I want Scholes to start every game 4 us until the season ends, besides Keane Beckham & Giggs,,,Give Veron some vacation or something,,,he is not better than Scholes.
Veron again & again & again
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His current role seems to be a sub-standard version of Scholes.
I think the choice for SAF is simple. Either build the team around Veron or cash in your chips and send him back to Serie A.
We're trying to achieve a half way house here and great players don't compromise.
I think the choice for SAF is simple. Either build the team around Veron or cash in your chips and send him back to Serie A.
We're trying to achieve a half way house here and great players don't compromise.
yep, he made a mistake...but we should be scoring plenty of goals at HOME against teams like Boro.....
Agreed. Scholes is our most underrated midfielder if not player. The ball moves smartly through him while Veron tends to hang on to the ball a little too long unless he makes a back or lateral pass.
It seems to me that Paul Scholes deserves an appology. He made the scap goat of our CL exits. So we got a 'creative' midfielder in Veron. And what has he done but stroll and cough up the ball in between signs of brilliance that have beeen too far in between. We needed a Zidane type player who could play the AM/ 2nd striker role and should have left PAul Scholes alone. All is not lost, but our backs are against the wall.
It seems to me that Paul Scholes deserves an appology. He made the scap goat of our CL exits. So we got a 'creative' midfielder in Veron. And what has he done but stroll and cough up the ball in between signs of brilliance that have beeen too far in between. We needed a Zidane type player who could play the AM/ 2nd striker role and should have left PAul Scholes alone. All is not lost, but our backs are against the wall.
'Boro defensively are no pushovers, as they proved against us already in the cup. And they've given us a game at OT several times in recent years.
Speaking as one who resists every passing Barthez and Gary Neville 'knockers bandwagon', I wouldn't slag any of the lads for an honest mistake - I just ask that they win us ten points for every one they cost us.
But today SAF took his £28m man off as a tactic to try to get back into the game - and I thought that said it all.
Although I would have gone three at the back much earlier and left Veron on to win the game for us.
(We rarely fail to score, or concede a goal, when we go three at the back - don't understand why SAF doesn't do it more often. )
Speaking as one who resists every passing Barthez and Gary Neville 'knockers bandwagon', I wouldn't slag any of the lads for an honest mistake - I just ask that they win us ten points for every one they cost us.
But today SAF took his £28m man off as a tactic to try to get back into the game - and I thought that said it all.
Although I would have gone three at the back much earlier and left Veron on to win the game for us.(We rarely fail to score, or concede a goal, when we go three at the back - don't understand why SAF doesn't do it more often.
)SAF has been reading the Davo book of football tactics. Focusing on the chapter "how to get back into a match". There was a time when Fergie would have put on a third striker. Oh! But wait! We didn't have a third striker on the bench. He's playing for the reserves. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Every game has to have a scapegoat now, it's pathetic <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
I okay Veron. The goal wasn't your fault. What is he made of teflon and can't be singled out for a horrible blunder! If it had been Gary Neville or Silvstre, do you think they would have as many defenders as Veron has had if they had made that blunder. The point is Veron gets dispossed time and time again because of his lack of sharpness. That's what's inexcusable. He has to be in the match for the full 90+ minutes.
Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
<strong>(We rarely fail to score, or concede a goal, when we go three at the back - don't understand why SAF doesn't do it more often.
I remmember we seldom ever played three at the back? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Regarding any calls for Yorkie to come back to the first team as a solution at this point - don`t even think about it! If he is not prepared to use reserves football to show what he is made of and how he desires a return to the first team, he does NOT deserve first team football.
I trust Fergie will do the thing he need to do in the summer -- he has three more years to go and he will not let us drop down. Don't need to worry about those naive ones, for they will just follow everything Fergie do. If Fergie buy two new defenders in the summer, I can bet that those people will immediately change their words and say, "Great job! I always think we must improve our team! Another masterpiece from Fergie the god!" If Fergie sell Veron in the summer, don't be surprised if those naive ones who said Veron was great will return and said how poor was Veron in this season. Stam is already a good example of this.
