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Blaming me is a joke, says Veron
By Alex Montgomery

Exclusive: Juan Sebastian Veron has read the derogatory headlines and absorbed all the barbs.

Veron: To prove himself
(ShaunBotterill/Allsport)
He knows what they are saying in England - that at £28.1million he is the most expensive flop in British football history and that his face does not fit in the Old Trafford dressing room.

But the Argentinian, heralded as of one of the world's greatest midfielders when he arrived in England a year ago, refuses to fill the role of scapegoat at Manchester United.

Furthermore, he suggests that other players within the camp were worrying more about the World Cup than the club's title run-in.

Whatever the reason, United failed to finish in the top two of the Premiership for the first time in 10 years and ended the season without a trophy.

'For me to be blamed for the lack of success is a joke,' Veron said. 'I had to struggle on with injuries. I came back towards the end of the season in the Champions league matches only 70 per cent fit.

'This was known by everyone at the club but while I put my own World Cup ambitions in jeopardy by risking further more serious injury, others acted unprofessionally.

'They picked up a series of suspensions and apparently had the club's best interests in mind, yet I was singled out for criticism.'

Veron, speaking for the first time since Argentina's humiliating exit from the World Cup finals, added: 'The first season at United was so disappointing for a number of reasons.

'I started well but the team's shape was not right. Injuries took a hand and I struggled to regain my early season's form.

'Players were then lost through a lack of discipline in the team. This must be addressed for next season. You cannot allow players to be missing from very important games due to indiscipline.

'We are involved in a professional game and you must adopt professional attitude. You must never allow your emotions to cloud good judgment as some have done at this club.'

Despite the criticism of unnamed team-mates, Veron is determined to complete unfinished business, not only to prove to English sceptics wrong, but also as an obligation to his manager, Sir Alex Ferguson.

An extraordinary bond has developed between the two in the past year - and Veron is in no mood to walk away from United.

'My own ambition is secondary to the enormous debt of honour and friendship that I owe to Alex Ferguson,' he said. 'It stems from those periods last season that weren't pleasant, when the headlines about me were "misfit" and "Ferguson's worst buy" when my commitment and ability were being

constantly questioned. He stood by me and defended my reputation in public. In private when he recognised there were moments of great doubt coming from within me he offered me words of reassurance and great kindness.

'He would see this, as a father does with his son, and react with a word, a wink, a smile.

'These are the qualities of not just a champion manager but a good and kind man. It is why I must repay this debt. The question is always the same - am I staying at United or am I leaving? This is the simple answer: I am staying and I would like to see out at least the remaining years of my contract - and possibly more if they want me to. I want to show the people of Manchester that I have it in me to be a champion. In achieving my own ambitions I would also fulfil the ambitions of this club.'

Despite the continuing speculation that he could be sold to finance United's intended purchase of a centre-half, Veron is likely to get his wish to stay.

'I accept speculation is part of the beautiful game,' says Veron. 'But, I repeat, I am a Manchester United player as long as they require my services.'

Veron is in Italy and has not yet been back to Argentina since his country's humiliation.

It was not the depth of the criticism that stopped Veron returning to Buenos Aires after Argentina's World Cup elimination, but seeing the pain on the faces of the people in the middle of that country's recession. 'It would be too much to bear. There were so many hopes. We had the chance to lift the dark clouds and failed to do so,' he said. 'That is a burden we will carry till death.

'We will find a place in their hearts again. The Argentine values loyalty above all else.'

As for England's World Cup, Veron has picked out his United teammates, Nicky Butt and, inevitably, David Beckham, plus Leeds United defender Rio Ferdinand as the country's three outstanding players.

Veron is certain all three will be around in four years' time for the 2006 World Cup. Yet in the short term there are more immediate goals.

'I will only concentrate on bringing success to my club,' he said. 'My debt of honour to my manager must be paid in full.'
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>'My debt of honour to my manager must be paid in full.'</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great!
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What a fag. Wouldn't even return to Argentina to face the music. Get rid of this fecker now
 
Originally posted by newperson:
<strong>What a fag. Wouldn't even return to Argentina to face the music. Get rid of this fecker now</strong><hr></blockquote>

:rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
What's your fecking problem?
 
what would do in such a situation, if england had an economy crisis, and were (realsitically)expected to win world cup. and came home with shite, make engalnd fans feel even worse.

the mans got a sentimental side, or do only fags have that <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
'I will only concentrate on bringing success to my club,' he said. 'My debt of honour to my manager must be paid in full.'[/QB][/QUOTE]

thats waht i call manchester united commmitment
 
To those ponces who still blame Veron. feck you. :mad:

And for you who thinks he can't face the music. Take a look in the mirror <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
Originally posted by newperson:
<strong>What a fag. Wouldn't even return to Argentina to face the music. Get rid of this fecker now</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just looking through his previous posts, im getting the tang of an ABU from him.
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>
thats waht i call manchester united commmitment</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well said! :cool:
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>And for you who thinks he can't face the music. Take a look in the mirror <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

:confused: Ive tried to make sense of this but i cant figure it out.

