Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>If Seba and Yorke were sold - it would pay for Thuram and Viana (who is rated at about 13m). We could buy Ayala and a striker for another 20m out of pocket which wouldn't seem like too much when you consider we spent about the same on Seba and Carrol and the sale of Stam. Then again, I'm not the board.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. Never forget to put the board into the equation.
Veron to consider his personal future
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I don't think selling Seba should become an issue unless the board decide they need to sell in order to offset buying (ala Stam) again. If we can get our defender and keep Seba, then we should do it.
the main reason for why we didn't win this seadon is becuz Fergie opted the 3-5-2, the anti-ManUnited formation, for we do not have defenders that can swing 3 back in the EPL. that's what did it.
this is Veron's first season in England, and i don't think he was as bad as most of you made him to be.
all the sudden, it's cuz of Veron, kinda like what Becks went through in the last WC. yeah, find ONE man to blame for it all, very English.
this is Veron's first season in England, and i don't think he was as bad as most of you made him to be.
all the sudden, it's cuz of Veron, kinda like what Becks went through in the last WC. yeah, find ONE man to blame for it all, very English.
<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />We didnt play 3-5-2. We played 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 which none of our ATTACKERS can handle. I dont know what your on about PHILIP.
true. i meant 4-5-1 (though when Neville or Silvestre takes off on the wing it's 3-4-1-1-1-1..).
but seriously, why judge a player that's only been at the club for one season? it's friggin' England, not Disney. give the man a break.
there's no need to sell Veron, it's not like United don't have a TON of mulah or something...we need one solid defender and a good striker, and then pray that Barthez won't make the news too much.
true. i meant 4-5-1 (though when Neville or Silvestre takes off on the wing it's 3-4-1-1-1-1..).
but seriously, why judge a player that's only been at the club for one season? it's friggin' England, not Disney. give the man a break.
there's no need to sell Veron, it's not like United don't have a TON of mulah or something...we need one solid defender and a good striker, and then pray that Barthez won't make the news too much.
I see where you come from Philip, but when they go down the wing they are still the full back, they are just doing their job.
You are preaching to the converted re: Veron, I'd hate to see him leave. But if he wants to go, then I'd hate to see him stay. I'm sure he will come good next year, I've seen enough potential to believe that.
But theres also potential for more problems both on the field and off it sadly. I wouldn't say he is indispensible like Beckham.
You are preaching to the converted re: Veron, I'd hate to see him leave. But if he wants to go, then I'd hate to see him stay. I'm sure he will come good next year, I've seen enough potential to believe that.
But theres also potential for more problems both on the field and off it sadly. I wouldn't say he is indispensible like Beckham.
it's about motivation.
i remember 1999, hanging out with my best friend at his GF's place, wearing Man United jerseys, setting the beer/chips/whatever ready for the triple and....we ended up not drinking until the match was over cuz MU was down too damn early in the game. 2 minutes...nail biting...
after the first goal we ran outside to the garage and screamed...and ran back inside.
second goal, and we busted that door, ran down the streets and screamed like little porno girlscouts (without the cookies), to the on looking people stand around the neighborhood not knowing should they call the cops or not...cuz there were 2 guys in red runing up and down cheering and yelling "Gooallll"!! and "Who's yo daddy!!"...
...were were in Boca Raton, Florida, USA. probably the only 2 men in Man Utd jerseys.
that was 1999.
2000, Man won the EPL. wow.
2001, they did it again. i got the news through an e-mail that they won it a month before the league was over. woopedoo.
i think it got something to do with motivation . think about it, the season before last Man United had to pull some PR to get people to friggin' CELEBRATE!!
another Premiership Trophy...wow.
remember that, or did y'all forget?
next season will be different.
i remember 1999, hanging out with my best friend at his GF's place, wearing Man United jerseys, setting the beer/chips/whatever ready for the triple and....we ended up not drinking until the match was over cuz MU was down too damn early in the game. 2 minutes...nail biting...
after the first goal we ran outside to the garage and screamed...and ran back inside.
second goal, and we busted that door, ran down the streets and screamed like little porno girlscouts (without the cookies), to the on looking people stand around the neighborhood not knowing should they call the cops or not...cuz there were 2 guys in red runing up and down cheering and yelling "Gooallll"!! and "Who's yo daddy!!"...
...were were in Boca Raton, Florida, USA. probably the only 2 men in Man Utd jerseys.
that was 1999.
2000, Man won the EPL. wow.
2001, they did it again. i got the news through an e-mail that they won it a month before the league was over. woopedoo.
i think it got something to do with motivation . think about it, the season before last Man United had to pull some PR to get people to friggin' CELEBRATE!!
another Premiership Trophy...wow.
remember that, or did y'all forget?
next season will be different.
I say Utd. get rid of Veron.
1. Fergie will have more money to spend
2. He is not happy here and seems to be making too many comments to the press.
3. He never tackles and gives the ball too easily...clearly he does not love Utd.
The situation seems quite clear to me... and I'd rather have a more dedicated midfielder with a higher work rate rather than Veron.
P.S. No offence to Veron, he is a great player, but not right for Utd.
