Originally posted by Cockneyred:
<strong> Oh shit another ponce.!!</strong><hr></blockquote>Fack orf sarthern boy.
But he is more of an attacking player than he has ever shown us...
He has skill.... Listen to me.
He just needs to use it.
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I agree with you cockney boy
Originally posted by ukbob:
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I agree with you cockney boy
At last, he agrees!
Fack orf sarthern boy. <hr></blockquote>
yeah, feck off yerself. Northern twat.
Stop abusing this Thread.
It was a perfectly good debate going on before you 2 came along.
Go and take over the Lazio thread or summink.
It was a perfectly good debate going on before you 2 came along.
Go and take over the Lazio thread or summink.
i hate you all.
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Ah well thats that. Goodnight all, its late and I have to go to bed. Get back to work Weastie
Originally posted by Cockneyred:
<strong>Ah well thats that. Goodnight all, its late and I have to go to bed. Get back to work Weastie
Nobody is calling me, so I have to put up with you! <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
I cant beleive a shit topic like this got over 50 posts.
And my FAO Dejavu only got 9!!
And my FAO Dejavu only got 9!!
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>I cant beleive a shit topic like this got over 50 posts.
And my FAO Dejavu only got 9!!
Nowt wrong with the topic, you've just got a shit brain!
And what could you do with that Dejavu topic but:
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Then again, you tried that with this one! <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Let's leave this for the day people shall we? It will go dead anyway because they spend most of their time in the general and transfer forum!
Cnuts!
Cnuts!
itl go dead cos its a shite topic with no substance.
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>itl go dead cos its a shite topic with no substance.
Bollocks!
I completely agree that Veron was bought to make us less predictable, for his range of passing and that both 'sides' - the team and Veron - will learn to adapt to each other in a new formation which I thought worked fairly well in Europe. But wasn't Fergie interested in Viera too? (almost got him by all accounts )
How would Viera have made us less predictable ( as Veron will) and which one would Fergie have preferred?
How would Viera have made us less predictable ( as Veron will) and which one would Fergie have preferred?
This is probably too simplistic a view - but any world class player should surely be able to adapt to any system, and still be world class?
i agree.
Veron is a class player and initially at the start of season, you could see him initiating the moves, those great through passes etc. and when his one-touch football heated up, the Man Utd players couldn't react. They don't think like Veron, becoz he thinks in a very different style. More like a South American samba.
Well, so perhaps Fergie brought in Queroz this season to train the Man Utd lads to suit a certain new Samba - European football. and if it turns out well, then i have nothing to say for Fergie. Man, he's a genius.
First half, European/English tight defence. 2
Second half, South American/Argentinian attack. And mabbe, if Rivaldo comes in as a surprise package, who knows, Rivaldo and Veron partnership.... the South American way..
Veron is a class player and initially at the start of season, you could see him initiating the moves, those great through passes etc. and when his one-touch football heated up, the Man Utd players couldn't react. They don't think like Veron, becoz he thinks in a very different style. More like a South American samba.
Well, so perhaps Fergie brought in Queroz this season to train the Man Utd lads to suit a certain new Samba - European football. and if it turns out well, then i have nothing to say for Fergie. Man, he's a genius.
First half, European/English tight defence. 2
Second half, South American/Argentinian attack. And mabbe, if Rivaldo comes in as a surprise package, who knows, Rivaldo and Veron partnership.... the South American way..
Veron did`t play well in most of the games last season. Hope this changes this season and he comes for good. But if not United will live without him and win things like we did in the past. To suggest that the the whole team should change their game, including worldclass players like keano, giggs or becks who have won much more in their career than veron, to make one player happy is laughable. It´s veron who has to change his game imo.
I agree that becks and giggs should mainly stay on their side, but modern football is also about movement and changing positions, i.e. if becks is moving inside at times he not so predictable and is able to score more goals, as he did this season. In such a case it`s verons duty to change positions and go wide (something that worked well in the england team between gerrad and becks). He can`t expect only to stand in the center circle, looking for the one great pass and let the other players work and run. That won`t work imo.
