Forgetting what you'd LIKE to see happen, do you THINK Veron will be at Old Trafford by the start of next season?
Of course, what did he do wrong tonight? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Yes, I do. He has the manager's support and he wants to stay. All he ever said was that he wouldn't rule out anything for the future. He could be a bastard like most players, say 'I'll be here forever' and leave 2 days later, but he told the truth - You never know what will happen (Just ask Stam!).
Hopefully he'll be free of injury next season and Fergie will deploy him where he should - center of midfield. I thought we looked better tonight late on when Veron was running the show.
Hopefully he'll be free of injury next season and Fergie will deploy him where he should - center of midfield. I thought we looked better tonight late on when Veron was running the show.
The only problem I have with Veron is that if he is taking time to settle, then he shouldn't be in the team at the expense of players who are already settled.
But if playing Veron means playing a lone striker......difficult one.
But if playing Veron means playing a lone striker......difficult one.
I personally dont think he did anything wrong tonight.
I dont blame him for anything that has not gone United's way this season (ok, he lost possession against boro but that could happen to anyone.)
I just happen to think his style isnt suited to your system and it upsets the balance..not his fault.
I've always rated him as world class and i still do...but some posters on here have suggested that after tonight's game, which some saw for some reason as his 'last chance', he will be on his way (dunno why tonight's game triggered it).
So i'm just wondering what people think...whether he'll start next season with United or be sold, most likely (IF he goes) to Lazio.
I'm just interested in people's opinions about him.
I dont blame him for anything that has not gone United's way this season (ok, he lost possession against boro but that could happen to anyone.)
I just happen to think his style isnt suited to your system and it upsets the balance..not his fault.
I've always rated him as world class and i still do...but some posters on here have suggested that after tonight's game, which some saw for some reason as his 'last chance', he will be on his way (dunno why tonight's game triggered it).
So i'm just wondering what people think...whether he'll start next season with United or be sold, most likely (IF he goes) to Lazio.
I'm just interested in people's opinions about him.
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>You never know what will happen (Just ask Stam!)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Please don't bring up Stam. That sale is the worst decision SAF has ever made, unfortunately.
And we still haven't got the bloody money for it!
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Damn it, and he nearly scored...AGAIN...if it had just gone in...mmm... He'll be back and when he does get comfortable with the league, it'll be a whole new ball game...
Originally posted by beatlemanu:
<strong>Damn it, and he nearly scored...AGAIN...if it had just gone in...mmm... He'll be back and when he does get comfortable with the league, it'll be a whole new ball game...
PRICK!
Ok, a few more questions for you:
1) If someone offered you your £28m back NOW, would you take it or keep Veron and refuse the 'refund'?
2) IF he does leave, how much do you realistically feel you'd get for him?
3) If him staying meant you played a 4-4-1-1 formation on a regular basis, would you be happy with this and seeing Solskjaer start virtually every game on the bench?
4) If Veron stayed and SAF played him centre mid in a 4-4-2, which of your 'pick themselves' midfielders (as they are IMO) would you drop, Giggs, Scholes, Keane or Beckham?
5) An extension of Q4, do you think any of those 4 mentioned above deserve to lose their place in order for Veron to play centre mid?
Opinions gratefully received.
1) If someone offered you your £28m back NOW, would you take it or keep Veron and refuse the 'refund'?
2) IF he does leave, how much do you realistically feel you'd get for him?
3) If him staying meant you played a 4-4-1-1 formation on a regular basis, would you be happy with this and seeing Solskjaer start virtually every game on the bench?
4) If Veron stayed and SAF played him centre mid in a 4-4-2, which of your 'pick themselves' midfielders (as they are IMO) would you drop, Giggs, Scholes, Keane or Beckham?
5) An extension of Q4, do you think any of those 4 mentioned above deserve to lose their place in order for Veron to play centre mid?
Opinions gratefully received.
DJ, he's not leaving, so all of the questions cannot be answered!
sell. money could be better used elsewhere.
mods...can we have a poll on this?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>DJ, he's not leaving, so all of the questions cannot be answered!</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's hypothetical, Weastey..use your imagination, lad!
Originally posted by passiveman:
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Keane? Did you watch the game tonight? Are you nuts?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well yes, of course i saw the game and i know what you mean, he's class...but they all are really and i had to give you all the options!
(for the record, i AM nuts)
Originally posted by Dj_Sydney_A:
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It's hypothetical, Weastey..use your imagination, lad!
I don't need to, he's not leaving! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I don't need to, he's not leaving! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
I can just picture you now, looking up, high into the sky, with a tear in your eye as you wave to his Rome-bound private jet...a gust of wind blows by and you can just be heard muttering to yourself..."but he's not leaving..."
I paint a lovely picture, dont i?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Please don't bring up Stam. That sale is the worst decision SAF has ever made, unfortunately.</strong><hr></blockquote>
ur 100% right!
Originally posted by Dj_Sydney_A:
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I can just picture you now, looking up, high into the sky, with a tear in your eye as you wave to his Rome-bound private jet...a gust of wind blows by and you can just be heard muttering to yourself..."but he's not leaving..."
I paint a lovely picture, dont i?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Many people like to make out that I am a Verón fan no matter what! It's totally untrue, I just see potential when I see it!