1. Fergie will have more money to spend
2. He is not happy here and seems to be making too many comments to the press.
3. He never tackles and gives the ball too easily...clearly he does not love Utd.
The situation seems quite clear to me... and I'd rather have a more dedicated midfielder with a higher work rate rather than Veron.
P.S. No offence to Veron, he is a great player, but not right for Utd.
Stick to baseball, tosser.
stick to cricket, puss.
stick to cricket, puss.
even Fergie stated that he too, was annoyed by the press on Veron, and that there might be agendas working to unsettle Veron due to the WC clash with England. obviously that bothered Veron, along with adapting to the EPL and England.
the part that most don't see, or too arrogant to see, is that the season failed due to many parts, mostly during the first half of the season:
*formation experiments
*front: unsettle in the front line with the arrival of RVN (who many of you thought was gona be shite <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ) - Cole was all emotional, Yorke sucked, Ole still on bench, Scholes was up there with RVN ect.
*center: Giggsy was hurt for a while, Becks took a rest ect.
*back: Stam's book, defense's unimpressive start, Barthez, Barthez, Barthez.
*everyone will play Man Utd with all they got, 3 times in a row EPL title holder get to be annoying at times..
*motivation - CL or EPL?
*WC qualifying
*Fergie's retirement crap
*other stuff i missed
but hey, let's blame it on VERON.
yup, Veron sux.
the part that most don't see, or too arrogant to see, is that the season failed due to many parts, mostly during the first half of the season:
*formation experiments
*front: unsettle in the front line with the arrival of RVN (who many of you thought was gona be shite <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ) - Cole was all emotional, Yorke sucked, Ole still on bench, Scholes was up there with RVN ect.
*center: Giggsy was hurt for a while, Becks took a rest ect.
*back: Stam's book, defense's unimpressive start, Barthez, Barthez, Barthez.
*everyone will play Man Utd with all they got, 3 times in a row EPL title holder get to be annoying at times..
*motivation - CL or EPL?
*WC qualifying
*Fergie's retirement crap
*other stuff i missed
but hey, let's blame it on VERON.
yup, Veron sux.
so you take what the press tell you seriously? get with it people.
even Fergie slammed the press for all the bullcrap. hell, i would expect the fans to do the same. at least have some faith/loyalty in your new player.
we had a f*cked up season, many things to blame. this can only motivate the team.
i could remember in 98 we didn't win shiete. next season we went triple. my guess is simple: it'll be another 4 years before anyone else can claim the EPL from Man United.
even Fergie slammed the press for all the bullcrap. hell, i would expect the fans to do the same. at least have some faith/loyalty in your new player.
we had a f*cked up season, many things to blame. this can only motivate the team.
i could remember in 98 we didn't win shiete. next season we went triple. my guess is simple: it'll be another 4 years before anyone else can claim the EPL from Man United.
I dont suppose he feels happy about the fans support either. Forlan already has a song yet he has been pretty low-key.
Veron has been made a scapegoat by the media as well as many many Man Utd fans which is a damn shame.
This is an emotional guy who wants to be accepted and embraced to get the best out of him. He's probably feeling rejected that even Forlan had a song just days after joining. His mentality is a little like Cantona's, except his home where fans love him is Lazio. We have to show him some love too or else he will always pine for Lazio.
With Veron you'll get back what you give. Give him love and responsibility and trust and he will come good. He has done nothing to earn our criticism.
Veron has been made a scapegoat by the media as well as many many Man Utd fans which is a damn shame.
This is an emotional guy who wants to be accepted and embraced to get the best out of him. He's probably feeling rejected that even Forlan had a song just days after joining. His mentality is a little like Cantona's, except his home where fans love him is Lazio. We have to show him some love too or else he will always pine for Lazio.
With Veron you'll get back what you give. Give him love and responsibility and trust and he will come good. He has done nothing to earn our criticism.
Yeh of course if he is a twat and wants to leave then kick him out.
But if we had done the same to Cantona then I'd hate to think what could've happened there. No doubt that if Cantona had this much criticism he would've been out the door in no time.
I was just saying how come we've taken a liking to Forlan already but not to Veron. If we'd done the same to Veron I think he'd find it easier to settle.
I dont want to speculate on his future because its futile until something actually happens - and anything can.
But if we had done the same to Cantona then I'd hate to think what could've happened there. No doubt that if Cantona had this much criticism he would've been out the door in no time.
I was just saying how come we've taken a liking to Forlan already but not to Veron. If we'd done the same to Veron I think he'd find it easier to settle.
I dont want to speculate on his future because its futile until something actually happens - and anything can.
it's the English press and their agenda against Veron due to the WC draw started all this.
it's the kind of bullcrap that i expect Man United fans to not be sway like a bunch of friggin' idiots.
i was wrong.
it's the kind of bullcrap that i expect Man United fans to not be sway like a bunch of friggin' idiots.
i was wrong.
i am. gona take some NoDoze for this friggin' WC...
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>
Well it's futile speculating on most players futures but that's what tends to dominate message boards in the close season.
Who knows. I'm merely speculating.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeh thats why you shouldn't do it!
I suspect its more a case of reading papers and making judgements unfairly - fans are a fickle bunch after all. And I dont exclude myself or anyone from that.
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