I like his commitment though, and the fact that he has the neccesary respect for Fergie.
 
Originally posted by newperson:
<strong>What a fag. Get rid of this fecker now</strong><hr></blockquote>

Couldn't have said it better myself.

(You are talking about yourself aren't you?)

If Seba wants to stay at United after all that's been said and the flak he's had, then all credit to him.
 
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Blimey, this is good to hear. I was one of those who thought he should go, because he seemed to lack commitment, but if he's prepared to stand up and fight to prove his critics wrong, then let's give him that chance.

I'd love to see what a focused, motivated Veron is capable of... could be awesome.
 
So who's surprised?

It was always clear that he would stay.

There's no excuses for him not to perform next season tho. Noone can say he wasn't a world class player for Lazio. He still hasn't proven this for United yet. But he will IMHO.
 
Originally posted by newperson:
<strong>What a fag. Wouldn't even return to Argentina to face the music. Get rid of this fecker now</strong><hr></blockquote>

He didn't return to Argentina because of the economic crisis, something he can't do anything about. He is willing to stand up on the pitch and fight for himself, Fergie and United. He is willing to face the music where he has some responsibility. If he has a reasonable season and we win the league he will get the loudest cheer when he lifts the trophy.
 
Veron in his article rubbishes other player in the United team.He is the saddest player to ever put on a United shirt.He would never have come to United if it hadn`t been for the paasport problems.
 
Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>He is the saddest player to ever put on a United shirt</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>Veron in his article rubbishes other player in the United team.He is the saddest player to ever put on a United shirt.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yet when Keano does it.....

Ahh, why bother. <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
 
Veron states players wern`t trying because of the World cup,and players lack of disipline on the field cost United,Roy Keane never said such things.
 
Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>Veron states players wern`t trying because of the World cup,and players lack of disipline on the field cost United,Roy Keane never said such things. He is an individual who thinks with his own brain, Keane did not say exactly that but he did slate the players and the prawn sandwich supporters who know nothing about football</strong><hr></blockquote>

some supporters are so DUMB !!!, the article was clearly translated to suit the reporter.
EVEN on REDCAFE.NET you see 5 lines of what Veron says, nothing about him wanting to stay or him being Loyal to the club, MISREPRESENTAION.

I agree that our players did lack discipline and the "teams shape" certainly did not look good. Obviously players were thinking about the world cup and to his credit, in the CL he did play with an injury. WHY he must constantly Defend his right to be a Manchester United player, Imagine what great players like Ronaldo, Vieri, Nesta, Zidane, etc.. must think of these supporters, i can fully understand why great players will never want to come here in the future. Veron has had a bad season, He is world Class and will prove it. IMO Barthez has had a far worse season than Veron, he made some Stupid Stupid errors which cost us alot of points, but there are not many people who want him out, Maybe it is Cos Veron from Argentina and no one will Forget "THE HAND OF GOD"
 
fecking rich calling someone dumb when you live in South Africa.Veron is a twat full stop,I was delighted when United signed him it was the ultimate in a list of good and bad signings.What did we get for 28 million,a player who couldn`t be arsed.He has hated being in England from day one going back to Italy whenever he could.The only reason he turns out for United is the 40/50 grand a week,he couldn`t give a stuff about loyalty
 
Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>fecking rich calling someone dumb when you live in South Africa.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Says a geezer living in Australia! Nice one.
 
Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>fecking rich calling someone dumb when you live in South Africa.Veron is a twat full stop,I was delighted when United signed him it was the ultimate in a list of good and bad signings.What did we get for 28 million,a player who couldn`t be arsed.He has hated being in England from day one going back to Italy whenever he could.The only reason he turns out for United is the 40/50 grand a week,he couldn`t give a stuff about loyalty</strong><hr></blockquote>

YOUR INGNORANCE SHINES THROUGH with your first comment, you are from Australia for feck sake isn't that where the English Dumped all there prisoners, Calling any player a TWAT is Dumb, especially if he is from the side u support.

