Veron (again)

Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>Next season's lineup:

Barthez
G. Neville Ayala Brown Silvestre
Becks Veron Keane Giggs
RVN Di Canio</strong><hr></blockquote>

Remind me. How many goals did Di Canio get this season?

If we're talking about bringing in players, let them at least be young.

You seriously think Di Canio would have made a difference last night?

No way, because Arsenal's defence was excellent, as it has been most of the season. With this kind of team the best you can hope for is either a complete off day, or a draw. Even the best team in the world is going to come up against a brick wall and do nowt attacking-wise, so we need a defence to match it.

Give Arsenal some credit please.
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Interesting stat:
WITHOUT VERON:
Pld 11, W 10, D 0, L 1, Pts 30 out of 33 (91%).

WITH VERON:

Pld 26, W 14, D 4, L 8, Pts 46 out of 78 (59%).
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Interesting stat:
WITHOUT VERON:
Pld 11, W 10, D 0, L 1, Pts 30 out of 33 (91%).

WITH VERON:

Pld 26, W 14, D 4, L 8, Pts 46 out of 78 (59%).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ahhhh

But Veron's played against more of the top sides..

Like Bolton..
;)
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Ahhhh

But Veron's played against more of the top sides..


;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

He's played more games and against the top sides, consequently the stats are more likely to be lower which they are. :)
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Just call him Jonny and he'll do the business.
 
Please stop the Veron-witch hunt, it'll do nothing good anyway... :( He's a great player, all know it, but it seems he's struggling to show his talent in in the red shirt... Think he'll be good next season !
 
Errr, I hate to get involved, but I can't help it this time. Personally, I think Veron is the single most talented individual on United. I don't want people to take that wrong, for Keane, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes are all very talented players in their own right, but if all were on form, Veron would shine above the rest. Yet he is a different type of player than United are used to, and its kind of been strange seeing him play this year. Overall, he has been slightly above average I would say, but still, for the quality he possesses, that means he has been relatively poor, albeit not the failure that some have wrongly suggested. For certain, there is an adjustment period, and I think he has gone through that--with difficulty. He has also had some injuries throughout the year which are quite detrimental to one's play--and the fact that he has often been rushed back into the team is a mistake, and the blame falls on Fergie here IMO. He, as with other players on the team, has also been misused positionally, and, much like the other players who have played out of position, has played poorly as a result.

In the end, all of the players must learn how to work together on the pitch, and I think it has taken Veron some time to adapt to how United play. That being said, I think Beckham and Giggs have been greatly less undisciplined this year, and their roaming around the pitch hasn't helped at all. If you look closely, it has even prevented Keane from truly being able to drive United forward--and instead, has resulted in him being much more defensive, which, I might add, he has done brilliantly. However, Keane's CM partner, be it Veron and Scholes has often suffered as a result of these inward runs, and were all of United's players to retain much more discipline, the team as a whole would be much better off.
 
Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>Errr, I hate to get involved, but I can't help it this time. Personally, I think Veron is the single most talented individual on United. I don't want people to take that wrong, for Keane, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes are all very talented players in their own right, but if all were on form, Veron would shine above the rest. Yet he is a different type of player than United are used to, and its kind of been strange seeing him play this year. Overall, he has been slightly above average I would say, but still, for the quality he possesses, that means he has been relatively poor, albeit not the failure that some have wrongly suggested. For certain, there is an adjustment period, and I think he has gone through that--with difficulty. He has also had some injuries throughout the year which are quite detrimental to one's play--and the fact that he has often been rushed back into the team is a mistake, and the blame falls on Fergie here IMO. He, as with other players on the team, has also been misused positionally, and, much like the other players who have played out of position, has played poorly as a result.

In the end, all of the players must learn how to work together on the pitch, and I think it has taken Veron some time to adapt to how United play. That being said, I think Beckham and Giggs have been greatly less undisciplined this year, and their roaming around the pitch hasn't helped at all. If you look closely, it has even prevented Keane from truly being able to drive United forward--and instead, has resulted in him being much more defensive, which, I might add, he has done brilliantly. However, Keane's CM partner, be it Veron and Scholes has often suffered as a result of these inward runs, and were all of United's players to retain much more discipline, the team as a whole would be much better off.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's actually a deliberate style that Alex has been trying to create, and bought Veron to do. He thought we were too predictable and has tried to rectify that by having players making more runs, not playing in their expected positions - he's tried to make the opposing manager's job harder. The problem is that it has backfired, players need to where they are playing and feel familiar with it, the more familiar they are the better they play - that's why we played so well, when we brought the fledglings through they had all played with each other before. The other problem is that it leads to not just chaos (unpredictability) going forwards, but disorganisation defensively too. Sometimes Veron or Beckham will have moved over to the left flank, and lose the ball, which promptly gets fed to our right flank to exploit the space left behind. Bayern have done well with an organised system, and Real don't vary their positions much, so I really don't see why we should either.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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That's actually a deliberate style that Alex has been trying to create, and bought Veron to do. He thought we were too predictable and has tried to rectify that by having players making more runs, not playing in their expected positions - he's tried to make the opposing manager's job harder. The problem is that it has backfired, players need to where they are playing and feel familiar with it, the more familiar they are the better they play - that's why we played so well, when we brought the fledglings through they had all played with each other before. The other problem is that it leads to not just chaos (unpredictability) going forwards, but disorganisation defensively too. Sometimes Veron or Beckham will have moved over to the left flank, and lose the ball, which promptly gets fed to our right flank to exploit the space left behind. Bayern have done well with an organised system, and Real don't vary their positions much, so I really don't see why we should either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The 5 midfield system, suggested previously by JSV would be incredibly effective if the players were more tactically disciplined. We brought in Veron to add more creativity in the midfield, and I think he would have been much more effective had Beckham or Giggs continued to play the way they had before. What they accomplished was to take away their traditional threat and at the same time nullify the new threat that would have been posed by Veron. In effect, United often neutralized themselves by limiting their own options. This had its effect on the entire team for sure. Silvestre and Gary were often forced to move forward to provide any sense of width. This is crazy, as Beckham and Giggs should provide the width, and if United need Silvestre and Gary up there to do so, then we can be caught out in the back which is often what happened.
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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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The 5 midfield system, suggested previously by JSV would be incredibly effective if the players were more tactically disciplined. We brought in Veron to add more creativity in the midfield, and I think he would have been much more effective had Beckham or Giggs continued to play the way they had before. What they accomplished was to take away their traditional threat and at the same time nullify the new threat that would have been posed by Veron. In effect, United often neutralized themselves by limiting their own options. This had its effect on the entire team for sure. Silvestre and Gary were often forced to move forward to provide any sense of width. This is crazy, as Beckham and Giggs should provide the width, and if United need Silvestre and Gary up there to do so, then we can be caught out in the back which is often what happened.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly, but I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be Becks and Giggsy's choice to play like that - they do what they're told.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Exactly, but I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be Becks and Giggsy's choice to play like that - they do what they're told.</strong><hr></blockquote>

True.
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I think he's the best player in the world as he has so often proved this season

I say give him a little more time to settle, bout 5 years should be enough

Then sell him back to Italy for his real worth, about 47 quid should cover it
 
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