There is no doubting that he is one of the best midfield players in the world, and you could see many times tonight the look of disgust on his face when things went wrong. Not to mention the effort he put in!
He's class and he's coming good!
Sorry if you and 90% of United supporters disagree with me!
Originally posted by GiggsysGirl:
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ur 100% right!
There is no point crying over spilt milk lass. What was done was done.
And we haven't done that badly without him really! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
I just think that we would have done one hell of a lot better with him!
Whatever the truth about that in regard to the PL - we lost the game tonight because there wasn't the same commitment shown by all of the players as by Keane. If they'd all given as much as he did we'd have looked a lot better than we did - in the end they had too much time on the ball in the midfield, and you can only point to a lack of determination from some of the players to explain that...
Originally posted by GiggsysGirl:
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ur 100% right!
Learn to forgive and forget... Sir Alex's decision has hardly proved itself one way... Or the other. We certainly can't say it's the reason we'll finish trophiless.
Ahem what happened on August the 10th 1996? The only sold player I can remember of that summer is Sharpe.
With all due respect, talking about determination is a cheap excuse. Maybe our players aren't good enough, maybe we're tactically crap. I don't believe in any of the two, but I do no believe we lost a semi final because of the lack of determination.
Originally posted by Amir:
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We didn't lose, we drew, and unfortunately the 2-2 draw was at our place. Our players under performed, not underfought.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am aware of how the away goals system works you know - point is we lost the tie. You're entitled to your opinion - and I understand your defensive attitude to the players, but I don't share it. How many times did you see Bayer players attack us in numbers when we had possesion?
The same could not be said of our players - in the first half in particular I didn't sense our team in the ascendent, they looked sloppy at times and nervous on the ball.
As I've said, it's not like they didn't try - they simply didn't play like a team who are desperate to reach the final. In the last fifteen minutes we terrorised the Bayer goal, looking like a team who knew that time was running out. Where was that sense of urgency at the beginning of the game?
I don't expect to change your mind - and yes, we were unlucky, but that just wasn't a top class team performance and I've absolutely no idea why
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Many people like to make out that I am a Verón fan no matter what! It's totally untrue, I just see potential when I see it!
There is no doubting that he is one of the best midfield players in the world, and you could see many times tonight the look of disgust on his face when things went wrong. Not to mention the effort he put in!
He's class and he's coming good!
Sorry if you and 90% of United supporters disagree with me!
Hey Weastey, i DO agree with you...but i wouldnt be surprised if he was sold.
Remember, at the start of this thread, the question was do you THINK he'll go, not would you LIKE him to go.
I THINK he'll go..i'd LIKE him to stay cause his signing (not 'him') has disrupted your previously successful system.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Many people like to make out that I am a Verón fan no matter what! It's totally untrue, I just see potential when I see it!
There is no doubting that he is one of the best midfield players in the world, and you could see many times tonight the look of disgust on his face when things went wrong. Not to mention the effort he put in!
He's class and he's coming good!
Sorry if you and 90% of United supporters disagree with me!
No one can disagree with you if you said Veron has "potential" to play well. Who don't know how good was him when he played for Lazio and Argentina? But the problem is that you never admit some players just can't make it in certain club/country. So you haven't watched the game yet but can't wait to come to defend Veron? Okay, I tell you how he perform: "He did nothing wrong" -- he seldom give the ball away and he worked hard -- but the most important thing is that he once again never did, or never looked like he can do, a thing which can change the course of the game and win us the match. An average performance, but for me it is unacceptable for only getting an average and ordinary player for 28m.
Okay, different question, what di we get for 28 mill? In my eyes that money means he should fit in from day one, that's top money. On top of that bringing him an him doing FA destroyed the pay structure that's why we have such long negotiations with beckam etc and any one else who comes.
feck my shares are going to be worthless But who cares as we are the best fecking team ever!!!!
feck my shares are going to be worthless
But who cares as we are the best fecking team ever!!!!Yes. He should be sold at 30 + million after the WC. He;'s agreat talent , but i don't think he suits the way we play. I'm sorry. He hangs on to the ball to long. Furthermore, we need Paul Scholes in CM because he scores a shit load of goals. he's proved that with us. He has been good for about a goal every three matches. Playing him at RM is a waste. If anything, play Veron at RM. I think Beckham would do twice the job as Veron for us at CM.. So, sell him and use the money to improve other areas. When only have 5 good ball carriers (I'm assuming Chadwick will never have a 1st team place) in RVN, Giggs, OGS, Silvestre and Forlan. The rest of the squad relies on fluent passing.
Here is a thought. If we had Zidane instead of Veron, don't you think we'd of won our league by now and booked a place in the CL Finals? I think so. I would have cost us alot more though.
Here is a thought. If we had Zidane instead of Veron, don't you think we'd of won our league by now and booked a place in the CL Finals? I think so. I would have cost us alot more though.
I hope so, but for the first time i think he might go, simply for a financial reason, i.e. in terms of helping to finance any spending SAF may have planned for summer. I stress, i hope not,
just play the man in his position consistently and we will see what a £28 000 000 player can really do
just play the man in his position consistently and we will see what a £28 000 000 player can really do