Originally posted by tareq abd albari:
<strong>F we r to stand any chance of winning something this season, Veron should be dropped, Scholes' work rate & contribution r untouchable.
& my opinion is not based on one match, Veron failed to impress n many many matches this season n the league & n the CL.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But earlier in the season people (probably you included) were slagging off Scholes for poor form, now he is our saviour and people are also talking about bringing back Dwight Yorke.
It seems nothing can ever be right at the good ship "Man Utd", maybe it is time to jump ship?
Veron again & again & again
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Precisely. Some of the naive ones here seem to think all-out attack is the best policy - there are times when we have to grind out 1-0 wins and not just against the likes of Deportivo and Barca.
A balanced side is what is needed, something we had in our treble season and which we do not have now.
Fergie has his work cut out for him this summer especially after spending almost 50 million quid and we seem to have backslided. I hope he has no hesitation to do radical overhauls if need be, this is not the time to be sentimental, objectivity is the rule here.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was wrong, Sorry
Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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I remember it well and was wondering when someone might bring this up
I wrote, after the Arsenal game, i did not think that Barthez was entirely to blame!!
The reason being that all the defenders had turned their back on him and were walking away from the edge of the area however the Arse forwards were still facing Barthez incase he fked up
There's a slight differance
ok...
when veron made the mistake, Blanc was out of postion...
(pointed out by ITV
All in all yesterdays loss was all Keano's fault.How dare he be injured, what a let down to the team he is. I reckon we should sell him now and outbid anyone for Bowyer.
For fecks sake basically the whole team played like shite, tell u what lets sell em all cause all through the season if you read back through all the posts we should have gotten rid of all the team at one stage or the other and that includes Fergie.
I can just read it now if we win nothing," Get rid of Fergie" what has he ever done for us. fecking bandwaggoners
For fecks sake basically the whole team played like shite, tell u what lets sell em all cause all through the season if you read back through all the posts we should have gotten rid of all the team at one stage or the other and that includes Fergie.
I can just read it now if we win nothing," Get rid of Fergie" what has he ever done for us. fecking bandwaggoners
Originally posted by giggzy:
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ok...
when veron made the mistake, Blanc was out of postion...
(pointed out by ITV
Blanc Was our best player against Boro, Veron was the second worst after Forlan Full stop.
<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Originally posted by ukbob:
<strong>All in all yesterdays loss was all Keano's fault.How dare he be injured, what a let down to the team he is. I reckon we should sell him now and outbid anyone for Bowyer.
For fecks sake basically the whole team played like shite, tell u what lets sell em all cause all through the season if you read back through all the posts we should have gotten rid of all the team at one stage or the other and that includes Fergie.
I can just read it now if we win nothing," Get rid of Fergie" what has he ever done for us. fecking bandwaggoners
Post of the day
Here we go again.
Real fans don't offer their opinions on what's wrong, players form etc.
But real fans can bandy all the big foreign names about when they're doing their fantasy United sides.
Spot the glory-seekers. (aka hypocrites).
Real fans don't offer their opinions on what's wrong, players form etc.
But real fans can bandy all the big foreign names about when they're doing their fantasy United sides.
Spot the glory-seekers. (aka hypocrites).
We lost end of story.Doesn`t happen very often.Don`t blame any body,no ones fault.Just get on with the next game and win it.
One thing I can say is Veron,Forlan are new to the team and I feel haven`t stelled in yet.
If thats any excuse.
Yeah I know RVN has stelled in but he is European,so i`ll let him off.
One thing I can say is Veron,Forlan are new to the team and I feel haven`t stelled in yet.
If thats any excuse.
Yeah I know RVN has stelled in but he is European,so i`ll let him off.
Just thought i'd add my two cents to this discussion.This isn't my first time posting my thoughts on Veron,in my opinion he doesn't fit in with the team and the football they play.
How many time have we seen him lose the ball or give it away stupidly to the opposition when he had plenty of time to pass it to one of his own players and refuse point blank to go after it and win it back? He expects the team to do all the work for him and just turn up to receive the glory.