So what if he likes Italy , i love Manchester and go there whenever i get the chance to. And Suddenly you are his Public Relations Officer , you seem to know his every thought. I think he is on alot more than 50 grand a week, he could have went to Spain and earned the same amount so thats bullshit.

I don't think you read the article properly, scroll back up and read it again.

Quote "This is the simple answer: I am staying and I would like to see out at least the remaining years of my contract - and possibly more if they want me to. I want to show the people of Manchester that I have it in me to be a champion. In achieving my own ambitions I would also fulfil the ambitions of this club."

To say he is not LOYAL is DUMB, If he does leave it will be because of supporters like you, who constantly question his loyalty leaving him very unsettled. Remember he carried an injury for half the season and on OPTA STATS he is ranked 5th amongst
fellow Midfielders

Passers passes Accuracy
R Keane Man Utd 2,420 89%
D Batty Leeds 2,162 82%
S Finnan Fulham 2,145 80%
P Vieira Arsenal 2,131 81%
J Veron Man Utd 2,043 82%
 
It's certainly not a bad thing to hear that he said in such a strong tone that he want to stay here to show his true ability to fans and repay the faith of Fergie. But still, I maintain my opinion that he should do his talking with his feet rather than his mouth, especially he should not critize his teammates in order to get himself out of the blame put on him. Simply speaking, he talk too much and do too little. Hope he can do more in next season and show that his doubters are wrong.
 
Originally posted by Red_For_Life:
<strong>

YOUR INGNORANCE SHINES THROUGH with your first comment, you are from Australia for feck sake isn't that where the English Dumped all there prisoners, Calling any player a TWAT is Dumb, especially if he is from the side u support.

So what if he likes Italy , i love Manchester and go there whenever i get the chance to. And Suddenly you are his Public Relations Officer , you seem to know his every thought. I think he is on alot more than 50 grand a week, he could have went to Spain and earned the same amount so thats bullshit.

I don't think you read the article properly, scroll back up and read it again.

Quote "This is the simple answer: I am staying and I would like to see out at least the remaining years of my contract - and possibly more if they want me to. I want to show the people of Manchester that I have it in me to be a champion. In achieving my own ambitions I would also fulfil the ambitions of this club."

To say he is not LOYAL is DUMB, If he does leave it will be because of supporters like you, who constantly question his loyalty leaving him very unsettled. Remember he carried an injury for half the season and on OPTA STATS he is ranked 5th amongst
fellow Midfielders

Passers passes Accuracy
R Keane Man Utd 2,420 89%
D Batty Leeds 2,162 82%
S Finnan Fulham 2,145 80%
P Vieira Arsenal 2,131 81%
J Veron Man Utd 2,043 82%</strong><hr></blockquote>Its far better to be ignorant than arrogant.I am entitled to an oppinion and that is United have a problem with Veron,if you dont agree fine but dont assume im dumb because I dont follow like blindy.
 
Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>I have also lived in South Africa.</strong><hr></blockquote>So you're twice as dumb?

Is that what you're saying?

And you own a personnel recruitment company? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

Kinell.
 
Half the squad played for shit last season. Blaming Veron is total bollox, if blame was to be placed at anyones door it would be Fergies.

Veron was carrying an injury for a good proportion of the season, he is a class player, I hope he stays.
 
Originally posted by Lover of Football:
<strong>fecking rich calling someone dumb when you live in South Africa.

I have also lived in South Africa.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Constructive Critism of any player is welcomed. Slating any player is DUMB. In Veron's case it is more about the supporters frustration at MAnchester United winng nothing this past year and reporters who want to sell newspapers
 
The reality is - If Manchester United had won any silverware last season, then Veron`s mediocre season (by standards acknowledging he is a world class player) would hardly be discussed.

Sure he made a bad mistake in one Premiership game but there was nothing stopping the other Reds from performing that day, which they most definitely did not. The game was lost not because of one mistake but because of mediocrity throughout the team.

The heart of the problem lies in Manchester United`s midfield options - I believe Sir Alex will have seriously re-thought some of the tactics he used last season. Manchester United has an abundance of riches but players were not always used in the most productive way possible.

I look forward to Veron blasting his critics` words to the hollow bits that they are. The man had a mediocre season by his own high standards and world class player standards but let me begin to name the Manchester United players who also had mediocre games. Giggs is another top player who readily springs to mind.

Veron is not the kind of man to run away - he will prove himself. And aren`t some of us just looking forward to it! Go Seba Go!
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Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Yet when Keano does it.....