YES!!!! lets all blame Veron for our entire teams failure to break down an organised defence for about the 10th time this season. Dippers, Chelsea, Boro, Bayern, Arsenal.
It must be all his fault. Who else is there to blame.
Maybe we just aren't good enough this year. Let's just get behind the team we all claim to love and ride through this 'rough' period with positive feelings. We've had win nothing seasons before and come very good the next year.
We can't win it every year FFS. We're not out of it yet anyway. Though I accept the mountainm just grew to Everest proportions.
It must be all his fault. Who else is there to blame.
Maybe we just aren't good enough this year. Let's just get behind the team we all claim to love and ride through this 'rough' period with positive feelings. We've had win nothing seasons before and come very good the next year.
We can't win it every year FFS. We're not out of it yet anyway. Though I accept the mountainm just grew to Everest proportions.
Stop blaming VERON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only Veron is wrong
Against BORO is al team were wrong
From Beckham by Van Nistelrooy
Nicky Butt is shit also.
Veron and Zidane are best midfielders in world!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only Veron is wrong
Against BORO is al team were wrong
From Beckham by Van Nistelrooy
Nicky Butt is shit also.
Veron and Zidane are best midfielders in world!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Van Man:
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Nicky Butt is shit also.
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You know, what can you say to posts like that?
(remember, there may be children reading
Originally posted by Van Man:
<strong>Stop blaming VERON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only Veron is wrong
Against BORO is al team were wrong
From Beckham by Van Nistelrooy
Nicky Butt is shit also.
Veron and Zidane are best midfielders in world!!!!!!!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Great post, is it your last one ever?
You right about all those points
The real topic of debate developed today into whether it was out of order to come on here and talk about a player / players at fault
I think it's perfectly justified, dont you?
The real topic of debate developed today into whether it was out of order to come on here and talk about a player / players at fault
I think it's perfectly justified, dont you?
Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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Yeah of course
People are allowed to their opinion and are allowed to express there views about players in this designated forum
This is what is known in the real world as debate, i happen to think Paul Ince is a great bloke but am happy to listen to his knockers that once adored the fellow, do you hear me yelling "Turncoats" very often?
Commenting on players performances whether good or bad is surely what it's all about. If you're quite happy with certain players feckin things up then that's well and good, if it doesn't bother you that much that they feck up then perhaps you dont want what some of the other posters want for the team
Not everybody wears rose tinted glasses and we certainly dont share each others views, but at the end of the day we want the same thing and have a right to express our opinion regarding overpaid underperforming sport stars
You think JV's performance was great yesterday, fine, go ahead and say so. You think all is in order every week, great, let us know why many people dont think so
Your idea of what the perfect fan should be like or look like are not quite what people / fans are really like, so let others voice their opinion and stop whinging about it.
You've voiced your opinion on this player many timesand it's unfortunate that not everyone agrees with you but if no-one complained about feck all once in a while then it would become a very stagnent place indeed</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perfect!
Originally posted by Van Man:
<strong>Stop blaming VERON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only Veron is wrong
Against BORO is al team were wrong
From Beckham by Van Nistelrooy
Nicky Butt is shit also.
Veron and Zidane are best midfielders in world!!!!!!!!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
the words prize prick come into mind
muppet
have u all forgotten about the time a few seasons ago in the champions league where keano made two silly mistakes and let fiorentina beat us? i sure can't remeber anyone wanting him to be sold.
get behind the bloody team, or maybe u should go and support arsenal cause they have a good chance of winning the league.
get behind the bloody team, or maybe u should go and support arsenal cause they have a good chance of winning the league.
Originally posted by barca1999:
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So everyone is allowed to pass comment on players, but not allowed to pass comment that people shouldn't be slagging off players?</strong><hr></blockquote>
So everyone is allowed to pass comment that people shouldn't be slagging off people for slagging off players, but not allowed to pass comment that people shouldn't slag people off for slagging them off for slagging off players?