Some say that he is singled out because he is new and that he has only made "small" mistakes and granted they were mistakes but these "small" mistakes have cost us BIG. One of you pointed out that Roy Keane made mistakes that cost us the CL and no one called for him to be fired but the main difference between Keanes mistakes and Verons are that Keane has learned from his and has not repeated them unlike Veron who is to arrogant to realise his and continues to make them week in week out. And besides Keane didn't cost 28 MILLION!
Someone else said that he should either be sold or the team should be built around him,i can't believe someone could say that as we saw what building the team around him did for them at the start of the season in that stupid 4 5 1 formation! Continuous losses.
In my opinion they should cut their losses and sell him,They had no problem getting rid of reserves that no longer fitted in with the needs of the TEAM so why should Veron be any different. This is a team sport not an individual one and no one person deserves special treatment regardless of who they are or how long or short thay've been at the club.
How many time have we seen him lose the ball or give it away stupidly to the opposition when he had plenty of time to pass it to one of his own players and refuse point blank to go after it and win it back? He expects the team to do all the work for him and just turn up to receive the glory.
Some say that he is singled out because he is new and that he has only made "small" mistakes and granted they were mistakes but these "small" mistakes have cost us BIG. One of you pointed out that Roy Keane made mistakes that cost us the CL and no one called for him to be fired but the main difference between Keanes mistakes and Verons are that Keane has learned from his and has not repeated them unlike Veron who is to arrogant to realise his and continues to make them week in week out. And besides Keane didn't cost 28 MILLION!
Someone else said that he should either be sold or the team should be built around him,i can't believe someone could say that as we saw what building the team around him did for them at the start of the season in that stupid 4 5 1 formation! Continuous losses.
In my opinion they should cut their losses and sell him,They had no problem getting rid of reserves that no longer fitted in with the needs of the TEAM so why should Veron be any different. This is a team sport not an individual one and no one person deserves special treatment regardless of who they are or how long or short thay've been at the club.
I don't understand, do we have to agree on everything here ? I thought exchanging thoughts & ideas is what this forum is all about....denying some members here the right to criticise Veron or Barthez or Yorke or the 4-5-1 formation is totally unacceptable.
& about jumping out of the ship, i'd like to make something clear, perhaps i haven't been to OT b4, perhaps i'm not from Manchester,,,,,But what i'm quite sure of is that if United played n the Nationwide, or n the V conference i'll continue supporting them.
& about jumping out of the ship, i'd like to make something clear, perhaps i haven't been to OT b4, perhaps i'm not from Manchester,,,,,But what i'm quite sure of is that if United played n the Nationwide, or n the V conference i'll continue supporting them.
What so confusing? The forums are here so people can give their opinion you on a topic if thay want. Its up to each person to either agree or disagree with what ever topic they are reading and up to everyone else to respect it even though they might disagree with it. That said, if that person then wishs to say they disagree with it they can also.And yes you do have the right to give your opinion on any player wheither it be good or bad.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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ok...
when veron made the mistake, Blanc was out of postion...
(pointed out by ITV
Whatever you want Cocker
If you think Blanc was at fault, go ahead and explain why
Probably cos everybody is out of position when a fukin idiot fecks up on the spur of the moment
Manc cnut
greetings jedi....calm yourselves, it's not over yet...just the way we like it, with our back against the wall....can't really see the scousers winning it, would be a real step backwards for english football if they do...thing is, just can't rely on chelsea to do a job can you <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ....funny thing is, up to the boro game, jedi master had doubts about about our title chances, but after the boro game, jedi
master will stake own lightsaber on us winning the league, anyone up fot it <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> ....think we'll just nick on the last day....so veron screwed up big time,he's prone to that...once a season .....come on guys the whole team played horridly....giggs and forlan missed gilt edged chances...which brings jedi master to next point...that forlan bloke up front is worrying....he's got bags of speed and skill, but his finishinig just isn't the up to the mark yet....maybe grand master should think of using him as back-up for giggs, forlan would be great in a winger's role....maybe, just maybe, inadvertently we've found the answer to giggs' successor....ahh well, the race is on, sit back folks... blinding is it going to be!!! and let's get keano back, don't care if he has to play on crutches, we bloody need him <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> !!!