Ahh, why bother. <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Keano is the captain, and he has earnt the right to criticise by his own high performances - Veron is in no position to blame other players, and injuries, and the managers tactics, and everyone but his own shit self for the abysmal play he produced at times.

Who are these players who weren't disciplined?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Keano is the captain, and he has earnt the right to criticise by his own high performances - Veron is in no position to blame other players, and injuries, and the managers tactics, and everyone but his own shit self for the abysmal play he produced at times.

Who are these players who weren't disciplined?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right. I think the reason Veron tried to blame other teammates is because he want to shift other people's attention and try to get away from the critize. Yet I think it is a wrong way to do so by this mean. The best way to prove your critizers wrong is to silence them with your performance on the field, not by your mouth, and certainly not by blaming other teammates.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Keano is the captain, and he has earnt the right to criticise by his own high performances - Veron is in no position to blame other players, and injuries, and the managers tactics, and everyone but his own shit self for the abysmal play he produced at times.

Who are these players who weren't disciplined?</strong><hr></blockquote>

So then none of us have the right to criticise constructively any of the other players performances :confused:

IMO Veron does not seem like the player to lay blame on others. The article says;

"Furthermore, he suggests that other players within the camp were worrying more about the World Cup than the club's title run-in."

IT does not QUOTE him as saying the above but says HE suggests it. Come on people, we all know how Journalists twist the truth to suit the GOSSIP loving public, Articles are read, Newpapers Sell and money is made. I think be able to Differentiate Facts from Half-Truths

In the same article he says he was injured and he struggled to get back the Form he showed early in the season, which is TRUE, he knows he had a bad season and wants to show us what he is really Capable of.

Sir Alex Ferguson has faith in him, so shouldn't we. SAF's choices are widley respected amongst all our supporters, BUT last season he did get things Wrong , He changed our system playing
4-4-1-1 and 5-4-1. Scholes was played out of position which really affected his game.
What about his retirement??, it had to have affected the team in one way or another.Anyone remeber Jaap Stam???. At the begining of last season i thought we needed 1 more Defender and to my shock we sold our Best one. Lots of other stuff happened and i think in blaming VERON we are finding an excuse for our poor season.

Veron is part of the Manchester United family, lets get behind him rather than continue this witch hunt that will see him leave. Veron definetly has the class to prove his critics wrong, just give him the chance.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Keano is the captain, and he has earnt the right to criticise by his own high performances - Veron is in no position to blame other players, and injuries, and the managers tactics, and everyone but his own shit self for the abysmal play he produced at times.</strong><hr></blockquote>"At times", just like so many others did pal, so many others.

BTW, do you expect Veron to sit in a corner, cowering away, when everybody is heaping criticism on him?

Feck that!

He's said, countless times, that he performed badly last season and he is looking forward to atoning for it this season; however, the press continually hound him and ask probing questions in order to get an inflamatory quote.

Press - Why do you think everybody blamed you personally for Uniteds lack of success last season?

'For me to be blamed for the lack of success is a joke,' Veron said.

Press - Why were you ineffective in the mid to latter part of the season?

'I had to struggle on with injuries. I came back towards the end of the season in the Champions league matches only 70 per cent fit.

Press - Were your team mates aware of your injury and if so, why did some criticise you?

'This was known by everyone at the club but while I put my own World Cup ambitions in jeopardy by risking further more serious injury, others acted unprofessionally.

Press - What do you mean by acted unprofessionally?

'They picked up a series of suspensions and apparently had the club's best interests in mind, yet I was singled out for criticism.'

Veron, speaking for the first time since Argentina's humiliating exit from the World Cup finals, added: 'The first season at United was so disappointing for a number of reasons.

'I started well but the team's shape was not right. Injuries took a hand and I struggled to regain my early season's form.

'Players were then lost through a lack of discipline in the team. This must be addressed for next season. You cannot allow players to be missing from very important games due to indiscipline.

'We are involved in a professional game and you must adopt professional attitude. You must never allow your emotions to cloud good judgment as some have done at this club.'<hr></blockquote>Of course, I'm merely making a point that you never read the questions that are asked.

Irrelevant to some extent but I'm on his side atm. He played like shit last season, no argument here, but the amount of vitriolic diatribes that have been hurled his way have been ridiculous and it's obvious to me that he's had it with being the sacrificial lamb. I'm glad he made those statements, especially regarding the discipline, it might show Keano that he's not gonna take his shit in the press like some do.

I agree that Keano has the right to make comments in order to fire up the team, however, don't give it if you can't take it.