I agree that becks and giggs should mainly stay on their side, but modern football is also about movement and changing positions, i.e. if becks is moving inside at times he not so predictable and is able to score more goals, as he did this season. In such a case it`s verons duty to change positions and go wide (something that worked well in the england team between gerrad and becks). He can`t expect only to stand in the center circle, looking for the one great pass and let the other players work and run. That won`t work imo.
This is NOT a shit topic - it`s a typically well thought out argument by WeasteDevil.
I became fed up with the headhunting of Veron last season. Sure, he made a few noticeable mistakes but what the hell were the other 10 players on the pitch doing for 90 minutes?
There were a number of mediocre performances from experienced players who should have done a lot more and if they had produced the goods, Manchester United would have been champions again.
Some people forget that Steve Mac was sorely missed. He provided that perceptive and critical second opinion that Sir Alex needed last season.
This will be a vital season for Veron but if other players start performing as they should, Seba will have the support to work his magic. I am looking forward to it!
I became fed up with the headhunting of Veron last season. Sure, he made a few noticeable mistakes but what the hell were the other 10 players on the pitch doing for 90 minutes?
There were a number of mediocre performances from experienced players who should have done a lot more and if they had produced the goods, Manchester United would have been champions again.
Some people forget that Steve Mac was sorely missed. He provided that perceptive and critical second opinion that Sir Alex needed last season.
This will be a vital season for Veron but if other players start performing as they should, Seba will have the support to work his magic. I am looking forward to it!
Veron first of all who is an individual with amzing talent. The simple truth of the matter is that if we are going to blame the individual then why support the team. Sure is might have been his pass, but what did the team do after the event, did we up the tempo did we chase the game. Why not try and support the individual and accept that we do make mistakes.
The person who makes the decisions regarding team foramtion is Sir Alex Ferguson and no-one else. Even if you have an idea regarding formation I think you should keep it to yourself.
Let's support the team and stop this Veron witch hunt.
The person who makes the decisions regarding team foramtion is Sir Alex Ferguson and no-one else. Even if you have an idea regarding formation I think you should keep it to yourself.
Let's support the team and stop this Veron witch hunt.
one question: Nearly all of you start your posts with "Verons an amazing talent" or "Veron has this or that" and then most of you go on and slate him. Make up your minds <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
That's why I started all of this by saying
Veron adapting to the team will benefit no one, least of all, the shareholders
like i said in another thread, we didn't pay 28m to buy another Nicky Butt (no offence to Nicky) <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
if the rest of the lot understand his play and anticipate his vision, they'll develop as individual players and the side will see a lot of previously impenetrable defences unlocked without too much fuss
but first, Seba's got to find some FORM!
like i said in another thread, we didn't pay 28m to buy another Nicky Butt (no offence to Nicky) <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
if the rest of the lot understand his play and anticipate his vision, they'll develop as individual players and the side will see a lot of previously impenetrable defences unlocked without too much fuss
but first, Seba's got to find some FORM!
Back to the main topic, I'd agree with you that Veron is brought in for something special. Like Fergie once mentioned, only Veron would try some things in his own penalty box. It's part of his character traits, juz like keano slamming into referees and getting the odd expulsion <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
It's just a matter of time before Veron shows his worth. Let's just hope it's this coming season.
It's just a matter of time before Veron shows his worth. Let's just hope it's this coming season.
Originally posted by phunky:
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It's just a matter of time before Veron shows his worth. Let's just hope it's this coming season.
Unfortunately, time is infinite.
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Originally posted by phunky:
only Veron would try some things in his own penalty box
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think that was Larry, mate
Originally posted by radd:
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think that was Larry, mate
okie. how about " near his own penalty box.."
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Unfortunately, time is infinite.
Not his contract though~