master will stake own lightsaber on us winning the league, anyone up fot it <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> ....think we'll just nick on the last day....so veron screwed up big time,he's prone to that...once a season
.....come on guys the whole team played horridly....giggs and forlan missed gilt edged chances...which brings jedi master to next point...that forlan bloke up front is worrying....he's got bags of speed and skill, but his finishinig just isn't the up to the mark yet....maybe grand master should think of using him as back-up for giggs, forlan would be great in a winger's role....maybe, just maybe, inadvertently we've found the answer to giggs' successor....ahh well, the race is on, sit back folks... blinding is it going to be!!! and let's get keano back, don't care if he has to play on crutches, we bloody need him <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> !!!I like Veron, i think he has class and I think he is a great midfielder.
But he should not be in our team. He slows us down, and commits blunder after blunder.
Think about it. Keane would normally receive the ball in that position, and he would NEVER give the ball away like that.
Yes, we failed to score. But conceding a goal so badly at home in the first 10 minutes allowed a defensively minded team to sit back for the next 80 minutes. Good lord, they almost scored on the break a couple times as well!
Let's be honest, that defeat has probably cost us the title. its questionable whether we could have picked up maximum points from the next 6 matches anyway, but there is no chance that both liverpool and arsenal will drop (five!) more points that us, given their run-ins.
Remember when Fortune committed that error against Valencia, that almost knocked us out of Europe, last season? AS it turned out, we still progressed to the QFs, yet Fergie sat him for the next six months... Veron's error could quite easily cost us the title. Time for him to sit for 6 months at OT, or return to slow-paced Serie A.
Enough is enough.
But he should not be in our team. He slows us down, and commits blunder after blunder.
Think about it. Keane would normally receive the ball in that position, and he would NEVER give the ball away like that.
Yes, we failed to score. But conceding a goal so badly at home in the first 10 minutes allowed a defensively minded team to sit back for the next 80 minutes. Good lord, they almost scored on the break a couple times as well!
Let's be honest, that defeat has probably cost us the title. its questionable whether we could have picked up maximum points from the next 6 matches anyway, but there is no chance that both liverpool and arsenal will drop (five!) more points that us, given their run-ins.
Remember when Fortune committed that error against Valencia, that almost knocked us out of Europe, last season? AS it turned out, we still progressed to the QFs, yet Fergie sat him for the next six months... Veron's error could quite easily cost us the title. Time for him to sit for 6 months at OT, or return to slow-paced Serie A.
Enough is enough.
The simple truth is that Veron is not performing to the level we should expect from him. It is not just the mistake he made against boro, this has been going on most of the season. He seems slow, and cumbersome. He has not justified his £28 million price tag at all. But fingers crossed he will start to come good in the final run-in for the champions league. We all know what he is capable of, but the truth is that he has performed well below average relative to his ability. And no one can argue with that.
just came across this article
<a href="http://manchesterunited.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=891&p=2&stid=8247565" target="_blank">Veron-Why</a>
makes quite an interesting read and must say jedi master is compelled to agree, very astute observation, what do other jedi say, hmmmm
for those who prefer the article here :
McIlvanney On Veron
Fergie's mate, respected journalist Hugh McIlvanney, had this to say about Veron yesterday. "This writer doesn't harbour any doubts about the Argentine's brilliance as an aggressive midfielder, which would be an admission of blindness or stupidity.
"The uncertainty in my mind concerns the issue of how effective Veron's gifts can be integrated into the playing methods that have made United so thrillingly successful in the past decade.
"They have generally sought to overwhelm opponents with the high-tempo precision and cumulative rhythm of their attacking, whereas he is so wedded to a less persistently urgent style - frequently drifting rather languidly in search of a single killer pass - that sometimes there is the impression that the others have to brake and look around to see what he is doing.