Mu lost 1-0 , how do they "steal" those games. Mu's last three losses have been 1-0. without jsv mistake MU still don't score! so MU lose 3 instead of 2. too many games have gone by to blame anyone for any loss.
as for butt being s@@t- he was the best of the Mu midf. yesterday! crappy finishing did MU in. giggsy and rvn missed the frame too often to get a win from that game. if the team puts two on frame in 90 mins. it's gonna be a long day at OT.
as for butt being s@@t- he was the best of the Mu midf. yesterday! crappy finishing did MU in. giggsy and rvn missed the frame too often to get a win from that game. if the team puts two on frame in 90 mins. it's gonna be a long day at OT.
Having only seen the highlights of this game, it looked like we had a few chances to score, but it just wasn't our day, you get days like that, when FA goes right.Normally we can play through these spells and still be good enough to win games, because we have the best players, including Veron, who can turn games with one bit of something special.Yesterday it just didn't happen, and sure Veron was caught out and made the error, but we expect Giggs to score from the positions he created for himself, and RVN.
You can single out players for making errors, but yesterday the whole team just wasn't good enough, for whatever reason.This is surely the time to back the whole team, I am sure Liverpool won't be top for long, them and Arsenal will drop points as well.All is not lost, mark my (perhaps famous last) words.
You can single out players for making errors, but yesterday the whole team just wasn't good enough, for whatever reason.This is surely the time to back the whole team, I am sure Liverpool won't be top for long, them and Arsenal will drop points as well.All is not lost, mark my (perhaps famous last) words.
Originally posted by mlclauhk:
<strong>have u all forgotten about the time a few seasons ago in the champions league where keano made two silly mistakes and let fiorentina beat us? i sure can't remeber anyone wanting him to be sold.
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That was Real Madrid, and yes, there were muppets slagging him off for it
Originally posted by charlie's devils:
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So everyone is allowed to pass comment that people shouldn't be slagging off people for slagging off players, but not allowed to pass comment that people shouldn't slag people off for slagging them off for slagging off players?
Now I'm confused
Their goal was Veron's fault, I don't recall a significant contribution made by him n the 60 minutes he played.
Against Westham Veron was dropped, United played some great great football,,Scholes & Beckham n particuler.....shall i say more....
Running the midfield n a sunny afternoon against misrable Everton side back n August is one thing, & unlocking the defences of teams playing with 8 defenders is another thing.
F we r to stand any chance of winning something this season, Veron should be dropped, Scholes' work rate & contribution r untouchable.
& my opinion is not based on one match, Veron failed to impress n many many matches this season n the league & n the CL.
Against Westham Veron was dropped, United played some great great football,,Scholes & Beckham n particuler.....shall i say more....
Running the midfield n a sunny afternoon against misrable Everton side back n August is one thing, & unlocking the defences of teams playing with 8 defenders is another thing.
F we r to stand any chance of winning something this season, Veron should be dropped, Scholes' work rate & contribution r untouchable.
& my opinion is not based on one match, Veron failed to impress n many many matches this season n the league & n the CL.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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i can recall that you stuck up for FAb after his mistakes against Arsenal... surely the same should apply in Seba's case??</strong><hr></blockquote>
I remember it well and was wondering when someone might bring this up
I wrote, after the Arsenal game, i did not think that Barthez was entirely to blame!!
The reason being that all the defenders had turned their back on him and were walking away from the edge of the area however the Arse forwards were still facing Barthez incase he fked up
There's a slight differance
I have also not persistantly slagged Veron although i have questioned his commitment to the club which by Barca's accounts has been fully justified if he does indeed feck off in the summer.
Yesterday i say he was at fault 100%, not for the shortcomings of the forwards but for that goal
Hope that's clear for you young man
What do i care, i'm West Ham anyway