you as the person you are today.
I haven't said that it dictates future though. That's down to individual qualities and development from here on out. And for Lindelof, I don't think it will be enough. I repeat: not as a centre-back, not at this level. I hope he proves me wrong though. His performance against Basel showed me nothing that I haven't seen from him before, good or bad. It's same ole Victor.
Also, "scouted by and rivaled for by many teams"… yet it appeared that United was the only club that had genuine, concrete interest in Lindelof. I don't think we would've even signed him if it wasn't for Rojo's long term injury. Rojo, who's good form also coincided with our interest in Lindelof cooling down during the winter transfer window.
Stupid post.
And you are basing this off of what? He showed great potential in his Benfica days and was one of their best players. Shouldn't we wait until he gets a run of games before rushing to such judgement?
You stated previously that Miki's time in Brazil played a major part of his development which in turn allowed him to grow into being a borderline elite player. You also just stated now that Lindlof's time in Portugal was very important for his development. So what is to stop Victor from being like Miki?
Furthermore when you move is irrelevant to a bigger club is irrelevant. Some people demonstrate the talent earlier than others but that dosen't change the fact that someone is talented.
Yet look at him now, a young prospect at one of the biggest clubs in the world. So you are in effect conceding that Sweden's football program isn't as bad as you make it or that there is a double standard in your argument...
Try again. We were scouting Lindleof long before Rojo's injury and Mourinho recognizes his tactical importance.
Would you like to explain why?
His matches for Sweden U21, Sweden national team and his matches in the Champions League last season. He's hyped up beyond his capabilities for reasons that are beyond me. His talent isn't enough to negate his other deficiencies, such as his lack of pace, his poor positioning, his lack of aerial ability despite measuring in at 187 cm tall, his nervousness, his clumsiness when challenging. It all leads me to believe he won't make it at this level, not as a centre-back. Some of that is in my original post too, which you clearly still haven't understood.
Uhm, individual talent and capabilities?
I don't understand this part. Re-phrase and at least put some effort in your spelling and sentences, been a few times now that you've been unclear. Sort it out if you're going to waste both of our times on this further.
Are you saying it's irrelevant when you leave for a bigger club? Are you serious? A year or two is perhaps not so relevant in life if you're 25, 30 or 35. If you've existed for only 18 years in total though… a year or two makes a major difference. I stand firm on that point, 14–16, perhaps even a year younger, is the absolute optimal time to put in that extra-gear of a young player's development. For a number of reasons, puberty being one of them. This is the short time of window which can basically help set (not by itself, along with genetics, naturally) your physical conditions for the rest of your life.
There is no double standard in my argument, only your lack of understanding and your difficulties in comprehending sentences. I never said that Sweden's football system is bad. My original post regarding Sweden's track record touched on the subject of world class centre-backs that emerge from the system in place. Which you've also blown completely out of proportions, evident in your first reply where you ask about nationality and then later go on to talking about offensive yada yada yada…
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I didn't state otherwise. And when Rojo upped his game, we dropped it. Seriously, read…
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You misunderstanding me and then ridiculing it with your made-up monologue-turned-dialogue is nothing but utterly stupid, borderline moronic.
Since he preferably plays right centerback, we could see Bailly dropped instead of Jones.
He definitely has to toughen up. The Ricardo Carvalho comparison makes total sense.
Is there really that much difference between LCB and RCB
Enough for Mourinho to notice it and say, for instance, that he was forced to play two left footed centerbacks at the same time last season once.
Think he will struggle in a two man defence ever so slightly but in a 3 man defence he can initiate the counter attacks from deep.
Yeh but Rojo aside all our CBs are right footed.. Including Jones.... If Lindelof is as great a passer as he's claimed to be I'm sure he can play either side.
Yeah, but like the wide-forwards who are right footed tend to be used by Mourinho on the left, it is not the same to start with the right foot from the left of the defense, where you're facing a packed midfield in front of you, and from the right, where you have the right wing opening.
I think so. When you get the ball under pressure it's usually better to take your first touch out wide for a pass/clearance and it's easier to do that on your stronger foot. It makes a difference at the level i play at and granted it's way below PL standard but then I don't have Sergio Aguero closing me down either.
Yup, in the middle of a three-man defence is the setup that gives him the best chances of succeeding as a centre-back, as he'll basically be a defensive/holding midfielder in possession. Otherwise, I personally believe he can do better as a "real" defensive/holding midfielder in a midfield three, than he would as a centre-back.
Yeh il be honest and haven't seen him much - but I reckon he was bought as an alternative to eric dier. Our football is really good now to try change things but I do reckon our real abilities as a team will show once we settle back in tp the 352
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