"The problem is compounded when his frequently inspired attempts at incisive subtlety go wrong and possession is surrendered at a point when United are pouring forward, since he is far from a pillar of defensive commitment."
<a href="http://manchesterunited.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=891&p=2&stid=8247565" target="_blank">Veron-Why</a>
makes quite an interesting read and must say jedi master is compelled to agree, very astute observation, what do other jedi say, hmmmm
for those who prefer the article here :
McIlvanney On Veron
Fergie's mate, respected journalist Hugh McIlvanney, had this to say about Veron yesterday. "This writer doesn't harbour any doubts about the Argentine's brilliance as an aggressive midfielder, which would be an admission of blindness or stupidity.
"The uncertainty in my mind concerns the issue of how effective Veron's gifts can be integrated into the playing methods that have made United so thrillingly successful in the past decade.
"They have generally sought to overwhelm opponents with the high-tempo precision and cumulative rhythm of their attacking, whereas he is so wedded to a less persistently urgent style - frequently drifting rather languidly in search of a single killer pass - that sometimes there is the impression that the others have to brake and look around to see what he is doing.
"The problem is compounded when his frequently inspired attempts at incisive subtlety go wrong and possession is surrendered at a point when United are pouring forward, since he is far from a pillar of defensive commitment."
Yeah it's good and right IMO
Good job you bought him then eh?
hello sith apprentice davo....greetings but stay the hell out of this will you...jedi are soul searching here, have you no heart man!!
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
<strong>hello sith apprentice davo....greetings but stay the hell out of this will you...jedi are soul searching here, have you no heart man!!
No heart?
Are you still talking about Veron?
urrrmmm, kinda slow today aren't you...yes we are ALL still talking bout VERON...after all the thread's titled Veron again & again & again ...btw, why aren't you gloating bout your Vladiator, good one that <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
<strong>urrrmmm, kinda slow today aren't you...yes we are ALL still talking bout VERON...after all the thread's titled Veron again & again & again ...btw, why aren't you gloating bout your Vladiator, good one that <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I notice loads of people seem to be saying that he's shit..
Why's that then?
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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three words....scouse type imbeciles!!! just don't know a gem when they see one....ohhh go on, gloat about Vlad the Conquerer...we bloody need somebody to digress here...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not a gloater mate..
Apart from when it comes to Veron...
The biggest waste of cash in PL history..
Tho I'm sure he'll come good..
ah shit...my 100th post and it's a reply to a scouser...bloody typical....and i'm actually asking you to gloat about smicer...how much worse can it get eh?!
ahh words of comfort....yes he will come good...take it no sarcasm was involved....how noble of you sith
ahh words of comfort....yes he will come good...take it no sarcasm was involved....how noble of you sith
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
<strong>ah shit...my 100th post and it's a reply to a scouser...bloody typical....and i'm actually asking you to gloat about smicer...how much worse can it get eh?!
ahh words of comfort....yes he will come good...take it no sarcasm was involved....how noble of you sith</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nahh I was only joking..
His best OT days are behind him, blink and you've missed em..
feckin rubbish
I dont understand about Veron!
He seem to be playing in a more defensive role lately.
He is not getting forward! He should play behind the 2 strikers! He is just weird...how disappointing...
He seem to be playing in a more defensive role lately.
He is not getting forward! He should play behind the 2 strikers! He is just weird...how disappointing...
Originally posted by Davo:
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I'm not a gloater mate..
Apart from when it comes to Veron...
The biggest waste of cash in PL history..
Tho I'm sure he'll come good..
Still talking about veron?
Shut up cnut! <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Originally posted by Davo:
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I'm not a gloater mate..
Apart from when it comes to Veron...
The biggest waste of cash in PL history..
Tho I'm sure he'll come good..
Another season should determine whether he's a waste of cash.
Think Pires. And to some extent J.P.Angel.